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Since Jesus said that it is not a marriage but rather an adulterous affair, yes they should leave the adulterous affair. Adultery by definition is not marriage and vice versa. If God says a relationship is adultery it needs to be repented of.
Actually Jesus said quite clearly 'AND MARRY ANOTHER''
So I dont know where youre getting this idea that He said its not a marriage. His actual words show that it IS a marriage :)

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From G1062; to wed (of either sex): - marry (a wife).
 
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IMHO, Sherman is wrong. God is the authority over marriages. Always has been. Always will be.
Thankfully we do seem to still agree on some point of doctrine, sister :)
God created marriage and I do believe He keeps His watch over marriage.

As believers, we are members of the body of Christ. I believe our head, Jesus is able to heal, restore, call forth repentance, and reconciliate any true christian's marriage. But is our Lord truly given a chance to do so? I think not. We are quick to run to the world's way of handling our spiritual problems. Let's face it...divorce comes from sin. It is spiritual sickness that causes it.

What say you to this fellow believers? The Church solving it's own problems - not the world.
Quite true that divorce comes from sin.
The sin of a man who after marrying his high school sweet heart decides that he prefers his life in a bottle and so starts to batter her fairly frequently as a result and the cheating comes not long afterward.

I find it quite detestable that some seem to be willing to damn this innocent woman for finally ending that marriage while being so forgiving of the man who was the actual criminal.
 
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Since Jesus said that it is not a marriage but rather an adulterous affair, yes they should leave the adulterous affair. Adultery by definition is not marriage and vice versa. If God says a relationship is adultery it needs to be repented of.


That's the most unloving thing I've seen a Christian suggest to another in a long time. How can two wrongs ever make something right? :scratch: Unbelievable!

How would you suggest that be explained to the new family created by the person you would call an ongoing adulterer? What about the children they may have produced? Are they illegitimate and to be abandoned as well? Do you honestly believe and rational and sane pastor might agree with you on this?


I'm sure this is fair to demand of people as soon as you agree to poke out the eye or cut off the hand that has caused you to sin. :doh:


I don't think you understand what the Pharisees were all about. Jesus didn't condemn them because they were too faithful to God's commandments and were exhorting others to do the same. He criticized them because they repeatedly violated his law while having a self righteous exterior. There is absolutely nothing wrong with keeping His commandments and exhorting others to do the same, and in fact this is what those of us who are born of God will do.

It is those who claim to be righteous while practicing lawlessness that are acting like the Pharisees. Jesus said that everyone who divorces and remarries commits adultery but our modern day Pharisees do exactly that, yet walk around proudly proclaiming to be His children and claiming Him as their Lord. He however said that such people have never known Him and never been born of Him


:eek: :doh: That's exactly what I've been saying and your words here are incredibly self-righteous whether you recognize it or not. None of us can keep His commandments or live a sin free life so setting yourself up to be better or less sinful than anyone else is repeating exactly the same behavior of the Pharisees.

What part of being born again do you think denies forgiveness of past sins?


I've NEVER said that anyone is saved by their own righteousness. It is the righteousness of God that is bestowed upon us by His Spirit that saves us, and I have NEVER said otherwise. Please respond to what I say and do not create these straw men. Nobody can ever earn salvation through their works, but if God has done His work in someone they will practice righteousness because they have been born of Him. His seed abides in them and sanctifies them so that they are saved FROM their sin.

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You declare that Scripture denies salvation to those who have made a certain set of mistakes. Many of us have been responding to and pointing out the error of your judgemental position. It is you who is refusing to acknowledge that Christ dies for all our sins and through Him we are sanctified, i.e. purified, made free from sin, rendered legitimate. Please stop putting your limitations on Christ's grace.

Can a saved murderer go back and bring someone back to life or a pedophile undo the offenses they've committed? Why are the mistakes of the past that led to divorce any worse or less likely to be forgiven?

God keeps no record of our sins and they are forgotten. Why would you insist on keeping people under a cloud of shame when it is never what God intended?
 
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I'm sure this is fair to demand of people as soon as you agree to poke out the eye or cut off the hand that has caused you to sin. :doh:
Try to someone to obey this instruction from our Lord tho ;)

(Mat 5:42 KJV) Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
(Luk 6:30 KJV) Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

Ive found that folks will context themselves right out of obeying those even though Jesus offers NO exception whatsoever.
 
