How the Democratic Party opposes Christian Principles

[mpok1519]

No Christian should support AN Y political party because that party panders to the tastes and likings to a certain religious group.

Cant you see that if one calls theirself republican and at the same time prostitutes their policies towards ANY religious group they're only screwing with your head.

There are MORE gay republicans than democrats in the senate and house of reps. Yet thye'll still say that its sick, deisgusting and wrong JUST TO GET THE VOTES!!!!

they'll use and lie ANY political position just to get the majority of the votes. Anyone who USES religion to get VOTES is wron, wrong, wrong.

God doesn't want to be a giant political billboard! God doesn't have any political party! God WANTS religion to stay the heck ot of politics because thats when people USE god's name for things God doesn't want to be apart of!

Do you think God WANTS a long fight in IRaq? Do you think God WANTS people to be executed for smoking, porn, homosexuality, drug use, and jaywalking?

Clirus>> You have officially prostituted Christianity to the people who kept pimping God's name to the fools most likely to hear it, the very same things the Pharisee did in Jesus' time.

It sickens me to see a politican pimp God's name and His word just so they can get votes.


The world Clirus wants to live in IS the apocalypse....

 

[mindlight]

The tax system massively punishes the rich for their higher income with much higher tax rates. And it is not the place of the government to solve everyone's problems, it is the place of the community to help its own through the church!

The changes in the tax code that George Bush has made seem to have benefited the rich more than the poor:


FACT CHECK: Bush could hardly have been farther off base when he said most of his tax cuts "went to low- and middle-income Americans." That's just not true. In fact, the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center recently calculated that most of the tax cuts-53% to be exact-went to the highest-earning 10% of US individuals and families. Those most affluent Americans got an average tax cut of $7,661. And as for the "low- and middle-income Americans" Bush mentioned-the bottom 60% of individuals and families got only 13.7% of the tax cuts, a far cry from "most" of the cuts as claimed by Bush. Source: Analysis of Third Bush-Kerry debate (FactCheck.org) Oct 14, 2004
I am in favour of faith based initiatives and churches can do a lot to help poor people get back on their feet. But the giving for this purpose by churches pales into insignificance compared to the sums provided by the state and the benefits of church support depend on which area you find yourself - its not a comprehensive safety against absolute poverty. If you regard absolute poverty as an evil as I do then you will regard this as a problem. The state remains the most effective way to help poor people and while partnerships with faith based initiatives may improve the states efficiency and motivation the state remains the primary actor here.

The problems following the hurricane also come from people depending on the government to do everything and fix everything for them. Charity has done and will always do a lot more to that end.

The disaster could have been prevented in the first place by a relatively small investment in flood defences. There would have been no need for charity had the federal government done its job properly in the first place.

As for Iraq, we should have gone in with a lot more force than we did. We should have overwhelmed and whiped out the enemy in one stroke. But now that we are where we are in that, we have to finish the job.

Agreed you should not cut and run from Iraq and more troops on the ground would have been an effective strategy from the beginning, also not dismantling the iraqi military quite so quickly and an early removal of the problem militias might have made a big difference. These decisions could have been made but were not. Thus the accusation of incompetence hangs over the government. Someone probably argued these things - why were they not listened to is quite important since with hindsight they were in the right.

Do you agree with me about the oil lobbies and a higher tax on petrol to reduce the US trade deficit by reducing oil demand to the levels of domestic production then?

 

[tulc]

Clirus>> You have officially prostituted Christianity to the people who kept pimping God's name to the fools most likely to hear it, the very same things the Pharisee did in Jesus' time.

...sooooo I take it you don't agree with clirus?
tulc(just kidding!)

 

[mpok1519]

wipe out the enemy in one stroke? are you kidding me?

the more terrorists you kill, the more terrorists will spring up.

if you kill one's father, one might be inclined to avenge his father's death, ie, kill you.

war is cyclical AND DOES NOT END until someone steps up and says enough is enough.

feed the terrorists and perhaps they won't be inclined to plant an ied for fifty bucks.

if youre really christian you'll feed and help the enemy so that he may become your friend.

instead, people have a lack of vision and no comprehension of the future.

if you support the republicans who are in the WH right now, you support destruction.

