At Crossroads -- Cf's Vision Discussion Thread - Please Vote in Poll Thread

[The Princess Bride]

Anyone else see the irony that the mods active in this thread, keeping the original poll open, etc. are Sparklecat and Raven, and that they've been even-handed and levelheaded, despite so many insulting their capability to mod this site?

A person's religion does not define their ability to help others and sort through problems, which is technically what a Mod should be doing.

I dont think the question is their ability to Mod,
I think the question is; "Should NC's be moderating a "MINISTRY/OUTREACH" geared site"?

If ministry and outreach is no longer going to be the primary goal, or even if it IS, in all fairness, I do not see anything that would inhibit our NC members from Moding, so long as it were the more OPEN geared sections, such as Support, Friendship, and Debate.

I think Congregation, Recovery, and Ministry should be left to Christian moderation though.

 

[Psalms34]

This is all so confusing.

I swore that I wasn't going to get involved in CF politics again.

Well don't feel left out there, I participate less at CF altogether. Over some time now it has been going in this direction, and I have told others [that asked privately] that it would get to this point and probably go beyond. I've seen a lot of bible believing Christians leave CF entirely and while the non-Christian [and anti-Christian] groups are pandered to and have grown dramatically. That is simply where they want to take CF, and then have an option to change it's name to something else. That's all she wrote.

 

[Loki]

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I think the question is; "Should NC's be moderating a "MINISTRY/OUTREACH" geared site"?

That may be your question, but there are many others calling for the removal of all non-Christian mods. I feel sorry for the both of them.

 

[Angel4Truth]

1130 users online now wow , it used to sit over 3000.

Pretty clear something needs to change here. Option number needs to be combined with an open for all area. Thats a real middle ground.

 

[Loki]

1130 users online now wow , it used to sit over 3000.

It was always over 3000? On a Saturday night? 1:30am on EST?

 

[Antihero202]

As an agnostic and a teenager, I encourage everyone to take my opinion with a grain of salt. I notice that many believe I, falling in line as a NC, am being pandered to. This is something that has certainly perplexed me, since the one time I did step out of line my post was deleted and I was notified immediately. I have never posted anything problematic since then, and that event in itself was a first time for me. One's faith icon does not make one above CF rules.

In regards to these options, I'm really not sure what they will encompass. I like the fact that I have the freedom to post wherever. At the same time, I try not to abuse that freedom by never dissuading anyone from their faith and what not.

If option two restricts non-Christians back to the sparsely populated pre 7/7/07 open forums, then I would vote for option one.

I as a non-Christian would never expect CF to take a neutral stance on any issue. This is a CHRISTIAN forum, and I would never dream of speaking out against a Christian website taking a Biblical stance on issues such as homosexuality, etc.

I do not mind that, according to the polls, Christians want this to remain a Christian site. I signed up with that in mind. The only thing I would dislike is rigid exclusivity, should option two take such a stance.

 

[The Princess Bride]

That may be your question, but there are many others calling for the removal of all non-Christian mods. I feel sorry for the both of them.

As do I.

 

[ALiberalTeen]

That may be your question, but there are many others calling for the removal of all non-Christian mods. I feel sorry for the both of them.

I do as well

 

[GenemZ]

LOL, the picture of Christianity painted here in this thread alone should make anyone wishing to inquire into this religion take note and step AWAY!

They are maybe not ready yet, then.

The same sort of thing has been going on for centuries, and people still become believers in Christ.

No excuses will be excepted in Heaven. For many of us believed in Christ in spite of all the stupidity and abuses we witnessed to. Its those who do believe under these circumstances, that leave those who use these conflicts as an excuse for not believing, to be without excuse.

In salvation, the issue is Christ. Not the confusion of believers. If my salvation depended not on Christ? And what believers are like? I would have walked away. God draws men who are willing in their hearts to Christ. Not other believers...

It may be good for everyone in this forum to memorize the following passage:

1 Corinthians 11:18-19 (New International Version)
"In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God's approval."
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That should be the banner for the Forum, perhaps?

Anyone who thinks God expects all believers to agree on all issues? Does not understand enough about God's plan. Nor, God.