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Thankfully we do seem to still agree on some point of doctrine, sister :)
God created marriage and I do believe He keeps His watch over marriage.


Quite true that divorce comes from sin.
The sin of a man who after marrying his high school sweet heart decides that he prefers his life in a bottle and so starts to batter her fairly frequently as a result and the cheating comes not long afterward.

I find it quite detestable that some seem to be willing to damn this innocent woman for finally ending that marriage while being so forgiving of the man who was the actual criminal.
I love ya HM! :)

I would not even think it right for that woman to stay in the vicinity of that man! In these cases, I advocate separation.

Now, my question to you is this? Is this "batterer" any less loved by God than the one he batters? Is his sin greater somehow that God would not want him to repent and come to the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus? By her leaving him through divorce, how do we know that she is not the instrument that God will use to bring the "batterer" to Him? hmmm
 
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I love ya HM! :)
right back at ya :)

I would not even think it right for that woman to stay in the vicinity of that man! In these cases, I advocate separation.
And if she files divorce instead?

Now, my question to you is this? Is this "batterer" any less loved by God than the one he batters?
Im sorry, but this question is relevant to eternal salvation and Gods covenant with man, not to a breach of the marriage covenant between a man and his wife.
Whether the man is going to be saved at some point is for God to deal with.
If he has broken his marriage covenant, that is altogether a separate issue.
Did Joseph believe Mary would or should be damned to hell just because he felt to put her away when he thought she had cheated? of course not.


Is his sin greater somehow that God would not want him to repent and come to the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus? By her leaving him through divorce, how do we know that she is not the instrument that God will use to bring the "batterer" to Him? hmmm
Again, you are speaking of two separate issues.
Paul telling the beleiver not to leave the unbeliever *IF* the unbeliever was 'pleased' (the word means mutually, not one sided) to stay assumes there is nothing like abuse going on based on the actual meaning of 'pleased' ('pleased together with').

In a case of abuse, no I do not believe Paul would have told this believing woman that she was still responsible for her unbelieving husbands salvation if he was abusing her.

Salvation is Gods realm and we only help that along as best we are able when we are able.
God has called no one to live in torment in a marriage covenant to save their souls.

And before anyone brings it up, we are not in any sort of covenant with an unbelieving world so saying that we are to face persecution at the hands of the world is not the same as being yoked together in a marriage covenant where there are specific precepts involved.
 
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That's the most unloving thing I've seen a Christian suggest to another in a long time. How can two wrongs ever make something right? :scratch: Unbelievable!

That's what Jesus said, so you're calling him unloving. He says that when one enters into a second marriage while their original spouse still lives, they are actually having extramarital sex or a voluntary sexual relationship with someone who is not their spouse.

Encarta® World English Dictionary
a·dul·ter·y [ə dúltəree] n. extramarital sex: voluntary sexual relations between a married person and somebody other than his or her spouse

So you think it's loving to continue in a relationship which God calls an adulterous affair? Adultery is a serious sin which God says will prevent one from entering His Kingdom if it isn't repented of. How unloving is it therefore to encourage people to continue in behavior which excludes them from God's Kingdom? If we have any love at all for people we would encourage them to forsake the adulterous relationship.


How would you suggest that be explained to the new family created by the person you would call an ongoing adulterer? What about the children they may have produced? Are they illegitimate and to be abandoned as well? Do you honestly believe and rational and sane pastor might agree with you on this?

Sin has consequences, but continuing in the sin out of convenience is not an option. Let's imagine that two homosexual women acquire a marriage certificate and manage to have children by artificial means. Later they study the Bible and desire to come to Christ, but realize that their relationship is not allowable to Him. Would any legitimate pastor tell them it was OK to continue in the homosexual relationship? Obviously not. They would have a difficult process to sort out, but in the end it would be the right thing to do. Then why do you you assume that God is fine with adulterous couples living together? Yes their sin has created problems, and ending it will create more, but in the end it is the right thing to do because they never should have been committing adultery in the first place.