Our biggest economic ally in the mideast is Saudi Arabia becuase they have the most oil; Saudi Arabia is also the number one financial backer of most world-wide terror organizations. In essence, if you support the US, you support the revenue we give them for oil, and in essence you support terrorism. Most terrorists get their money from OIL MOGULS.

too bad that kind of information is SUPPRESSED! set yourself free people and know the truth.

 

[KomissarSteve]

As for Iraq, we should have gone in with a lot more force than we did. We should have overwhelmed and whiped out the enemy in one stroke. But now that we are where we are in that, we have to finish the job.

Who is the enemy? The relatively tiny minority of insurgent fighters that affiliates itself with al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, or the much, much, MUCH larger group that is split up between various ethnic militia? Because if it's the latter group, then I'm sorry to say, "the enemy" can pretty much be taken to mean "the entire population of Iraq."

But now that we are where we are in that, we have to finish the job.

Why are you so sure that we have that capability?

 

[dlamberth]

As for Iraq, we should have gone in with a lot more force than we did. We should have overwhelmed and whiped out the enemy in one stroke. But now that we are where we are in that, we have to finish the job.

Is this what Jesus would have done?

No doubt, Hussein was a bad guy. There is no denying that fact. But there were clearly there other ways to deal with him besides war. In the actions we took, the innocent killed, the bombs dropped, we became no better than Hussein.

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[PassionFruit]

The tax system massively punishes the rich for their higher income with much higher tax rates. And it is not the place of the government to solve everyone's problems, it is the place of the community to help its own through the church!

The problems following the hurricane also come from people depending on the government to do everything and fix everything for them. Charity has done and will always do a lot more to that end.

As for Iraq, we should have gone in with a lot more force than we did. We should have overwhelmed and whiped out the enemy in one stroke. But now that we are where we are in that, we have to finish the job.

Wow, how can you be so clueless?

 

[christalee4]

So since the Bible mandates such laws, are you for laws that punish people who are homosexual, who are adulterers, who are heretics and blasphemers, and children who wilfully disobey their parents, with Biblical judgements such as stoning, burning to death, the sword or hanging?

Please be honest, and hopefully then we can put this controversial issue to rest.

I'll keep moving this up for Clirus, in case he missed it on the second or third go-around.

Clirus, why do you side-step these issues? Are they too controversial for you? If Biblical Law is indeed mandated, then these laws need to be taken into consideration, especially when there are so many Atheists and heretics doing harm to our society.

Your thoughts on the specifics?

 

[clirus]

mpok1519 quote

if youre really christian you'll feed and help the enemy so that he may become your friend.

Response

Now that is an interesting concept.

It would be worthwhile to become your enemy just to get a vacation, a new car, a new house and a few of the other luxuries of life.

Men have a lot of friends, till the money runs out.

Women have lots of friends till they get pregnant.

 

[KarateCowboy]

mpok1519 quote

if youre really christian you'll feed and help the enemy so that he may become your friend.

Response

Now that is an interesting concept.

It would be worthwhile to become your enemy just to get a vacation, a new car, a new house and a few of the other luxuries of life.

Men have a lot of friends, till the money runs out.

Women have lots of friends till they get pregnant.

Dude, je ne te comprende pas.

 

[KomissarSteve]

Now that is an interesting concept.

It would be worthwhile to become your enemy just to get a vacation, a new car, a new house and a few of the other luxuries of life.

Strawman; no one is suggesting that we go that far.

Men have a lot of friends, till the money runs out.

If that's the way it will be (and I see no reason to believe that what you describe here is inevitable, anyway), then so be it. It is our leaders' obligation to protect the lives and interests of their constituents, the citizens of the United States; if the best way to do this is to turn our enemies into fair-weather friends, then it is their responsibility to do so.

Women have lots of friends till they get pregnant.

...what, exactly, is this supposed to mean?

 

[clirus]

mindlight quote

1) Is it Chrisian to show favouritism to rich people over poor people n the tax system or indeed to show no concern for the widow or orphan in their distress. One could argue a strong case that this has been a fruit of the current Republican administration.

2) Is it a Christian thing to be an irresponsible steward - as with the incompetence of the current administrations response to the Hurricane Katrina fiasco and its previous refusal of funds for better flood defences for New Orleans.

