Religious intolerance :(

[Snowbunny]

Technically an Agnostic does'nt know if there could be a creatiove intelligence of "some sort" or not. But Many Agnostics, whilst open to the "possibility" of a Deistic first cause, can honestly say what the evidence suggests{dare I say-"proves"} that "theistic" sky-parent type deities DO NOT EXIST.
I'm on of those, I'm Agnostic Athiest, I think it's pretty possible that a deistic force may exist, but theistic ones- especially really human like ones from revealed religions like the Abrahamic religions, CANNOT EXIST!

I take it a step futher too. given certian possibilites{though "very slight"} that there could be polytheistic gods in the "probable" multiverse{multiverse is theory, not proven, but highly possible if not probable], MONOTHEISM CANNOT BE TRUE PERIOD!!!
polytheism has a incredibly slight chance giuven theories like multiverse and many others, but VERY SLIGHT; Pantheism is a little more possible than both{but still unlikely, since theism is absurd given the nature of the universe; though PanDEISM is possible}.
Given the fact though that we can trace most{if not all} polytheistic deities back through the gods that they developed from, or the concepts from other cultures that they developed from{study of mythology and anthropology and so on}, it is highly unlikely.

Given all of this, an Agnostic is really only agnostic in the sense that they don't knowm and can't prove one way or the other a deistic force of some sort.
It is perfectly ok to say that theism, or at leats most theisms{most polytheism, and certianly all monotheism} CANNOT BE! It's perfectly acceptable to close your mind to the blatantly impossible.
I will be tolerant towards thei8sts, monotheists, and polytheists; and even leave polytheists{mostly; a few polytheisms have harmful aspects} to their own devices of belief; but monotheism -I see no reaosn to show it any regards or respects.

Religious tolerance is important in society. However, "acceptance" should not be mistaken for "tolerance".
Most people whom speak of "religio9us tolerance", mostly form the left, tend to see the world through rose coloured "all beliefs and unbeliefs are equally valid" universlaistic eyes; which is complete naeivety, and ignorance, and oddly enougha form of reverse intolerance towards those that simply call it as the evidence and reason suggests.

Tolerance does not mean thinking every view is equally valid or acceptable; evidence and reason arfe paraomount to going beyond toleration to acceptance or non-criticism.

In Reason:
Irrev.Bill

hola

i very much agree with the emboldened part... i think 'religious tolerance' as we frequently see it is 'everything is equal' which is a taciturn way of making a specific religious conviction into a social moral.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[universalmessenger]

i very much agree with the emboldened part... i think 'religious tolerance' as we frequently see it is 'everything is equal' which is a taciturn way of making a specific religious conviction into a social moral.

at it's core it is about social morals. AND??? but it is NOT about "everything is equal", at all. how could it b??? that would imply that we should accept one another's views regardless of what they believe in. meaning that we are suppose to view devil worshippers and religions with human sacrifices the same way we view our own faith. i can assure u this will never happen...

these social morals stand alone on the most basic fundamental principle of human nature: "Every person interprets LIFE in HIS or HER own way."

so u can choose to accept or disagree with another person's religion and viewpoints on faith. that's ok. but what most people fail to realize is that this is simply THEIR little minuscule interpretation of life NOT EVERYBODY ELSE'S. (like Elijah did earlier in this thread).... bc they r blind to this, people attack one another and proclaim that "ONLY THEY" follow "THE ONE TRUE WAY" to GOD. and there only defense is to attack the opposition with unsubstantiated claims that their beliefs are wrong. this is where the social morals of fairness and justice (NOT EQUALITY!) along with a little bit of common sense, i might add, would come into play.

arguments like: "my GOD is better then ur GOD..."

arguments like: "my faith is the ONLY TRUE WAY to GOD and the rest will BURN in HELL!!"

arguments like: "GOD ONLY LOVES ONE RELIGION OUT OF THE ENTIRE WORLD OF PEOPLE here on this PLANET and it always seems to be the exact same ONE U believe in...

arguments like: ALL UR BELIEFS ARE WRONG BC U DON'T BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD I DO!!!!

if everybody used just a little more common sense then people would recognize how truly ridiculous these notions are.