I'm sure this is fair to demand of people as soon as you agree to poke out the eye or cut off the hand that has caused you to sin. :doh:

The point Jesus was making there is that if your hand causes you to sin you are better off without it so that you can enter his Kingdom. He specifically said that adultery will keep you out of His Kingdom, so you definitely should cut off your adulterous relationship so that you may enter His Kingdom. If it's foolish to be so attached to our own body parts in this world that we'd lose the kingdom because of them, how foolish it would be to cling to an adulterous marriage in this world and lose His Kingdom. That's the point Jesus was making, and why I'm encouraging people to forsake their adulterous affairs.


:eek: :doh: That's exactly what I've been saying and your words here are incredibly self-righteous whether you recognize it or not. None of us can keep His commandments or live a sin free life so setting yourself up to be better or less sinful than anyone else is repeating exactly the same behavior of the Pharisees.

I'm not here talking about myself, so it is unfair of you to suggest that I am being self righteous. The truth is that God says we can keep His commandments however, If we have been born of Him:

1 John 2:3-6By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, IS A LIAR, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.


1 John 5:2-3 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.


1 John 3:7-10 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.


1 John 5:18We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.


If someone cannot keep His commandments it is because they have not been born of God. They probably have not been born of God because they have not made Him their Lord. If they were willing to forsake their adultery and other sins He would cleanse them from all unrighteousness, but instead most harden their hearts in rebellion against him and will not adhere to His commandments.

What part of being born again do you think denies forgiveness of past sins?

I never said it did, but if one is in an adulterous relationship they need to stop committing adultery before they can come to Christ. A murderer has to stop murdering, a thief has to stop stealing, etc.


You declare that Scripture denies salvation to those who have made a certain set of mistakes.

No I don't. Please don't mischaracterize my position and build straw men to tear down. I have always said that sin can be forgiven and people saved, but they must make Christ Lord of their lives and be willing to forsake their sin.

Many of us have been responding to and pointing out the error of your judgemental position. It is you who is refusing to acknowledge that Christ dies for all our sins and through Him we are sanctified, i.e. purified, made free from sin, rendered legitimate. Please stop putting your limitations on Christ's grace.

We are sanctified through Christ because His Spirit regenerates our hearts and cleanses us from all unrighteousness. We are free from our sin because we are a new creation within. That is what his grace is all about. You are turning His grace into licentiousness and claiming He died so that we could be free to practice lawlessness, but that is the opposite of what scripture teaches.


Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?


Romans 6:10-18 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.


Jude 1:4 For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Can a saved murderer go back and bring someone back to life or a pedophile undo the offenses they've committed?

Nobody can un-sin, but you can stop committing those sins in the future. A murderer doesn't have to keep murdering, a pedophile doesn't have to keep molesting.

Why are the mistakes of the past that led to divorce any worse or less likely to be forgiven?

The mistakes that led to the divorce can be forgiven as well as the divorce itself, but the subsequent adulterous affair needs to be ended.

God keeps no record of our sins and they are forgotten. Why would you insist on keeping people under a cloud of shame when it is never what God intended?

He desires to save us from our sin, not so that we can live in it. People are always in a cloud of shame as long as they are practicing lawlessness. Jesus Christ wants to bring them out of that shame and save them from their sin, but we must allow him to do so. If we harden our hearts and cling to our sin He will not save us.


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That's what Jesus said, so you're calling him unloving.

And every time you folks say that ALL divorce is hardhearted, instead of understanding the actual context Jesus is speaking...against FRIVOLOUS divorce....you call GOD hardhearted because HE gave a bill of divorce and then later ENDED that covenant.

 
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Where do you get the idea that God prefers murder to adultery?
You need to take your ideas to their logical conclusion. According to you if a divorced person remains in his new marriage there is no hope of redemption for him. He must first abandon the new marriage and remain single, or return to the first marriage if he can. It is also clear that if he murders his first wife and gets away with it all he has to do is confess the first marriage to God and he is now free to marry anybody else he desires. That is an awfully big loophole.
 
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So you think it's loving to continue in a relationship which God calls an adulterous affair?
This is like listening to a broken record.

Jesus words were rendered in the Present Indicative.
In the Present form the Indicative would be the one used to show that there was NO ongoing consequence.

Secondy, and again, Jesus made NO assertion that this remarriage itself was 'adulterous'. He said the sin was committed against that spouse upon remarriage WHEN the marriage was ended for less than that breach of covenant.

You are the one adding 'adulterous' as a state of being to this second marriage, not Jesus.
 
