At Crossroads -- Cf's Vision Discussion Thread - Please Vote in Poll Thread

[HisGrace58]

Me personally, I am very proud to be a Christian. Since the rules have changed on CF, I have been attacked by non Christians; and because the new ways of the site tend to be more "politically correct", I am now afraid to voice my Christian opinion around here. How can you witness to people (which by the way, is why I thought we were here) when they are allowed to say whatever they feel toward you without any type of consequences? This is a "Christian Web Site" or so I thought when I joined. I had a friend die yesterday and I was spoken to very rudely in the chat room. In the past, the moderators would do something about it.. now all they can say is "be nice". I guess you all are going to do whatever you please with the site - because it basically comes down to one person making that decision. In many countries, Christians are persecuted for their faith. I can almost see that happening right here on CF eventually.

** FOOD FOR THOUGHT: Would you let someone into your church if he or she continuously shouted blasphemous words (WITHOUT remorse) at the clergy or the congregation...?

This is what I have been seeing here lately, and it sure doesn't feel safe OR nice...

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

I really like the idea of allowing non-Christians to post in Christian areas, but as guests (allowing them to be regulated under different rules so as to better protect Christian members in Christian areas) thus allowing those causing problems to be confined to the non-Christian area.

Then what would protect the non-Christians from the Christians?

There is viciousness and dirty-dealing on all sides.

 

[Loki]

If people are continually shouting blaphemous things, it probably counts as flaming or proselytizing, both of which are prohibited.

 

[HisGrace58]

My opinion, maybe non Christians should start their own web site and not call it a Christian Forum?

 

[Loki]

My opinion, maybe non Christians should start their own web site and not call it a Christian Forum?

You wish us all to leave. Noted.

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

Me personally, I am very proud to be a Christian. Since the rules have changed on CF, I have been attacked by non Christians; and because the new ways of the site tend to be more "politically correct", I am now afraid to voice my Christian opinion around here. How can you witness to people (which by the way, is why I thought we were here) when they are allowed to say whatever they feel toward you without any type of consequences? This is a "Christian Web Site" or so I thought when I joined. I had a friend die yesterday and I was spoken to very rudely in the chat room. In the past, the moderators would do something about it.. now all they can say is "be nice". I guess you all are going to do whatever you please with the site - because it basically comes down to one person making that decision. In many countries, Christians are persecuted for their faith. I can almost see that happening right here on CF eventually.

** FOOD FOR THOUGHT: Would you let someone into your church if he or she continuously shouted blasphemous words (WITHOUT remorse) at the clergy or the congregation...?

This is what I have been seeing here lately, and it sure doesn't feel safe OR nice...

I'm sorry that you lost a friend. That can be a devestating blow. God's grace and comfort you you and to yours.

Specifically, how were you attacked by non-Christians? "Attack" can mean anything from simple disagreement to sarcasm to name-calling to threats of violence. How are you using it in this instance?

As for this:

In many countries, Christians are persecuted for their faith. I can almost see that happening right here on CF eventually.

Spare me.

 

[ALiberalTeen]

My opinion, maybe non Christians should start their own web site and not call it a Christian Forum?

Or maybe we should try to spread the gospel?

 

[HisGrace58]

I'm sorry that you lost a friend. That can be a devestating blow. God's grace and comfort you you and to yours.

Specifically, how were you attacked by non-Christians? "Attack" can mean anything from simple disagreement to sarcasm to name-calling to threats of violence. How are you using it in this instance?

As for this:



Spare me.

Spare yourself.

 

[ALiberalTeen]

Spare yourself.

How Christian...

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

Spare yourself.

If that's your attitude, your words aren't worth further consideration.

I mean, you're the one who compared the actual torture and execution of Christians to ideas expressed on this messageboard.

 

[DeaconDean]

I know of no Christian here that is promoting religious tolerance. Tolerance is one of my least favorite words, because it's so PC.

This isn't about religious tolerance. It's about leaving open the door to witness. If we can't witness, and minister to those who are hurting and without Christ, then what good are we? I can only sing hymns for so long, before a broken person catches my eye, and I have to stop, and talk to them about why I'm singing in the first place. Aren't we all like that? Christians, I mean. Don't we all desire this? Am I confusing us with somebody else?

Excuse me, my fault. I had this confused with another statement:

Is it a place for outreach to non-Christians? Again, there are hundreds of sites for that. Religious Tolerance is an example.

But still, if one says they are a Christian we are to accept that just because they say so.

"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." -Mt. 7:20 (KJV)

And regardless of what you think, accepting them as "Christian" just because they say so is "religious tolerance."

And exactly where does it say in the Bible for us to let them come to us? Doesn't it say:

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:" -Mt. 28:19-20 (KJV)

Now they can come to us. And at the same time, they can call themselves Christian while they're at it.

I must tolerate them? I must accept their "religion" just because they say so?

If it smells like religious tolerance, if it looks like religious tolerance, it must be religious tolerance.

M R Ducks! C M wangs.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[J4Jesus]

There really was not enough details on either option. And that could really make a difference in which to vote for. First of all this shouldn't be what WE want but what is the Lord's will in this matter?.


We don't know which way this will go, but which ever, the way it has been set up it can't work either way. It's not that one or the other is right or wrong, but the "How To...." part that needs to be changed, depending on what is to be accomplished.