3) Is it a Christian thing to promote the irresponsible wasting of oil resources by keeping the taxes on petrol low and by the ways in which George Bushs agenda has been hyjacked by oil companies. IN doing so Americas trade deficit with the rest of the world has been magnified as expensive oil has been imported from abroad

4) The neocon assumptions that governed much of the early part of the Iraq invasion were wrong e.g. that Iraq would welcome invasion and be grateful for its liberation. They failed to prepare the USA for the aftermath of invasion and neocons have not been that wise with the situation they found there. If Christian governance rather than neocon influence had been more prominent maybe the administration would not ave made so many mistakes here.

Good Response by LilGeorgiaPeach81

The tax system massively punishes the rich for their higher income with much higher tax rates. And it is not the place of the government to solve everyone's problems, it is the place of the community to help its own through the church!

The problems following the hurricane also come from people depending on the government to do everything and fix everything for them. Charity has done and will always do a lot more to that end.

As for Iraq, we should have gone in with a lot more force than we did. We should have overwhelmed and whiped out the enemy in one stroke. But now that we are where we are in that, we have to finish the job.

I would add

The tax system has existed for a long time and cannot be blamed on the Republicans. The concept that Republicans favor the rich is pure democratic propaganda.

President Bush could have been considered incompetence in the response to the Hurricane Katrina fiasco and its previous refusal of funds for better flood defenses for New Orleans, except if you compare President Bush's response to other presidents under similar situations.

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The 1995 Chicago heat wave led to approximately 600 heat-related deaths over a period of five days.

The scale was shocking, although the event itself may not have been that unusual. Eric Klinenberg, author of the 2002 book Heat Wave: A Social Autopsy of Disaster in Chicago, has noted that in the United States, the loss of human life in hot spells in summer exceeds that caused by all other weather events combined, including lightning, rain, floods, hurricanes, and tornadoes.

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Oil prices are high because America is fighting a war with the people that have the oil. Oil prices are high because the democrats and environmentalist have prevented using sources near America and have never produced an real energy policy. Environmentalists aided by democrats, stopped all nuclear power construction in America.

What proof to you offer that how higher taxes would save oil resources?

Living in a time of war has got to be as close to paradise that a critic can get. There is no such thing as planning in a war and there is no such thing as a civilized war. Democrats are get a dumb angry look on their face when they are asked what the plan is after the cut and run policy is implemented. It is interesting to note that of the three ethnic groups in Iraq, the Kurds consider America to be a liberator and have prospered from the liberation. If the Sunni and Shiites had taken the same course as the Kurds, the Iraq War would be considered a great success.

What proof do you offer that democrats would have planned better for the Iraq War than Republicans?

When compared to perfection, Republicans did not look good, but when compared to democrats, Republicans look brilliant. Without the propaganda support of the Atheistic Liberal News Media the democrats would look ridicules.

I believe a lot of the criticism of President Bush has more to do with President Bush being a Christian than the actions of the Bush Administration.

 

[clirus]

Staying the Course

A lot of people like to criticize President Bush for "Staying the Course".

There seems to be some sort of ultimate sin defined by the Atheistic Liberal News Media if a person does not "compromise". The ALNM says all politicians must compromise. I think what the ALNM is really saying is that they compromise all the time (especially with the truth) and they find it offensive to see a person that does not compromise on all issues.

A person can be stubborn, or a person can be very thoughtful then very positive. I believe President Bush thought things through and was very positive about his positions. President Bush did not "compromise" to either the right wing of the Republican party or the left wing democratic party. Both the liberals and conservatives disagreed with Bush on immigration, yet I saw nothing better offered by those who disagreed.

I believe President Bush's "No Child Left Behind" and "Medicare Prescription Drug Program" will make President Bush be known as a Compassionate Conservative. President Bush will also be know as the person who best understood the Islamic Terrorist problem of the Middle East and will be praised for his diplomatic and war policy that changed the evil direction the Middle East had been heading for the past sixty years.

America saw what happened when there was a compromiser in control of the government. Bill Clinton made everyone happy by doing what ever was popular. Going to war was not popular, so Clinton did not go to war, but this allowed the Islamic Terrorists the time to prepare for 9/11.

Compromise to me is a 10 letter dirty word. Maybe that is why I do not like the ALNM.

I believe the reason the ALNM hates Christians is because Christian are people that must, "Stay the Course".