To think that any one Church is to make sure all saints are to believe as it dictates what to believe? So there could be unity? Has no clue as to what God is after concerning the souls of those who are his.

"No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God's approval."


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In Christ, GeneZ
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[MariaRegina]

Good question.

One possible solution that has been proposed already is to run 2 sites, one that is open, another that is Christians-only, based on the same membership data.

It's entirely possible. The previous version of CF is very similar, with 2 sections, one open and one close. The aim of the new system was to establish something like that but with members agreeing to do it themselves, but it hasn't worked out over the past month.

The ultimate aim would be to keep the good things of the recent changes such as moderator transparency, and see if we can formalise the wiki usage a bit more in a way that is acceptable (the wiki collaborative process is still the best process to get consensus for rules and guidelines).

There is no question that CF has 2 large groups of membership together, and to be honest, that is fantastic, because not many sites on the Internet are able to bring these 2 groups of people together into a place for discussion.

It is possible that Option 1 and Option 2 can be combined together into a middle ground of Option 3 since this is what the poll is really showing us (and I had hoped that the current CF setup would have been the Option 3, since it has elements of both, but apparently not). So the question is, if that's the answer (and I'm not saying it is at this stage), what would Option 3 look like?

It's a question that's does not have an easy answer.

Option 3 is right now.

A. Wikis will continue, right?

However, the wikis are a problem.With the rules, it took a long time to find the thread where the current rules were being discussed. I found the old thread, but I had to ask where the new one was.

Sadly, very few people are working on them, and then some people are really addicted and do almost all the work, forgoing sleep. It become pathologically addictive. The Wiki becomes their baby.

I don't know. Personally, I have confused feelings.

Something is not right.

God is not relative. His laws are fixed.

God is the Truth. He is incomprehensible, unchangeable, indefinable, uncircumscribable, immortal, invisible, unknowable, and totally holy (above us).

Our rules should have some stability and not be continually changing like the most current women's fashions or like Hollywood's PG ratings which have slipped to become more like the R ratings of old.

B. I think we should return to the warning system where after three strikes in a week or a month members will be suspended for a cool down period with some flexibility. Furthermore, I think that mods and members should have a chance to vote on a member's right to return early especially if that person has experienced a change of heart.

C. Maybe a probationary period can be imposed with some feedback adopting a policy similar to academic probation in college, where users will be limited to a certain number of posts per day. Some Yahoo Groups only allow 10 posts per day, and that policy does help those people who need to have set boundaries and more structure than others.

D. I really like the exceptional modding skills of Sparklecat and Ravenscape. They are very kind, fair, and wonderful women. I see nothing wrong with having them continue to serve as moderators in Support.

I hope these thoughts help.

Prayerfully in Christ,
Elizabeth

 

[Psalms34]

Well if I need to play the bad guy here than not only do I vote for “2. Return to a more restricted Christians-only site with a heavy emphasis on uniting mainstream Christians only with a less emphasis on outreach, in which case we keep the name.” (though I would not word it that way at all, that's a hard spin) but also call for the removal of non-Christian mods etc… a FULL return. Well, that’s pretty much all I have left to say.

 

[ALiberalTeen]

Well if I need to play the bad guy here than not only do I vote for “2. Return to a more restricted Christians-only site with a heavy emphasis on uniting mainstream Christians only with a less emphasis on outreach, in which case we keep the name.” but also call for the removal of non-Christian mods etc… a FULL return. Well, that’s pretty much all I have left to say.

Why would anyone want to get rid of the non-Christian mods

Their both doing awesome

 

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I'll leave you with this one last comment.

If the Apostles had chosen option 2, to keep to themselves, enjoying one another, learning from one another, building one another up in their faith....

None of you would know Jesus right now. CF Wouldn't exist. You wouldn't have your churches, your pastor, the prayers of your loved ones.

Think about it.

Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

Yeah - but the problem on CF is that it was the Mods (all theoretically Christian) who were doing it.

In fact it was internal CF Mod recommendation that Mods have sock puppets to debate with. The problem was there were some extreme abuses of this where Mods used their socks to incite members and then have the Mod part ban them.