 

[czach8]

Wow this is so beautiful! i felt like it described me to the T! i told u i didn't know where i fit in. but now it makes perfect sense. but i did not understand this line:

The greatest aspect of Lao Tzu's work is that his scripture can be added to any religion. In other words, you can be a Christian, a Hindu, a Muslim, etc to simply relate to these ancient Chinese scriptures. According to the Universal Way, God does not negelect nor discrimate any life being based on culture, color, race, and even religion for that matter.

Hua Hu Ching Chp 31 says, "God doesn't come and go. It is always present everywhere, just like the sky. If your mind is clouded, you won't see it, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. All misery is created by the activity of the mind. Can you let go of words and ideas, attitudes and expectations? If so, then the Tao will loom into view. Can you be still and look inside? If so, then you will see that the truth is always available, always responsive."

You see, that which has form is equal to that which is without form, and that which is alive is equal to that which rests.

The biggest misconception religious partisan adherents commit is believing God has a specific form and name. Muslims do believe God is formless, but even they cling to the words "Islam" and "Muhammad" to prove their points. They just do not have the capacity to let go of such mental concepts, and transcend into the true nature of God. For instance:

Hua Hu Ching chp 22 says, "How can the divine Oneness be seen? Only in beautiful forms, breathtaking wonders, and awe-inspiring miracles? The Tao is obliged to present itself in deep ways, but people only see the surfaces. It is always present and always available. When speech is exhausted and mind dissolved, it presents itself. When clarity and purity are cultivated, it reveals itself. When sincerity is unconditional, it unveils itself. If you are willing to be lived by it, you will see it everywhere, even in the most ordinary things.

The bible clearly complements the above verses. Check it out sister.

Genesis 1:12, "Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

do u do i-ching???

I do read the I Ching for guidance and references, but I never dare use it as a form of divination. Unfortunately, people use the I Ching for this purpose which was not meant to be 3000 years ago when it was first written.

Peace and God bless.

 

[Snowbunny]

at it's core it is about social morals. AND??? but it is NOT about "everything is equal", at all. how could it b??? that would imply that we should accept one another's views regardless of what they believe in. meaning that we are suppose to view devil worshippers and religions with human sacrifices the same way we view our own faith. i can assure u this will never happen...

these social morals stand alone on the most basic fundamental principle of human nature: "Every person interprets LIFE in HIS or HER own way."

so u can choose to accept or disagree with another person's religion and viewpoints on faith. that's ok. but what most people fail to realize is that this is simply THEIR little minuscule interpretation of life NOT EVERYBODY ELSE'S. (like Elijah did earlier in this thread).... bc they r blind to this, people attack one another and proclaim that "ONLY THEY" follow "THE ONE TRUE WAY" to GOD. and there only defense is to attack the opposition with unsubstantiated claims that their beliefs are wrong. this is where the social morals of fairness and justice (NOT EQUALITY!) along with a little bit of common sense, i might add, would come into play.

arguments like: "my GOD is better then ur GOD..."

arguments like: "my faith is the ONLY TRUE WAY to GOD and the rest will BURN in HELL!!"

arguments like: "GOD ONLY LOVES ONE RELIGION OUT OF THE ENTIRE WORLD OF PEOPLE here on this PLANET and it always seems to be the exact same ONE U believe in...

arguments like: ALL UR BELIEFS ARE WRONG BC U DON'T BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD I DO!!!!

if everybody used just a little more common sense then people would recognize how truly ridiculous these notions are.

hola universalmessenger

i disagree with some of what you are saying. i hesitate to think there are any 'fundamental principles of human nature,' because human nature is so multi layered... in many ways we are still animals and in other ways we are varying levels of sophistocation above that.

