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I didn't miss the point. I thought the point was not very enlightened. That's what you did not understand.
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universalmessenger
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yes i realize that. and i'm saying the only reason u feel like this:
I thought the point was not very enlightened.
is bc u missed the point.
I thought the point was not very enlightened.
is bc u missed the point.
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universalmessenger
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elijah u still haven't answered my question: how could Christianity have prevented the Holocaust? i'm waiting.
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universalmessenger
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when u come to the conclusion that u can not answer this question. logically speaking of course. THEN u've gotten THE POINT!
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What part of "obeying do not murder" is confusing or needs explanation?
Galatians 3:28
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
What is confusing about "obeying that"?
A christian is someone who obeys and believe what Jesus taught. What is confusing, needs explanation or repetition about that?
"obeying Love your enemies" what is confusing about that?
You asked me to answer your questions which I did, despite the questions being ridiculous. If you're going to act like those simple answers are confusing enough to go 3 pages over, obviously you are not sincere, and you only asked those questions to promote controversy.
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universalmessenger
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oh and i see where ur getting lost @.... ur looking for some ENLIGHTENMENT. SOME DIVINE WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE... lol. now i get it. this is just plain simple common sense. use some common sense when answering the question below.
how could Christianity have prevented the Holocaust?
then u will see what i'm talking about.
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Right! How logical of you! I suppose the muslims should ignore the Quran and claim to be muslim? What planet are you from with your logic? You're not even using logic, you're merely arguing that if I claim to be a Christian but ignore what Christ taught entirely, it would only take a logical person to realise that I follow who I claim to profess.
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universalmessenger
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i don't think u understand. people will use their faith- regardless of what they believe- to justify hate, to justify war, to justify bigotry etc. it's been that way seen the dawn of time. it's a ridiculous notion to assume Christianity is any different. ur telling me GOD says do not kill. yet throughout the Old Testament the LORD ordered the Israelites to besiege villages left and right. and the LORD ordered them to leave NO survivors behind. so now what? That's exactly what Hitler tried to do. so couldn't he be considered a "faithful" Christian from that standpoint???
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A lot of us Christians usually get that response. How many different ways can someone tell the same thing over and over.
1 Peter 4:7 Of all all-things The/to <3588> End/teloV <5056>hath Come Nigh/hggiken <1448>; be sober-minded, then, and watch unto the prayers,
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Only by someone who is very ignorant (see a previous post for the qualification of that). There is a reason I said If "all of Germany were real Christians" and there is a reason I said all religions have fake adherents in previous posts. I don't know what was so difficult for you to either agree with or disagree with in all those posts I made several pages ago.
I think what you meant is: "i'm thur dealing with u. u won't accept the logic of my argument as valid, it doesn't mean u don't understand the logic. I'm fed up"
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"Faithful"
1. Adhering firmly and devotedly, as to a person, cause, or idea; loyal.
http://www.answers.com/faithful?cat=technology
Which was Hitler: a faithful Nazi or a faithful Christian or both?
1. Adhering firmly and devotedly, as to a person, cause, or idea; loyal.
http://www.answers.com/faithful?cat=technology
Which was Hitler: a faithful Nazi or a faithful Christian or both?
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universalmessenger
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first ur implying that people do not have fundamental morals and values outside of the Christian faith- as if Christ is the only one that can say DO NOT KILL- i admit, that's a real brain teaser. i don't know how we could've ever come up with that one on our own....
secondly, do u realize u R ONLY DEFINING "TRUE CHRISTIAN MORALS AND VALUES" based SOLELY on UR INTERPRETATION AND CONCEPTS about the BIBLE??? but then u declare that had "the Germans" (the entire population of Germany!!!!) all been TRUE Christians then the Holocaust would've never took place. so ur implying that they all have to think just like u- in regards to Christianity and the Bible- in order to b deemed as such. do u know how idiotic this sounds??? to this very day, Christians can't even agree on a denomination, Christ's skin color, his birth, his death, his resurrection (mind u these r all just the trivial matters) but then u expect an entire nation of people to interpret the Word of GOD exactly as u do...... r u serious??? the sad part is, that's ur only defense too. lol.
so ideally speaking, without using logic of course, Hitler was suppose to pick up the Bible and instantaneously realize the calling GOD had placed on his life. then he sees the error of his ways. he repents. seeks salvation. and lets all the Jews go. and everybody lives happily ever after in Christ. right???
is that how ur fairytale goes???
i think u need to fly to the moon to catch up with that dream bc ur NOT dealing with reality.
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I have read every post, sentence and every word you've written & I understood your argument. I am not going to repeat myself anymore. Your problem is arguing and not learning anything about we believe, fundamentally. I've said everything I need to say. If you want to believe I said something different, that's your choice.
Enjoy.
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Technically an Agnostic does'nt know if there could be a creatiove intelligence of "some sort" or not. But Many Agnostics, whilst open to the "possibility" of a Deistic first cause, can honestly say what the evidence suggests{dare I say-"proves"} that "theistic" sky-parent type deities DO NOT EXIST.
I'm on of those, I'm Agnostic Athiest, I think it's pretty possible that a deistic force may exist, but theistic ones- especially really human like ones from revealed religions like the Abrahamic religions, CANNOT EXIST!
I take it a step futher too. given certian possibilites{though "very slight"} that there could be polytheistic gods in the "probable" multiverse{multiverse is theory, not proven, but highly possible if not probable], MONOTHEISM CANNOT BE TRUE PERIOD!!!
polytheism has a incredibly slight chance giuven theories like multiverse and many others, but VERY SLIGHT; Pantheism is a little more possible than both{but still unlikely, since theism is absurd given the nature of the universe; though PanDEISM is possible}.
Given the fact though that we can trace most{if not all} polytheistic deities back through the gods that they developed from, or the concepts from other cultures that they developed from{study of mythology and anthropology and so on}, it is highly unlikely.
Given all of this, an Agnostic is really only agnostic in the sense that they don't knowm and can't prove one way or the other a deistic force of some sort.
It is perfectly ok to say that theism, or at leats most theisms{most polytheism, and certianly all monotheism} CANNOT BE! It's perfectly acceptable to close your mind to the blatantly impossible.
I will be tolerant towards thei8sts, monotheists, and polytheists; and even leave polytheists{mostly; a few polytheisms have harmful aspects} to their own devices of belief; but monotheism -I see no reaosn to show it any regards or respects.
Religious tolerance is important in society. However, "acceptance" should not be mistaken for "tolerance".
Most people whom speak of "religio9us tolerance", mostly form the left, tend to see the world through rose coloured "all beliefs and unbeliefs are equally valid" universlaistic eyes; which is complete naeivety, and ignorance, and oddly enougha form of reverse intolerance towards those that simply call it as the evidence and reason suggests.
Tolerance does not mean thinking every view is equally valid or acceptable; evidence and reason arfe paraomount to going beyond toleration to acceptance or non-criticism.
In Reason:
Irrev.Bill
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