At Crossroads -- Cf's Vision Discussion Thread - Please Vote in Poll Thread

[Lisa0315]

The Gospel is messy business. It gravitates to bad neighborhoods and discarded people. It climbs over fences and burrows under them to access the ruins where the powers-that-be have finished extracting what they desired and have moved on. Its tenderest and most profound work is done in deep secret in incomprehensible circumstances...


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This is the signature of an atheist who added this since new CF began. This is powerful, people, powerful. This is a heart being softened and a soul on the way to salvation.

Please, please reconsider your positions. If only this one soul is saved because of new CF, it will all have been worth it!

Lisa​

 

[sparklecat]

with all due respect Concetta... I'm sure that a good moderator would refer such religious questions and/or prayer requests/issues to fellow Christian moderators right now today, but what about tomorrow? There is no guarantee that the future new non-Christian mods will also do this.

May I suggest that it's not really fair on us to start from the assumption that we're going to lie about our intentions and abuse our positions?


Some people might do this, yes. But then, there is no guarantee that an unbeliever won't pretend to be a Christian in order to lure people away, or that a professed Christian won't abuse the trust placed in them by interacting inappropriately with underage members, or any number of other things. In fact, it probably will happen eventually; this is a big site with quite a turnover for moderators. That doesn't make it right to turn away anyone who shares the views of these potential abusers because of what they could do.



It could be written into the moderator protocol that non-Christian moderators will always start by offering to refer anyone who approaches them on faith-related matters. Once that's done... is there any reason to assume non-Christians are less trustworthy than Christians when they've sworn to abide by the rules and do the duty as they've agreed?

 

[seed757]

I personally don't see any difference between the "old" CF and the "new" CF. I only stick to the places where I feel comfortable, so I don't really roam in places where I might not find any productivity.

I don't think anyone really thought a Christian site was ever geared to be inter-religiously ecumenical. But it is nice to have discourse of varying beliefs.

So why not have the best of both worlds? I don't see how that is such a difficult task.

 

[Hentenza]

Christian Forums was started in 2001 as a "hobby" by Dr Erwin Loh, the founder and webmaster of Christian Forums.

Since then, Christian Forums has grown to become the world's largest Christian forums community website, and is one of the top 20 largest forums in the world. It now has tens of thousands of members and millions of posts from all over the world from people of all denominations and faiths.

This quote comes from "About Christian Forums" under the FAQs.

I don't know about anyone else but I did a search and found my way and chose this forum because of it's name. Could it be that the tens of thousands of other members did, also. I think it is the Christian Community that made this site what it is today and should continue in the original venue but make it better from within.

If there are things that need to change, who better than the Body of Christ can find the mind of Christ and change them.

I already voted in the other thread.

I agree. Well said.

 

[A New Dawn]

So, if I read the suggestion correctly, it would mean that non-Christian mods could only assist? So, they would not really be mods in truth. What would be the point?

Lisa

How is this different from what you are suggesting, that they only can be moderators and only in the open forums?

 

[ravenscape]

But will they? This is not meant as a slur, but a serious question. If someone PMs an atheist (or non-Christian) mod with problems they want to talk about, will they (the mod), unconditionally, send that person to a Christian mod or one of the chaplains? I am sure there will be the temptation to try to handle the issues themselves.

Since joining CF, people have confided in me or asked me who to go to for advice more than a few times. I've never hesitated to refer them to a Christian moderator or member who I knew had the experience and compassion to help them. That won't change as long as I am an active member.

 

[Lisa0315]

How is this different from what you are suggesting, that they only can be moderators and only in the open forums?

They aren't in the back of the bus saying Yes'm and No Suh! That would be the difference in my opinion.

Lisa

 

[A New Dawn]

well, i've got to hit the hay work tomorrow nighty night folks

Sleep tight!

 

[meh]

The Charge of Bigotry is based on allowing non-Christians onto the CF bus but making them sit in the back. They are to only drink from atheist water fountains, go to atheist schools, and there is a great fear that they may rape our souls.

Now that I think about it, I am pretty sure there were many Christians quoting Scripture to keep blacks in their "place" during the Civil Rights Movement.

Lisa

Yes, by all means keep equating me with people who would have rather seen an African-American lynched than drink from a water fountain with them. You know why? Because that is the absolute BEST way to get me to listen to your side of things and possibly re-evaluate my position.

In other words, would you knock it off? Some people think CF should be run differently than you apparently do. This doesn't make us evil, it doesn't mean we want to mistreat anyone, it doesn't mean I think atheists should be lynched, not go to the same school as my nephews or eat lunch with them. It simply means I don't think it's out of line, on this board, to have an area that is for Christians only and an area for everyone.

Do you see how people can believe that and also think Rosa Parks is a hero? I mean, are we getting that now?

I'm sorry if I sound snotty, but I've had enough of this charge frankly. It's disgusting.

 

[Mary_Magdalene]

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Break!