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If we have any love at all for people we would encourage them to forsake the adulterous relationship.
That's really sweet of you, brother :)

Now, other than ACTUAL 'unlawful' marriages as defined in GODs law, can you show us a single example of someone having to end a second marriage who was remarried to someone NOT deemed as 'unlawful' for them to have in Gods law ?

I can give you the answer myself because it is a very important point
Its 'no'.

Additionally, there WERE remarried divorcees in the church in Pauls lifetime, not having been expelled but having restrictions put in place instead.

Evidences of divorce and remarriage in the Church

*IF* what you believed were true, then there would be no restriction of 'having been the wife of ONE man' on these widows because she couldnt have been the wife of a second living man (a remarried widow is not unlawful in the least) because you say its not a 'marriage'.
And secondly *IF* what you say were true she would already have been ejected from the church and NOT being considered for this list of widows.

Again, your conclusions are not based on any logical harmonization of Gods word
 
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Let's imagine that two homosexual women acquire a marriage certificate and manage to have children by artificial means. Later they study the Bible and desire to come to Christ, but realize that their relationship is not allowable to Him. Would any legitimate pastor tell them it was OK to continue in the homosexual relationship? Obviously not. They would have a difficult process to sort out, but in the end it would be the right thing to do. Then why do you you assume that God is fine with adulterous couples living together? Yes their sin has created problems, and ending it will create more, but in the end it is the right thing to do because they never should have been committing adultery in the first place.

Gay unions are incomparable to remarriages
By WmTipton

Assertions/Conclusions of this article

To dispute the slanderous, anti-Christ and ungodly comparison of Gods marital covenant to homosexual unions


Supporting Evidence

In some of the more devious/deceptive circles these days we see this nonsense of comparing the abominable union of two men to a covenant made before God between a man and woman where one or both have been remarried.
This will be a pretty short document as all we need to prove here is that remarriage WAS permitted after a divorce somewhere in scripture and that men lying with men is nothing in Gods eyes at any point in time short of abomination and fornication.

Firstly let us see Gods unchanging view of homosexuality...

You shall not lie with mankind as with womankind. It is abomination to God.
(Lev 18:22 MKJV)

If a man also lies with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be on them.
(Lev 20:13 MKJV)

Notice there are no ‘exceptions’, no concessions, no leniency...simply death if this act is committed.
No male/male ‘marriage’ has ever existed in scripture, no homosexual union ever exonerated, no tolerance given in the matter at any point anywhere in scripture.

There can be no “marriage” before God between two men and without a marriage covenant in place a sexual relatioship is ALWAYS ‘fornication’ (porneia).
If for no other reason this union between two men would be sin by default simply because God created marriage to be between a man and a woman and there isnt a single precedent in scripture anywhere to show otherwise...and there is clear scripture to show that man being with men as one is with a woman is ALWAYS abomination.


Now, on the topic of a marriage covenant made between a man and a woman where one or both have been married previously, let us see what the scripture shows in these matters.

Let us go to Mosiac law and see if there is even a single piece of evidence that once lawfully divorced that either party could remarry without it being considered ‘abomination’ as we see with two men above...


When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
(Deu 24:1-4 KJV)


We absolutely see that after this divorce and subsequent remarriage there is no ‘abomination’ even remotely mentioned. Moses seems to either be encouraging this remarriage, or at the very least showing that the permission is assumed once she has been put away.
We see no ‘abomination’ here whatsoever where a remarriage has taken place.


Now, let us move up to our Lords words in Matt 19 where the Deut passage above is being discussed with Him by the pharisees who distorted the sufferance of divorce into a ‘commandment’.

The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
(Mat 19:3-9 KJV)


Firstly take notice that the text shows that they were ‘tempting’ or testing him (the Greek means ‘to test’). We can immediately see their hearts that were simply trying to trap or trick Jesus, rather than to know the truth.
These men bring up ‘for every cause’ from what Moses had been permitting as far as divorce goes. They knew Moses had ‘suffered’ them to put away their wives for every frivolous reason they could think up (“some uncleaness” found in her) and had twisted this sufferance for these frivolous divorces into a commandment, as it plainly shown.

Notice that Jesus corrects their false interpretation of this being a commandment and shows them clearly that it had not been a command, but a sufferance to allow them to divorce ‘for every cause’ (some uncleaness).
Our Lord then shows them in the last verse that He will no longer tolerate these frivolous divorces when He says ‘except’ in such a case as I define, you commit adultery when you ‘marry another’.