however i think God endowed all people with the powerful gifts of sentience and free will, and that gives us the opportunity to trust God and navigate ourselves through life in individual ways... or to reject God and become lost following other things.

i think humanism tends to worship these gifts instead of the God that bestowed them.

when we affirm that there is 'one God' and 'one way' to salvation, we are affirming our belief that God is not playing a game with us. He did not give us sentience and free will then say 'figure it out,' we are not mice in a maze... there is true guidance for everything we will encounter. this affirmation is itself a gift.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[NOTW]

at it's core it is about social morals. AND??? but it is NOT about "everything is equal", at all. how could it b??? that would imply that we should accept one another's views regardless of what they believe in. meaning that we are suppose to view devil worshippers and religions with human sacrifices the same way we view our own faith. i can assure u this will never happen...

these social morals stand alone on the most basic fundamental principle of human nature: "Every person interprets LIFE in HIS or HER own way."

so u can choose to accept or disagree with another person's religion and viewpoints on faith. that's ok. but what most people fail to realize is that this is simply THEIR little minuscule interpretation of life NOT EVERYBODY ELSE'S. (like Elijah did earlier in this thread).... bc they r blind to this, people attack one another and proclaim that "ONLY THEY" follow "THE ONE TRUE WAY" to GOD. and there only defense is to attack the opposition with unsubstantiated claims that their beliefs are wrong. this is where the social morals of fairness and justice (NOT EQUALITY!) along with a little bit of common sense, i might add, would come into play.

arguments like: "my GOD is better then ur GOD..."

arguments like: "my faith is the ONLY TRUE WAY to GOD and the rest will BURN in HELL!!"

arguments like: "GOD ONLY LOVES ONE RELIGION OUT OF THE ENTIRE WORLD OF PEOPLE here on this PLANET and it always seems to be the exact same ONE U believe in...

arguments like: ALL UR BELIEFS ARE WRONG BC U DON'T BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD I DO!!!!

if everybody used just a little more common sense then people would recognize how truly ridiculous these notions are.

What you are ultimately telling everyone is to be open-minded. However, that does NOT require everyone to accept or adopt other people's opinions. To be open-minded is to only understand the other point of view on the subject but not necessarily accept it.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

arguments like: "GOD ONLY LOVES ONE RELIGION OUT OF THE ENTIRE WORLD OF PEOPLE here on this PLANET and it always seems to be the exact same ONE U believe in...

arguments like: ALL UR BELIEFS ARE WRONG BC U DON'T BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD I DO!!!!

Christianity may believe in the One true God/Creator of the Bible and the Lord Jesus sent by Him, but views on the Bible itself is like looking at a block of "swiss cheese".
catholic vs non-catholic. Orthodox vs non-Orthodox. Trinity vs non-Trinity. Etc.

Even the religions of Judaism and Islam do not differ as much as "churcianity" does on God. This is why we have a more difficult time with debate against other religions and non-religions. Just my humble view.

http://www.creeds.net/

The Creeds and Confessions produced by the Christian Church over the centuries are not inspired additions to Scripture nor in any way replacements for the words of Christ and his apostles or the prophets which preceded them. Instead these human documents are carefully considered and usually thoughtfully worded responses to various issues, heresies and historical situations that have troubled the Church and the world over the centuries. Creeds are statements of faith that are true and authoritative insofar as they accurately reflect what Scripture teaches. Those linked here have been found useful either by the entire Church or by important segments and/or denominations of it over the ages. They are thus helpful "measuring sticks" for orthodoxy. Canons but not the canon.

 

[Bnet505]

There is definitely an atheist intolerance from my experience.

 

[universalmessenger]

What you are ultimately telling everyone is to be open-minded. However, that does NOT require everyone to accept or adopt other people's opinions. To be open-minded is to only understand the other point of view on the subject but not necessarily accept it.

exactly. ty. NOTW

 

[universalmessenger]

Christianity may believe in the One true God/Creator of the Bible and the Lord Jesus sent by Him, but views on the Bible itself is like looking at a block of "swiss cheese".

ty little. i'm saying.

