Pornography doesn’t exploit.

[quatona]

I just don’t agree that Pornography exploits.

I think it´s safe to say that there are cases where people are exploitet in the porn industry.
Then again, the same is safe to say about any other industry as well.

 

[Skaloop]

He might as well physically cheat...because he is using that woman to get him off

Are you seriously equating a couple watching porn together with actual physical sex outside of the marriage? That's absurd. I'd wager that in some cases, porn helps to prevent cheating because it offers a safe source of stimulation. I myself am fiercely monogamous, and porn does nothing at all to lessen that.

Even if you want to follow with the argument that lust is adultery, I can guarantee you that your husband feels lust for other women on a daily basis. Does that bother you as much as if he were having actual sex?

 

[Velo Princesse]

Your right it is a consumer driven world, but just because the world tries to convince you to buy it doesnt mean you should buy it.

This is very true. If you buy anything because the world tries to convince you to, you will probably not be happy with the purchase. Like American made cars, for example. You should only spend your money on things you want because you want them and not because you are trying to keep up with the Jones' or their sex life, as it were.

The things in this world are of this world, looking at porn doesnt further the kingdom of God

You are not in the CO section, so I'm sure you realize how much water statements like the above hold for some of the people in this conversation. I for one become very uncomfortable when people start talking about doing things to further the kingdom of their particular god.

 

[Jacey]

My husband and I have a Hustler subscription, and we both look at it and enjoy it. We're over 18 and the models are over 18. I have no guilt whatsoever about it.

Any extra issues you want to get rid of?

This topic is rather dumb. Porn is a business, a heavily regulated one at that, and although some porn is more hardcore than others, it is very lucrative, the real reason there are thousands of women in the biz and thousands more trying to get in.

 

[Bianca87]

Okay. But looking at porn is lusting after another....Jesus said that anyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart....if he looked at porn and find arousal in that by looking at other womans bodies that really wouldnt bother you? Its like inviting other women into your marriage...whether real or imaginary its still cheating. He might as well physically cheat...because he is using that woman to get him off

it would not bug me i guess, there are many and many things in men that bug me more than imaginary (?) or physical cheating anyways.
i don't know how i am going to be in 10 years or so when i'll be married, maybe i'll be more conservative and i'll change my mind. for now, i'm not even that much into exclusive dating.
your society is pretty obsesses with sex thought, in both ways.

 

[PassionFruit]

Any extra issues you want to get rid of?

This topic is rather dumb. Porn is a business, a heavily regulated one at that, and although some porn is more hardcore than others, it is very lucrative, the real reason there are thousands of women in the biz and thousands more trying to get in.

Yes, it's a multi-billion dollar industry at that.

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

Are you seriously equating a couple watching porn together with actual physical sex outside of the marriage? That's absurd. I'd wager that in some cases, porn helps to prevent cheating because it offers a safe source of stimulation. I myself am fiercely monogamous, and porn does nothing at all to lessen that.

Even if you want to follow with the argument that lust is adultery, I can guarantee you that your husband feels lust for other women on a daily basis. Does that bother you as much as if he were having actual sex?

How can you say that my husband deals with lust on a daily basis? My husband is very different from alot of other men out there. He has no problem with lusting after other women. We dont go anywhere that promotes immodesty. My husband is faithful and devote and follows Christ. He is stronger than I am in this area...he hates porn, lust, adultery.

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

This is very true. If you buy anything because the world tries to convince you to, you will probably not be happy with the purchase. Like American made cars, for example. You should only spend your money on things you want because you want them and not because you are trying to keep up with the Jones' or their sex life, as it were.



You are not in the CO section, so I'm sure you realize how much water statements like the above hold for some of the people in this conversation. I for one become very uncomfortable when people start talking about doing things to further the kingdom of their particular god.

I dont hide God from people because it makes them uncomfortable....God is all around, whether we believe it or not.

 

[quatona]

How can you say that my husband deals with lust on a daily basis? My husband is very different from alot of other men out there. He has no problem with lusting after other women.

Most men don´t have a problem with that.

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

Most men don´t have a problem with that.

Yeah and mine is one of them! I got blessed with him!!

 

[Jacey]

I dont hide God from people because it makes them uncomfortable....God is all around, whether we believe it or not.

Why was god watching me in the potty?

"Ew god's a pervert"
-Chris Griffin, Family Guy

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

Why was god watching me in the potty?

"Ew god's a pervert"
-Chris Griffin, Family Guy

Ok. God sees everything.

 

[Bianca87]

D P

 

[Bianca87]

I dont hide God from people because it makes them uncomfortable....God is all around, whether we believe it or not.

lep, you are in the section open to everybody, talking like this to people who's axiom is the non-existence of god makes no sense. it's like applying the formulas of non-euclidean geometry to a problem of euclidean geometry, it's like speaking in english to someone who doesn't understand it: it's useless and i guess annoying, but it's mostly illogic.