In His exception we see quite clearly that to ‘marry another’ is lawful in the case for which He describes (porneia/fornication/sexual immorality) and thus NOT ‘abomination’ as homosexual unions are regardless of the situation.

Those who use this nonsense that gay unions are comparable to remarriages clearly have not studied scripture on the matter in the least and are grasping at straws to push their faltering error on our brethren.
These slanderous comparisons of homosexual unions to remarriages are given simply for shock value. As we’ve clearly shown they have no foundation in scripture whatsoever.
 
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You need to take your ideas to their logical conclusion. According to you if a divorced person remains in his new marriage there is no hope of redemption for him. He must first abandon the new marriage and remain single, or return to the first marriage if he can. It is also clear that if he murders his first wife and gets away with it all he has to do is confess the first marriage to God and he is now free to marry anybody else he desires. That is an awfully big loophole.
Actually, if you follow a poster named lastblast this is precisely what has been asked of her and the response is unbelievable.
She literally stated when asked if we kill our ex spouse if God would then have to accept our remarriage and her answer was 'yes' (with a bit more, of course)

Its like this legalism is so blinded to who God is that they literally believe that HE is bound by marriage laws given to MAN to follow.
 
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The mistakes that led to the divorce can be forgiven as well as the divorce itself, but the subsequent adulterous affair needs to be ended.
1. Jesus said 'and marry another' and thats precisely what the word means.
2. the present indicative form was use for "committeth adultery" and in the present form that would be the one used to NOT show any ongoing consequence.

The repetition is quite a bit here, SE. :)
 
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You need to take your ideas to their logical conclusion. According to you if a divorced person remains in his new marriage there is no hope of redemption for him. He must first abandon the new marriage and remain single, or return to the first marriage if he can. It is also clear that if he murders his first wife and gets away with it all he has to do is confess the first marriage to God and he is now free to marry anybody else he desires. That is an awfully big loophole.

I don't think you understand the Gospel. This is not a game where we see what sins we can get away with and God still has to save us. Salvation is being freed from our wicked unrighteous hearts and not enslaved to practice murder or adultery or any other sin anymore. Christ's Spirit regenerates our hearts and sanctifies us so that we will desire to do His will by choice. We will not search for loopholes and ways to practice sin and get away with it, because that will never work anyway and we now hate our sin like God does.

If one murders their spouse in order to remarry they are a murderer and cannot inherit God's Kingdom either. He knows their hearts, so they are not going to succeed in scheme to murder and repent so they can remarry. Their repentance is feigned and God knows it, so they are not only an adulterer but murderer also, and they have hardened their hearts further against God and more deeply enslaved to their sin. We aren't going to beat God's system by sinning to cover our other sins. He knows the intent of our hearts, and the person you describe is extremely hard hearted against God and unrepentant about their sin.

There is hope of redemption for everyone, if they soften their hearts and allow Jesus Christ to be their Lord, so that His Spirit can do His work within them. If people harden their hearts however and insist on continuing in their sin, then they will remain children of the devil and will not be saved.

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1. Jesus said 'and marry another' and thats precisely what the word means.

He said that the second so-called marriage is an adulterous affair. Apparently you don't understand what adultery means:

Encarta® World English Dictionary
a·dul·ter·y [ə dúltəree] n. extramarital sex: voluntary sexual relations between a married person and somebody other than his or her spouse


Adultery is the sin of having sexual relations with someone other than your spouse while married. Adultery cannot be marriage by definition and vice versa. According to Jesus therefore, one is bound to their spouse of covenant by Him for as long as they both shall live.

If divorce ended the first marriage then it couldn't possibly be adultery to marry again because both parties would then be single. Jesus however says that it is adultery to remarry which means that the original marriage is still valid and thus the new marriage is an adulterous affair. An adulterous affair is not a marriage it is a sin that must be repented of.


2. the present indicative form was use for "committeth adultery" and in the present form that would be the one used to NOT show any ongoing consequence.

Yes, the person is presently committing adultery because they are bound by covenant to someone else and are having sexual relations with someone who is not their spouse. If they continue in the adulterous relationship then they will be committing adultery in the future as well. An adulterous affair is not such only the first time one commits the sin. It is adultery every time they do so until they stop.