I don't think the owner of a business who is an unbeliever would agree to allow Christians to makes policies, make judgment calls, and basically run it anyway they want. Their ideas and ways of thinking are totally the opposite. Starting out on the wrong foot is just asking for trouble. And the reverse would be true also. A Christian would not allow a non believer to pastor, advise their children, make decisions, and all that is involved. There is no way that will work.

If its to be a Christian site it can only work by honoring God and allowing the Bible to come first, without compromising it in any way. Everything in our Christian life is based on what God tells us in His Word. There is such a lack of reverence of the Lord everywhere in this day and age. Everyone should be respectful of each other. It is possible to do even if we don't always agree. We can still fellowship together.

Some people (no matter what faith or no faith) need a checkup from the neck up.

If it was a site so unbelievers could come, there would need to be respect from all to all. We need to be able to freely witness our faith and to evangelize without being silenced in any way when it comes to sharing any scripture on any topic because the Lord addresses every topic. We live by His Word. They can also share why they believe or not believe like they do, but always with repect.

Or it could be more or less a combination of both, had there been another choice.

If this is to continue as is, although of course it is an adjustment and transition, there still needs to be some major changes in HOW to do this. It is very chaotic, confusing and frustrating. It is not working this way. The only thing that can be done is seek God's Word and wisdom about the situation.

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

Excuse me, my fault. I had this confused with another statement:

Is it a place for outreach to non-Christians? Again, there are hundreds of sites for that. Religious Tolerance is an example.

But still, if one says they are a Christian we are to accept that just because they say so.

"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." -Mt. 7:20 (KJV)

And regardless of what you think, accepting them as "Christian" just because they say so is "religious tolerance."

And exactly where does it say in the Bible for us to let them come to us? Doesn't it say:

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:" -Mt. 28:19-20 (KJV)

Now they can come to us. And at the same time, they can call themselves Christian while they're at it.

I must tolerate them? I must accept their "religion" just because they say so?

If it smells like religious tolerance, if it looks like religious tolerance, it must be religious tolerance.

M R Ducks! C M wangs.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Ummm... yeah... I said that. In another thread.

As for Religious Tolerance Dot Org, I was simply using it as an example, like I did with Manna Cabana and Jesus-Is-Lord.

No endorsement of any of those sites was intended.

 

[GenemZ]

In many countries, Christians are persecuted for their faith.

And, if they have a genuine faith, it makes them stronger for it.

I can almost see that happening right here on CF eventually.

2 Timothy 3:12 (New International Version)
"In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted."
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Maybe, the Lord is finally promoting you? If you are living a godly life? It should happen at some point for testing.

** FOOD FOR THOUGHT: Would you let someone into your church if he or she continuously shouted blasphemous words (WITHOUT remorse) at the clergy or the congregation...?

We would not let anyone into our church if they shouted anything out at the clergy at all. Either, what seemed to be good, or bad.

Coming here is not to be confused with sitting in your own church. Its not.

This is what I have been seeing here lately, and it sure doesn't feel safe OR nice...[/QUOTE]

1 Peter 1:6-7 (New International Version)
"In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed."
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God is testing us all. To see what our faith is made of. To expose each one of us to testing so our deficiencies can become known to us, so we can seek greater truth that is needed to make us stronger in faith.

Those who are always sheltered and are never opposed? Will not have a faith that is strong. Being sheltered and always protected from negativity? Will cause an atrophy in one's faith.

But? There is an exception...

If you are very young in the Lord? (not speaking of your age, but how long you have been saved) you should not be where debates are taking place, other than to watch and learn.

Grace and peace, GeneZ
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[Lindon Tinuviel]

Oh, don't start that crap, too, genez.

There are people who are *REALLY FOR TRUE* dying for their beliefs. And you want to compare their suffering to opinions posted on the internet?

Once again -- and with feeling -- spare me.

 

[Angel4Truth]

I mean, you're the one who compared the actual torture and execution of Christians to ideas expressed on this messageboard.

And didnt you agree with an idea expressed that the conservatives here treat non believers and liberal christians like those at the begining of the holocaust?

Not sure what any propanganda like those has to do with this discussion. Maybe its best if we stick to the topic instead of attacking each other. What do you say?

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

Nope, Angel. You're thinking of somebody else. I think I jumped on AgnosticTeen for making that comparison, in fact.

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

Not sure what any propanganda like those has to do with this discussion. Maybe its best if we stick to the topic instead of attacking each other. What do you say?

Well, there is an old standby that some Christians like to use when they don't get their way:

I'm being persecuted! Look at the persecution! It's just like God said would happen! PERSECUTION!

It's stupidity. It muddles the issue, and it lends an appeal to emotion to the discussion which otherwise wouldn't exist.

 

[GenemZ]

You wish us all to leave. Noted.

She was only making a suggestion.

Your type of response tends to create a self fulfilling prophesy concerning such matters.


Be polite, and any differences in belief being debated should make no difference here. That is what this forum appears to be possibly heading towards.

Grace and peace, GeneZ
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[Angel4Truth]

It's stupidity. It muddles the issue, and it lends an appeal to emotion to the discussion which otherwise wouldn't exist.

Oh believe me i agree with that , like people saying conservatives fear non believers and hate them and want to kill all homosexuals and you want us all in a ghetto and on and on and on, i know exactly what you mean and agree.