Hammer Time!
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[size=-2]Now, didn't that feel good?[/size]

cadan, cadan, cadan. I am so shocked you would say such a thing.





Don't you know, it's "STOP. Hammer Time!" not "BREAK. Hammer Time"

 

[sparklecat]

Since joining CF, people have confided in me or asked me who to go to for advice more than a few times. I've never hesitated to refer them to a Christian moderator or member who I knew had the experience and compassion to help them. That won't change as long as I am an active member.

I've only had one person approach me, actually; perhaps they're capable of noticing the atheist icon themselves and choosing someone else

 

[Hentenza]

The Gospel is messy business. It gravitates to bad neighborhoods and discarded people. It climbs over fences and burrows under them to access the ruins where the powers-that-be have finished extracting what they desired and have moved on. Its tenderest and most profound work is done in deep secret in incomprehensible circumstances...


come see
​

This is the signature of an atheist who added this since new CF began. This is powerful, people, powerful. This is a heart being softened and a soul on the way to salvation.

Please, please reconsider your positions. If only this one soul is saved because of new CF, it will all have been worth it!

Lisa​

We can still do that without changing CF. All we need to do is make it better and, seeing Erwins willingness to be democratic, we can do great things.

 

[Axver]

So a person without the Holy Spirit can?

I don't see why not. They can use their brains, after all.

 

[Stormy]

Where did the poll go?

 

[Lisa0315]

Yes, by all means keep equating me with people who would have rather seen an African-American lynched than drink from a water fountain with them. You know why? Because that is the absolute BEST way to get me to listen to your side of things and possibly re-evaluate my position.

In other words, would you knock it off? Some people think CF should be run differently than you apparently do. This doesn't make us evil, it doesn't mean we want to mistreat anyone, it doesn't mean I think atheists should be lynched, not go to the same school as my nephews or eat lunch with them. It simply means I don't think it's out of line, on this board, to have an area that is for Christians only and an area for everyone.

Do you see how people can believe that and also thinks Rosa Parks is a hero? I mean, are we getting that now?

I'm sorry if I sound snotty, but I've had enough of this charge frankly. It's disgusting.

Well, before you continue being snippy with me, I was just answering a question. Out of context, I suppose it may seem like an attack, but it wasn't. It was an explanation of why the word bigotry was being used in the context of this thread.

Lisa

 

[Lisa0315]

We can still do that without changing CF. All we need to do is make it better and, seeing Erwins willingness to be democratic, we can do great things.

You do not understand! This person has added all of this BECAUSE of her participation in the new process. She has worked side by side with Christians and her entire view of us and our religion has CHANGED.

Lisa

 

[sparklecat]

Where did the poll go?

Hi Stormy,


The poll is attached to the thread Erwin started. We've put the discussion into this thread so that the other one isn't automatically locked when it hits 1000 posts, thus closing the poll as well.

 

[meh]

Well, before you continue being snippy with me, I was just answering a question. Out of context, I suppose it may seem like an attack, but it wasn't. It was an explanation of why the word bigotry was being used in the context of this thread.

Lisa

And I was showing you why it's disgusting. It can be bigotry in a different way, but people really need to quit comparing me to a lynch mob, know what I'm saying? And I mean a real, honest-to-God lynch mob. Disgusting.

 

[ZACTAK]

Yes, by all means keep equating me with people who would have rather seen an African-American lynched than drink from a water fountain with them. You know why? Because that is the absolute BEST way to get me to listen to your side of things and possibly re-evaluate my position.

In other words, would you knock it off? Some people think CF should be run differently than you apparently do. This doesn't make us evil, it doesn't mean we want to mistreat anyone, it doesn't mean I think atheists should be lynched, not go to the same school as my nephews or eat lunch with them. It simply means I don't think it's out of line, on this board, to have an area that is for Christians only and an area for everyone.

Do you see how people can believe that and also think Rosa Parks is a hero? I mean, are we getting that now?

I'm sorry if I sound snotty, but I've had enough of this charge frankly. It's disgusting.

:AMEN:

I think what many people are forgetting to realize is that during the times of segregation the whites were not allowed to be around the blacks and the blacks were definitely not allowed to be around the whites... The CO area, non-Christians are still allowed to post in Open threads, as well as post among Christians in the open area...

I find it disheartening and SAD that people would compare this to anything like that... people were murdered and brutally beaten, along with jailed because of segregation.. by bringing that down to this level, you are causing them to have done all of this in vain... having a special area for Christians only is not segregation, nor anything even remotely close to it!

 

[Mary_Magdalene]

Since joining CF, people have confided in me or asked me who to go to for advice more than a few times. I've never hesitated to refer them to a Christian moderator or member who I knew had the experience and compassion to help them. That won't change as long as I am an active member.

what about an issue such as promotion of other religions? How do you think , on an issue such as that (where there is usually a fine line) a non-beliver mod would rule? on the biblical side or the worldly side?

one only needs to look at the Wiki are of Non-Christian religion and see where that ruling would be...