 

[universalmessenger]

little u have just been inducted into "my" hall of fame!!! lol.

 

[universalmessenger]

these social morals stand alone on the most basic fundamental principle of human nature: "Every person interprets LIFE in HIS or HER own way."

i disagree with some of what you are saying. i hesitate to think there are any 'fundamental principles of human nature,'

r u for real??? granted i did not understand the rest of ur post but r u saying:

that this.... "Every person interprets LIFE in HIS or HER own way."..... DOES NOT HAPPEN??? or that it is NOT AN ABSOLUTE.

understand i am not saying that it is the ONLY 'fundamental principle of human nature; but, yes it is most definitely, a FACT of LIFE, and one of the most basic fundamental principles of human nature.

Every person interprets LIFE in HIS or HER OWN WAY.

THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE.

ABSOLUTE DEFINED:

Perfect or complete or pure
Complete and without restriction or qualification; sometimes used informally as intensifiers
Not limited by law
Expressing finality with no implication of possible change
Not capable of being violated or infringed
Something that is conceived or that exists independently and not in relation to other things; something that does not depend on anything else and is beyond human control; something that is not relative


sorry snowbunny, but if u believe otherwise.... then i am at a lost for words. someone else will just have to pick up the conversation from here. bc i can not help u.

 

[Snowbunny]

r u for real??? granted i did not understand the rest of ur post but r u saying:

that this.... "Every person interprets LIFE in HIS or HER own way."..... DOES NOT HAPPEN??? or that it is NOT AN ABSOLUTE.

be clear i am not saying that it is the ONLY 'fundamental principle of human nature; but, yes it is most definitely, a FACT of LIFE, and one of the most basic fundamental principles of human nature.

Every person interprets LIFE in HIS or HER OWN WAY.

THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE.

ABSOLUTE DEFINED:

Perfect or complete or pure
Complete and without restriction or qualification; sometimes used informally as intensifiers
Not limited by law
Expressing finality with no implication of possible change
Not capable of being violated or infringed
Something that is conceived or that exists independently and not in relation to other things; something that does not depend on anything else and is beyond human control; something that is not relative


sorry snowbunny, but if u believe otherwise.... then i am at a lost for words. someone else will just have to pick up the conversation from here. bc i can not help u.

hola universalmessenger

gracias for your further explanation. yes, i disagree with some of what you have said so far.

my first disagreement, as i explained before, is that given the evolving complexity of men i hesitate to say there are any fundamental 'inescapable' absolutes about human nature.

my second disagreement is that i do not believe 'everybody interprets life in their own way.' i think it is far too oversimplified, does not offer the choice of following God's plan for us and i do not believe it pays enough attention to the source of free will.

God has given everybody the gifts of sentience (self awareness) and free will. because of these people do have the capability to make their own way through life. but as i explained before God did not abandon us like mice in a maze to find our way out ourselves... i think that is the most significant problem i have with your central argument. we are not alone, there is always the clear and visible option to accept God's guidance in our lives. when we accept His guidance we are no longer 'interpreting life in our own way' but instead we are interpreting our lives in accordance with what God desired and planned for us. i believe that many people have chosen to do this, and since we all have the option, it seems a natural conclusion to me that not everybody interprets life in their own way... an alternative conclusion to the one you have drawn.

there is nothing wrong with acknowledging and choosing to follow 'God's way,' and abandoning the error of wandering through life by our own interpretations. when we make that decision we are recognizing (in humility) that we are not perfect and do not have the answers, that God has all the answers, and that we need God. the reward is that we are not lost anymore...

as i said before

when we affirm that there is 'one God' and 'one way' to salvation, we are affirming our belief that God is not playing a game with us. He did not give us sentience and free will then say 'figure it out,' we are not mice in a maze... there is true guidance for everything we will encounter.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[kunabi]

don't mean to interrupt your discussion but I have a few questions, if you don't mind.