 

[LovesEnduringPromise]

Maybe your right, they just wont get it.

 

[Skaloop]

How can you say that my husband deals with lust on a daily basis?

Because he does. Unless he is asexual, I suppose.

My husband is very different from alot of other men out there. He has no problem with lusting after other women.

Most men don't have a problem with it. This was pointed out earlier, but it seems to have gone over your head. Men don't have a problem with it because it is not a problem. In any way. And if your husband tells you he never lusts after any other woman, he is lying to either himself or you.

We dont go anywhere that promotes immodesty.

Does your husband ever see a woman wearing shorts? A tank top on a hot day? Heck, I've lusted after women I've seen while they were in full snowboarding gear. Immodesty has nothing to do with it.

My husband is faithful and devote and follows Christ. He is stronger than I am in this area...he hates porn, lust, adultery.

I'm faithful and devoted. Despite my blatant lusting. Lust is a thought. Thoughts are not actions. Thoughts cannot be controlled. Which is why I guarantee that your husband (especially if he's in the same age range as you) lusts after other women, even if he hates it. Frankly, if he's doing something he hates, I'd say that he's the one with the problem.

And by the way, this whole conversation has inspired me to order some porn as a grad gift for my wife. She loves getting porn as a gift, and she hasn't really gotten any since Valentine's Day, so this is a great opportunity.

 

[Bianca87]

they have a different prospective than us in this, just like i have a different prospective than you on christian morality. we all should just be able to get on other's shoes

 

[Velo Princesse]

How can you say that my husband deals with lust on a daily basis? My husband is very different from alot of other men out there. He has no problem with lusting after other women. We dont go anywhere that promotes immodesty.

Because men do. He doesn't have to see a woman dressed immodestly. Lust is not sitting around daydreaming about having sex with someone. The question of "what if" can pop in and out of a persons mind in a flash. I can assure you, unless he is an asexual, he feels lust towards more people than just you- although, hopefully not to the extent as he does towards you. Most people want to believe that their partner is different, and most people tell their spouses that they don't have any desire for anyone else. Unfortunately, the fact that we cannot escape is that we are people and our husbands are people and people know when other people are hot.

My husband is faithful and devote and follows Christ. He is stronger than I am in this area...he hates porn, lust, adultery.

Of course he is faithful. That is the point. He is faithful even though he is human and has thoughts. Just like you are. I can assure you, if he has sexual feelings at all, they cannot be controlled enough that he would only ever think of you.

Personally, I like the system my husband and I have worked out. I prefer that he accept who he is and know that I accept him also. So, when he sees someone who is attractive to him he doesn't have to feel guilty... and, I can do the same.

(In saying that, I don't like porn either and we don't have it in our house.)

I dont hide God from people because it makes them uncomfortable....God is all around, whether we believe it or not.

I realize that. My point was simply that in a debate with atheists, I'm sure it is unnecessary for me to tell you how little the thought that porn doesn't further God's kingdom furthers the debate. What it really does is hinder it, because it creates a lot of noise around your point until even the most valid arguments will not be heard.

 

[OdwinOddball]

It exploits their privacy, their bodies...it encourages other to watch the film and lusting after the spouses...which is infidelity...if you look at porn you are lusting...you are looking at something evil...if you are married and lookin at porn you are cheating

If they are willing filming themselves, then it is by definition NOT exploiting their privacy. Exploitation implies lack of consent. It would be exploitive if someone else filmed a couple without their consent.

Just because you don't like something or your religion is against it, doesn't give you lee-way to redefine the English language to suit your own ends. If all parties are willing participants, its not exploitive period.

You are welcome to use a subjective pejorative such as immoral. That would at least be applicable based on your objections to date.

 

[OdwinOddball]

You should care. But thats besides the point. It seems that NO ONE should watch look at porn, people who look at porn arent mature. Sorry, but matuity comes from self-control. Obviously porn isnt self-control....its dirty and it puts a lose on self-control...saying "you gotta have it" or do it with anyone....

It certainly is not obvious as your claim.

Watching porn implies nothing about self-control or maturity. Dirty is in the eye of the beholder. I find nothing dirty about the human body or human sexuality. If I choose to watch porn it is for my own reasons. If I choose to touch while doing so there is nothing inherently wrong in that. Only by adding further layers of dogma due to religion or social taboo can it be classified as wrong or if it becomes an addiction can it be claimed to be a lack of self control.

Again, you are welcome to your own views based on your personal morality. But you will come to realize(I hope) as you age and experience more of the world, that your morality is not the same as everyone else's, and you cannot expect other people to live by your self imposed rules and regulations.
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