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He said that the second so-called marriage is an adulterous affair. Apparently you don't understand what adultery means:

Encarta® World English Dictionary
a·dul·ter·y [ə dúltəree] n. extramarital sex: voluntary sexual relations between a married person and somebody other than his or her spouse


Adultery is the sin of having sexual relations with someone other than your spouse while married. Adultery cannot be marriage by definition and vice versa. According to Jesus therefore, one is bound to their spouse of covenant by Him for as long as they both shall live.

If divorce ended the first marriage then it couldn't possibly be adultery to marry again because both parties would then be single. Jesus however says that it is adultery to remarry which means that the original marriage is still valid and thus the new marriage is an adulterous affair. An adulterous affair is not a marriage it is a sin that must be repented of.




Yes, the person is presently committing adultery because they are bound by covenant to someone else and are having sexual relations with someone who is not their spouse. If they continue in the adulterous relationship then they will be committing adultery in the future as well. An adulterous affair is not such only the first time one commits the sin. It is adultery every time they do so until they stop.

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Sealed,

How do you know this? Divorce is given as an option by Jesus and in Deut 24 for unchasity.

Is your opinion that only the person's who remarry outside of this allowance are in adultery OR all who remarry?
 
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He said that the second so-called marriage is an adulterous affair. Apparently you don't understand what adultery means:

Actually I do.
and I can see with my own eyes that He does NOT say 'this ISNT a marriage but an adulterous affair' as your views must alter His words into saying for whatever reason :)



Encarta® World English Dictionary
a·dul·ter·y [ə dúltəree] n. extramarital sex: voluntary sexual relations between a married person and somebody other than his or her spouse

Im sorry, but the encarta dictionary does not determine the context of Gods WHOLE word for us. :)


Adultery is the sin of having sexual relations with someone other than your spouse while married. Adultery cannot be marriage by definition and vice versa. According to Jesus therefore, one is bound to their spouse of covenant by Him for as long as they both shall live.

Im sorry, but Jesus gave exception whereby adultery is NOT committed upon remarriage, firstly.
And secondly, for the 7th time now I believe, the Indicative use of the Present form of the greek is the one that would be used of those present forms to show that there ISNT an ongoing consequence :)


If divorce ended the first marriage then it couldn't possibly be adultery to marry again because both parties would then be single. Jesus however says that it is adultery to remarry which means that the original marriage is still valid and thus the new marriage is an adulterous affair. An adulterous affair is not a marriage it is a sin that must be repented of.

And it cant possibly be 'adultery' to only THINK about a woman sexually since no ACT is committed....but Jesus shows that it is ;)

Jesus is assigning guilt to an act that previously no guilt had been assigned to by Moses....frivolous divorce and remarriage.
He is not calling these 'adulterous affairs' or we should see NO exception given and we should see NO evidence of remarried divorcees in the church

Evidences of divorce and remarriage in the Church



Yes, the person is presently committing adultery

Not according the the evidence from the whole and not according to the tense used to render Jesus' words.
There are very specific greek tenses to show an act with ongoing FUTURE consequences that could have been used to show an 'ongoing' state after remarriage.
For some reason the writer chose NOT to use these but TO use the present tense of the word that of those present tenses is the one we'd use to make sure to get the point across that this wasnt any 'ongoing' thing as you assert.

This repetition is actually helping me to get woken up...:)

because they are bound by covenant to someone else and are having sexual relations with someone who is not their spouse. If they continue in the adulterous relationship then they will be committing adultery in the future as well. An adulterous affair is not such only the first time one commits the sin. It is adultery every time they do so until they stop.
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Im sorry, but you are simply in error for reasons previously stated

1. Jesus said 'and marry another' and thats precisely what the word means.
2. the present indicative form was use for "committeth adultery" and in the present form that would be the one used to NOT show any ongoing consequence.
Evidences of divorce and remarriage in the Church

 
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You need to take your ideas to their logical conclusion. According to you if a divorced person remains in his new marriage there is no hope of redemption for him. He must first abandon the new marriage and remain single, or return to the first marriage if he can. It is also clear that if he murders his first wife and gets away with it all he has to do is confess the first marriage to God and he is now free to marry anybody else he desires. That is an awfully big loophole.
Excellent point- thanks for sharing it.
 
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