IMO this was disturbing policy.

Feel like naming names, Kerr? People who would do what you described don't need to be here. Not now, not ever.

If they really did that, and evidence can be provided, I'm all for a good old-fashioned tarring-and-feathering. Ride 'em out on a rail.

Bring your own pitchfork.

 

[GenemZ]

Let me ask everyone. How does taking the Christian out of the name attract more believers or unbelievers?

Almost everyone who found this place (and stayed) had the word "Christian" - or, "Christianity"- typed in the search box.

Atheists do seek out Christian forums. As well as Christians. They keyword is "Christian."

Who does a search with the generic term, "forum?"

What ever brought everyone here? The keyword was "Christian." It still will.

I think some want to change the name out of resentment of Erwin opening the jail cells of those whom the legalists loved having under their thumbs. Some are now trying to stick it to Erwin who saw the abuses, which they deny were abuses.

In Christ, GeneZ
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[Svt4Him]

I think keep the name but #1. So that's not really an option though?

 

[Miracle Storm]

That may be your question, but there are many others calling for the removal of all non-Christian mods. I feel sorry for the both of them.

Loki at first this was my view. I didn't want any nC moderating CF in anyway.
After seeing raven kick the trolls out of the CB and then speaking with her briefly I think differently now. I have known her for quite a while and like I said I don't think she would try to push non christian views on anyone.
As long as non Christian moderators were kept on boards such as relaxation, support or debate I think most Christians would be okay with it as long as evenly there are Christians working along side them.

I would like to have back Christians only Section though.
Why?
Because I like discussing Theology and such with people of like minds, people who are Christian.

Do I mind if someone wants an "unorthodox christian icon" No in fact I suggested it in the staff conferance room before. Who are we to say who is Christian if they are saved.
I just can't stand seeing people faking Christianity just to make a mockery, but that's bound to happen and they are just trolls.

Do I think moderators should be checking people's bedrooms or adamently checking into their beliefs as if to be an inquisitor? No

Do I think we need our rules back? YES! To some degree YES. WIKI BE GONE!!
Right now it's to the point where members do not know where the rules are and half the staff....
Plus I think it best that rules be based on Biblical standards as we want this to stay a Christian based site. Mob rule aint cool...
Do I think warnings should be added back to the rules? Yes.
Why? Moderators have no platform to stand on right now. The only thing they can do is edit and delete and people are taking advantage of that big time.
There is no reason to even report them I have never seen reports this backed up when I was on staff.
This should not be happening. We don't need mod sitters, but we do need rules set into place because there needs to be boundaries and that's anywhere you go, in life, on the net....

Out with voting moderators in. Moderating is serious, it's not a popularity contest and it shouldn't be treated as one.

Non Christian moderators should not be moderating anything having to do with a Christian only section nor do I believe it would be good to have them moderating recovery for a meriod of reasons...

We want our Christian only sections back, at least alot of us do.
Now as far as adding more forums for Christians to interact with non christians I'm for that.
But I would like to add I want the teens kept safe, heavily moderated by Christians.

I'm one of the toughest cookies here that has been against this "vision"
So I'm hoping that in this you all see some middle ground..

ETA
also some of the staff forums such as the conference rooms, training area and HQ should be in private. I think the way the reports are working is fine. But there are things that need to be discussed privately...

 

[Miracle Storm]

I'll leave you with this one last comment.

If the Apostles had chosen option 2, to keep to themselves, enjoying one another, learning from one another, building one another up in their faith....

None of you would know Jesus right now. CF Wouldn't exist. You wouldn't have your churches, your pastor, the prayers of your loved ones.

Think about it.

Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Yes we would Adiya. Outreach is up to each individual, it can't be written into policy.
That is on each Christian member's shoulders including staff.

 

[The Princess Bride]

Word, M_S.


For some odd reason, I keep thinking of that new Tracy Lawrence song, "Find Out Who Your Friends Are" right now...or maybe I'm just overly tired.

 

[Alice the Sister]

Why does it matter, aren't there better things to argue about?