 

[Nathan Poe]

A lot of people like to criticize President Bush for "Staying the Course".

And for good reason.

There seems to be some sort of ultimate sin defined by the Atheistic Liberal News Media if a person does not "compromise". The ALNM says all politicians must compromise. I think what the ALNM is really saying is that they compromise all the time (especially with the truth) and they find it offensive to see a person that does not compromise on all issues.

Or any issues.

A person can be stubborn, or a person can be very thoughtful then very positive. I believe President Bush thought things through and was very positive about his positions. President Bush did not "compromise" to either the right wing of the Republican party or the left wing democratic party. Both the liberals and conservatives disagreed with Bush on immigration, yet I saw nothing better offered by those who disagreed.

You didn't look.

I believe President Bush's "No Child Left Behind" and "Medicare Prescription Drug Program" will make President Bush be known as a Compassionate Conservative.

As an educator, I can tell you that NCLB is a disasterous program right down to its core. It made for some nice soundbytes, the it's a certified fiasco.

Of course, seeing as how Bush doesn't "compromise," he wouldn't care enough to fix it.

President Bush will also be know as the person who best understood the Islamic Terrorist problem of the Middle East and will be praised for his diplomatic and war policy that changed the evil direction the Middle East had been heading for the past sixty years.

Changed from evil to more evil, that is.

America saw what happened when there was a compromiser in control of the government. Bill Clinton made everyone happy by doing what ever was popular. Going to war was not popular, so Clinton did not go to war, but this allowed the Islamic Terrorists the time to prepare for 9/11.

Going to war was not necessary, either. Perhaps that's why he didn't do it? And even if he had, would he have gone to war with Iraq? What purpose would that have served? The same as it does now -- none.

Compromise to me is a 10 letter dirty word. Maybe that is why I do not like the ALNM.

And why you like Bush.

I believe the reason the ALNM hates Christians is because Christian are people that must, "Stay the Course".

Haven't you heard? Bush never "stayed the course." He said as much himself.

 

[Rudolph Hucker]

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What proof to you offer that how higher taxes would save oil resources?
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In Europe, indeed in all of the developed world save USA, taxes on oil (petrol/gasoline) are very high. As a direct consequence, Europeans drive smaller cars and comsume less energy per head, far less. Where tax is 80% of the price of petrol (gasoline) the change in oil price per se makes little difference to the pump price.

BTW, in real terms oil is much cheaper now than in 1979 when it was 40 USD per barrel.

 

[tulc]

Atheistic Liberal News Media

Drink!
tulc(and so early in the morning too!)

 

[tulc]

Compromise to me is a 10 letter dirty word. Maybe that is why I do not like the ALNM. (emph. added)

...should the use of initials be part of the game or do the actual words have to be used?
tulc(who votes for them being allowed)

 

[ParsonJefferson]

In Europe, indeed in all of the developed world save USA, taxes on oil (petrol/gasoline) are very high. As a direct consequence, Europeans drive smaller cars and comsume less energy per head, far less. Where tax is 80% of the price of petrol (gasoline) the change in oil price per se makes little difference to the pump price.

BTW, in real terms oil is much cheaper now than in 1979 when it was 40 USD per barrel.

I agree about the high price of gas leading to Europeans driving smaller cars.

I'd love to get the TDI version of the Volkswagen Polo or Lupo - one of which gets 77 mpg, the other about 90 mpg - but they're not legal in the United States. They don't meet federal crash safety ratings.

In addition, it's a bit unfair to compare (for instance) France - with 260,000 square miles - to the United States - with nearly 4 million square miles. The higher price of fuel will cause all goods, in the United States, to rise exponentially, simply due to the size of our infrastructure and the resulting cost of transportation.

 

[IzzyPop]

...should the use of initials be part of the game or do the actual words have to be used?
tulc(who votes for them being allowed)

If your drink of choice is coffee, then the use of initials is just fine. However, a harder drink would result in someone passing out prior to reading the end of the thread. I think it should be house rules on that one.

 

[Nathan Poe]

...should the use of initials be part of the game or do the actual words have to be used?
tulc(who votes for them being allowed)

I propose a compromise -- sip for the initials, drink when he writes it out.
Nathan Poe(see clirus? Compromise can be a great thing!)