God has given everybody the gifts of sentience (self awareness) and free will. because of these people do have the capability to make their own way through life.

Someone close to me, a kid, is mentally and physically challenged - He is aware of his needs like hunger and pleasure in toys and some usual things. I don't think he will ever understand religion or god. I know many people who fall in that category. I know a kid with congenital issue that could have survived if his family could afford the hospital.
The gift of self awareness - yes. I have seen it in almost all of them. The second gift, I have seen it missing when & where it is required the most. I don't mean to argue, I just want to know how you would explain this. I have tried but could not come up with a good explanation. The religion I was born into could not give me satisfactory answers.

but as i explained before God did not abandon us like mice in a maze to find our way out ourselves... i think that is the most significant

The misery in life of people around me makes me believe the opposite. I am not angry at god, I just think his non-existence explains it better.

as i said before

when we affirm that there is 'one God' and 'one way' to salvation, we are affirming our belief that God is not playing a game with us. He did not give us sentience and free will then say 'figure it out,' we are not mice in a maze... there is true guidance for everything we will encounter.

que Dios te bendiga

Again, I don't mean to be disrespectful but I always wonder why Abrahamic religions put so much importance in one god, one way. Wouldn't one god(or may be more), multiple ways be better to take care of the diversity god himself created?

 

[Snowbunny]

don't mean to interrupt your discussion but I have a few questions, if you don't mind.

hola kunabi

gracias for your questions, i do not mind at all, i think they are excellent questions

Someone close to me, a kid, is mentally and physically challenged - He is aware of his needs like hunger and pleasure in toys and some usual things. I don't think he will ever understand religion or god. I know many people who fall in that category. I know a kid with congenital issue that could have survived if his family could afford the hospital. The gift of self awareness - yes. I have seen it in almost all of them. The second gift, I have seen it missing when & where it is required the most. I don't mean to argue, I just want to know how you would explain this. I have tried but could not come up with a good explanation. The religion I was born into could not give me satisfactory answers.

i think sometimes forget that gifts from God sometimes need to come into fruition. what i mean is that when we are born we are given the gifts of sentience and free will... among a host of other gifts including life and the ability to make life, wisdom, teaching, leadership, showing mercy and to know and love God.

but even though God gave us these gifts at birth we do not come fully into ownership of them immediately. unfortunately sometimes people will go their entire lives without fully realizing or using the gifts God gives us. however unlike an infant very few people can say that they did not realize or use their gifts for reasons beyond their control.

for those who can say this was no fault of their own, we (Catholics) believe God holds them no more responsible for the repurcussions than a child... in a way they are in a state of permanent childhood, never able to progress further with their gifts (though they are present).

the important thing to remember is that even though their ability to choose their own way is inhibited... they are still guided by God and God still has a plan for them.

The misery in life of people around me makes me believe the opposite. I am not angry at god, I just think his non-existence explains it better.

i do not know what your specific life is like, but i have heard stories of people who experienced great suffering and were drawn closer to God on account of it... i
also know the things that have happened to me, and the impacts they have had on me, and that despite them i still believe.

in short... this is something between you and God. all i can say is that i think it is better to talk to Him about it, rather than turn away from Him entirely and believe He does not exist.

