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[NightEternal]

I do not tithe my gross income, only my net.

I have heard many try to make a case for it, but I do not agree. I read a good article that clearly showed such a position really has no Biblical merit.

But, people are free to tithe however they want.

 

[sentipente]

But, people are free to tithe however they want.

The fact is that tithing was abolished with the Levitical priesthood it was established to support. Church support is entirely legitimate but tithing in today's world is a contradiction.

 

[TrustAndObey]

I do not tithe my gross income, only my net.

I have heard many try to make a case for it, but I do not agree. I read a good article that clearly showed such a position really has no Biblical merit.

But, people are free to tithe however they want.

My net IS gross.

 

[djconklin]

I do not tithe my gross income, only my net.

Since you are, in some cases will be, receiving a benefit from the taxes that are taken out the tithe is on the gross. God never said tithe on the net.

The fact is that tithing was abolished with the Levitical priesthood it was established to support.

There is no evidence for that. Some biblical scholars could point to its repeated mention in Heb. 7 as evidence that it was a continued practice within the Christian church.

 

[NightEternal]

Since you are, in some cases will be, receiving a benefit from the taxes that are taken out the tithe is on the gross. God never said tithe on the net.

God never said either. It only says income, which, I assume, means money you recieve from your employer directly. A person just has to use thier common sense.

I tithe my tax returns Conklin. There is no case to be made for tithing gross. The money in question from my check goes straight to the government and I never see it, so it was never really 'my' income to begin with.

 

[sentipente]

There is no evidence for that. Some biblical scholars could point to its repeated mention in Heb. 7 as evidence that it was a continued practice within the Christian church.

What the early church continued to practice is not definitive of the Creator's purpose.

 

[sentipente]

God never said either. It only says income, which, I assume, means money you recieve from your employer directly.

Tithe is paid on one's increase, not on one's income. But that makes no difference since in the NT era church support has not limits. All belongs to the Creator and you support the church as you are led.

 

[NightEternal]

So, if I get a raise and my salary 'increases', I will tithe accordingly.

I give generous offerings as well BTW.

Senti, you need to meet Tom Norris from Adventist Tomorow forums. He is also protesting against the tithe belief as well, quite vigorously.

The man is a complete pitbull, but he has some great observations about Adventism that I feel need to be considered.

RC knows well how aggressively militant Tom can be, don't you RC?

 

[NightEternal]

I also believe that the 'storehouse' in question the Bible speaks about is the church, not the GC. However, until we see a congregational system officially implemented in the SDA system, this is what we have to work with.

With books such as If I Were The Devil by George Knight making the rounds right now, we may not be far off...

 

[mva1985]

How long will we continue to misrepresent the good Lord. I want someone to prove to me that when I provide my employer with 40 hrs a week and in exchange he gives me a salary that the salary he gives to me is an increase by any definition of the word.

Prove that it is not an increase.

 

[sentipente]

Prove that it is not an increase.

And exchange is not an increase. Next question.

 

[mva1985]

And exchange is not an increase. Next question.

If I tithed only the interest on my money it wouldn't be much.

 

[sentipente]

If I tithed only the interest on my money it wouldn't be much.

You need to remember that the tithe was based on an agrarian economy. If a farmer began the year with 100 sheep and at the end of the year he had 120 (10 died or killed and 30 lambs) he only had to offer 3 as tithe not 12. Tithing no longer is binding. All giving today should be freewill but the church believes that using the tithing laws carries more clout because of the "will a man rob God" spiel. Fear and guilt are strong motivators and church leaders know that.

 

[mva1985]

You need to remember that the tithe was based on an agrarian economy. If a farmer began the year with 100 sheep and at the end of the year he had 120 (10 died or killed and 30 lambs) he only had to offer 3 as tithe not 12. Tithing no longer is binding. All giving today should be freewill but the church believes that using the tithing laws carries more clout because of the "will a man rob God" spiel. Fear and guilt are strong motivators and church leaders know that.

Or perhaps the church leaders really believe that tithing is still the right thing to do - Biblically.

It is hard for me to see the case to do away with tithing - it is a principle. The Levites were priests - we have priests today that have to be paid. Missions that need to be taken care of. So I am not completely convinced yet that tithing should not be continued in this day 'n age.

I might be wavering though

 

[mva1985]

Just for clarification I have always felt that a person who is running a business should tithe on the net income of their business.

As in your example of the shepard.

 

[sentipente]

It is hard for me to see the case to do away with tithing - it is a principle. The Levites were priests - we have priests today that have to be paid. Missions that need to be taken care of.

We have no priests. That is a Catholic concept. We belong to the priesthood of believers. We do have institutions that need to be supported, however, but we should not call it tithing. It is a misuse of the Bible. But money will make people do a lot of things.

 

[mva1985]

We have no priests. That is a Catholic concept. We belong to the priesthood of believers. We do have institutions that need to be supported, however, but we should not call it tithing. It is a misuse of the Bible. But money will make people do a lot of things.

priests - pastors. I hoped you could figure out what I meant.

 

[StormyOne]

We have no priests. That is a Catholic concept. We belong to the priesthood of believers. We do have institutions that need to be supported, however, but we should not call it tithing. It is a misuse of the Bible. But money will make people do a lot of things.

and lack of study will make people do alot of things too.... as will a lack of questioning..... does not the book that some worship say, "my people are destroyed because of a lack of knowledge?"

 

[sentipente]

priests - pastors. I hoped you could figure out what I meant.

That is how people get trapped. They are not the same thing.

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

I always have such a hard time with the tithing...I don't have a steady income, rather a bunch of money saved up. So I could either give a large sum all in one, and then have no tithe for the next while untill I receieve more money for a birthday or something...Or just give what I have with me. I tend to give what I have with me, and not really concentrate on the amount. It may not be a tenth, but I figure it works out eventually.