Again, I don't mean to be disrespectful but I always wonder why Abrahamic religions put so much importance in one god, one way. Wouldn't one god(or may be more), multiple ways be better to take care of the diversity god himself created?

i think the difference between our opinions here is that i believe God allows diversity on account of creating free will for us... i believe we have authored these other religions using our free will... i do not believe God authored them.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[universalmessenger]

RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY IS A FORM OF IGNORANCE.
it is a combination of discrimination, narrow-mindedness, and ignorance. It is NOT derived from true wisdom, enlightenment, or spiritual growth. In fact, it's just the opposite. Often times, people mistake man-made ordinances, which promote division and a false sense of superiority among our brothers and sisters, as divine decrees from heaven, as true revelations from GOD..... but this is not the case because the LORD does NOT play FAVORITES!!! TRUE DIVINE WISDOM is just the opposite. TRUE DIVINE WISDOM IS NOT hindered by mankind’s faulty judgment or religions' superficial restrictions..... ​

 

[universalmessenger]

hola universalmessenger

gracias for your further explanation. yes, i disagree with some of what you have said so far.

my first disagreement, as i explained before, is that given the evolving complexity of men i hesitate to say there are any fundamental 'inescapable' absolutes about human nature.

my second disagreement is that i do not believe 'everybody interprets life in their own way.' i think it is far too oversimplified, does not offer the choice of following God's plan for us and i do not believe it pays enough attention to the source of free will.

ok now i see why u disagree. but some people choose NOT to believe in GOD. and others do not believe in free will. so those aren't "ABSOLUTE" concepts about life. everybody interprets life in their own way is an ABSOLUTE. by definition.

God has given everybody the gifts of sentience (self awareness) and free will. because of these people do have the capability to make their own way through life. but as i explained before God did not abandon us like mice in a maze to find our way out ourselves... i personally do not believe that either. but again. those aren't ABSOLUTES. this is where ur getting confused. no one's interpretation of GOD is the same either. I 4 one believe the LORD is omniscient however there is a Baha'i who believes the LORD is ONLY omniscient for some. so who becomes right or wrong here??? i think that is the most significant problem i have with your central argument. we are not alone, there is always the clear and visible option to accept God's guidance in our lives. when we accept His guidance we are no longer 'interpreting life in our own way' but instead we are interpreting our lives in accordance with what God desired and planned for us. i believe that many people have chosen to do this, and since we all have the option, it seems a natural conclusion to me that not everybody interprets life in their own way... an alternative conclusion to the one you have drawn.
i disagree. even when we accept "the LORD" as u put it... we still have different interpretations of GOD. what do u think different denominations and religions are about in the first place. everybody interprets GOD differently....everybody.

there is nothing wrong with acknowledging and choosing to follow 'God's way,' "GOD's WAY" is not the same for everybody. it never has been. it never will be.... and abandoning the error of wandering through life by our own interpretations. when we make that decision we are recognizing (in humility) that we are not perfect and do not have the answers, that God has all the answers, and that we need God. the reward is that we are not lost anymore...when i'm saying "own" i am not saying apart from GOD.... i mean on an individual basis......

as i said before

when we affirm that there is 'one God' and 'one way' to salvation, we are affirming our belief that God is not playing a game with us. He did not give us sentience and free will then say 'figure it out,' we are not mice in a maze... there is true guidance for everything we will encounter.

que Dios te bendiga

i understand

 

[universalmessenger]

don't mean to interrupt your discussion but I have a few questions, if you don't mind.

Someone close to me, a kid, is mentally and physically challenged - He is aware of his needs like hunger and pleasure in toys and some usual things. I don't think he will ever understand religion or god. I know many people who fall in that category. I know a kid with congenital issue that could have survived if his family could afford the hospital.
The gift of self awareness - yes. I have seen it in almost all of them. The second gift, I have seen it missing when & where it is required the most. I don't mean to argue, I just want to know how you would explain this. I have tried but could not come up with a good explanation. The religion I was born into could not give me satisfactory answers.

The misery in life of people around me makes me believe the opposite. I am not angry at god, I just think his non-existence explains it better.

Again, I don't mean to be disrespectful but I always wonder why Abrahamic religions put so much importance in one god, one way. Wouldn't one god(or may be more), multiple ways be better to take care of the diversity god himself created?

lol. ur post was funny. everything u said makes my point. everybody interprets life in their own (individual) way.

 

[universalmessenger]

hola kunabi

gracias for your questions, i do not mind at all, i think they are excellent questions



i think sometimes forget that gifts from God sometimes need to come into fruition. what i mean is that when we are born we are given the gifts of sentience and free will... among a host of other gifts including life and the ability to make life, wisdom, teaching, leadership, showing mercy and to know and love God.

but even though God gave us these gifts at birth we do not come fully into ownership of them immediately. unfortunately sometimes people will go their entire lives without fully realizing or using the gifts God gives us. however unlike an infant very few people can say that they did not realize or use their gifts for reasons beyond their control. i didn't understand u here.

for those who can say this was no fault of their own, we (Catholics) believe God holds them no more responsible for the repurcussions than a child... in a way they are in a state of permanent childhood, never able to progress further with their gifts (though they are present).

the important thing to remember is that even though their ability to choose their own way is inhibited... they are still guided by God and God still has a plan for them. this belief is not an absolute. that's what u fail to realize. GOD is supernatural and does not exist in the flesh... as easy as it is for u to say, "I believe GOD DOES EXIST and the LORD is MY CREATOR" it is just as easy for others to believe and say "GOD DOES NOT EXIST." it's all based on personal interpretation of LIFE. PERIOD. No one is right or wrong for either of those beliefs. and the reason being, bc neither of them CAN BE PROVEN RIGHT OR WRONG! The Bible "can not" prove GOD's existence just like science "can not" disprove GOD's existence. it's all according to what u have "faith" in. faith, by it's very definition, is to have a belief in the "unseen" (defined: A strong belief in a supernatural [defined: Not existing in nature or subject to explanation according to natural laws; not physical or material] power or powers that control human destiny).

i do not know what your specific life is like, but i have heard stories of people who experienced great suffering and were drawn closer to God on account of it... i
also know the things that have happened to me, and the impacts they have had on me, and that despite them i still believe.

in short... this is something between you and God. all i can say is that i think it is better to talk to Him about it, rather than turn away from Him entirely and believe He does not exist.

i think the difference between our opinions here is that i believe God allows diversity on account of creating free will for us... i believe we have authored these other religions using our free will... i do not believe God authored them.

people need to stop trying to tell others there is "ONLY ONE WAY" until u can prove it then i would suggest stop using it. bc in actuality u don't know the actual facts. so stop trying to tell others that everything else is fake but their religion isn't.

que Dios te bendiga

snowbunny none of this was specifically directed at u. i was using the general form of "you" in my comments. ok.

 

[universalmessenger]

arguments like: "my GOD is better then ur GOD..."
arguments like: "my faith is the ONLY TRUE WAY to GOD and the rest will BURN in HELL!!"
arguments like: "GOD ONLY LOVES ONE RELIGION OUT OF THE ENTIRE WORLD OF PEOPLE here on this PLANET and it always seems to be the exact same ONE U believe in...
arguments like: ALL UR BELIEFS ARE WRONG BC U DON'T BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD I DO!!!!
if everybody used just a little more common sense then people would recognize how truly ridiculous these notions are.
i said this to u earlier.

 

[universalmessenger]

RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY IS A FORM OF IGNORANCE. ​

it is a combination of discrimination, narrow-mindedness, and ignorance. It is NOT derived from true wisdom, enlightenment, or spiritual growth. In fact, it's just the opposite. Often times, people mistake man-made ordinances, which promote division and a false sense of superiority among our brothers and sisters, as divine decrees from heaven, as true revelations from GOD..... but this is not the case because the LORD does NOT play FAVORITES!!! TRUE DIVINE WISDOM is just the opposite. TRUE DIVINE WISDOM IS NOT hindered by mankind’s faulty judgment or religions' superficial restrictions..... ​

IF GOD IS INFALLIBLE, OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, OMNIPRESENT THEN WOULDN'T THE LORD'S TRUE WORDS (A.KA. DIVINE WISDOM) ALSO FIT THAT DESCRIPTION???​