Fat Christians

[serephim02]

More so in America than anywhere else in the world there are massive amounts of overweight people. Most of them here in America also subscribe to some faction of the Christian faith.

Now to me this seems hypocritical. Not only does the bible clearly condemn the acts and mindset it takes to get fat (greed, glotony... ect) but I see no difference between an overweight person and someone who would stand in front of a child dieing of thirst with a bucket of water taunting them with it.

How many children die each day of starvation... simply because they do not have enough money to buy food or there is no food in their nation. Over 1/3rd of the world population lives under the poverty line, they do not get enough food to maintain a healthy lifestyle.

Yet these "Christians" can sit there and eat more food then their body needs. It is greed to it's maximum in my opinion and can not understand why instead of "supersizeing" they don't maybe save that money up and use it for something actually worthwhile, saving a child's life instead of just adding insult to those starving childreds tragity.

It also on a totaly other path of topic seems to be desecrating the our body that God created for us. I just can not see how anyone can justify such behavior with a Christian belief and allow themselves to become fat. Losing weight and/or not getting fat is not complicated at all.

Is it lonely up there on your pedastool?



I am so sorry that I can eat this. Is it poor people's fault that the only foods readily are mcdonalds or fast food. Its kinda hard to afford fresh non chemically enhanced foods when your strapped to the rim. You said you are rich no? Instead of calling poor people sinners, I call you a sinner for holding out on them.

I stuck up for you once before on your wealth but you struck a serious nerve with me on this one. How dare you call people out like that. I am kinda chunky and poor and the only reason I have cable or internet is

1. Grandma pays for it.

2. I need cable because my college has a tv show for those who can't always make it to class and therefore I can get my lessons there. Internet is needed for online exams. When I am not here I am on my college web page do work.


I find it hypocritical of you to even say that.

I am sorry for such a harse post but it deeply offended me on a personal level for you to say that.

God Bless

 

[MezzaMorta]

Is it poor people's fault that the only foods readily are mcdonalds or fast food.

That excuse is invalid on so many levels. What is the cost of an average meal at say McDonnalds, I do not eat there but lest say safe to assume around $5. For $5 a day you could easily buy an healthy alternative at any given grocery store. A can of tuna is .60 cents, loaf of bread 2$, some Tomatos.... you would most likely save money by not eating McDonnalds or what ever the other "fast food" alternative is. Heck you can get a pack of 12 boneless, skinless chicken breasts at cosco for under 10$ on sale. Thats two weeks worth of lunches.

Being lazy is not a valid excuse.

Its kinda hard to afford fresh non chemically enhanced foods when your strapped to the rim.

No one is saying you have to fork out money for the top of the line all natural imported produce. A healthy meal is not a costly one.

 

[Solidlyhere]

OK, MezzaMorta, it seems like you have made a BIG change in your definition: " The behavior and mentality ... in order to become vastly overweight."

At least now you have brought your conviction of the World's population down to a smaller size.
Before this admission, you had "supersized" your attack.

If you hate fat people, that is fine.
You can be a BIGOT, if you like to.
After all, many people hate Blacks too.
By the way, how do YOU feel about Black people ... Jews ??
So, you have your own sector of the population to resent.

I hope that one day you will find the Love of God, and begin to tone-down your hatred of people just because of the way they look.
In the mean-time, go on hating FAT people.
And God bless you.

 

[serephim02]

That excuse is invalid on so many levels. What is the cost of an average meal at say McDonnalds, I do not eat there but lest say safe to assume around $5. For $5 a day you could easily buy an healthy alternative at any given grocery store. A can of tuna is .60 cents, loaf of bread 2$, some Tomatos.... you would most likely save money by not eating McDonnalds or what ever the other "fast food" alternative is. Heck you can get a pack of 12 boneless, skinless chicken breasts at cosco for under 10$ on sale. Thats two weeks worth of lunches.

Being lazy is not a valid excuse.



No one is saying you have to fork out money for the top of the line all natural imported produce. A healthy meal is not a costly one.

Congradulations you are right!!! Do you feel better knowing you are better than everyone else? Stand on your pedastool proudly! You are a MAN!!

Drive your 70,000 dollar car downtown and tell all the fat poor people how worthless they are because as a Man you are infallible. Tell them you can get off your lazy bums because healthy food is cheap! Now tell the mothers who are feeding their kids the free food they get from their fastfood jobs they are whats wrong with this country.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Mezza, while I can understand why you might come to conclusions you have, the reasoning behind this is faulty, for it assumes things that are simply not true.

The reason for obesity in America is because of our food industry pushing foods that actually cause the body to work in such a way as to put on and retain fat.

You cannot look at appearances like that and make such judgements.

Now, this is not common knowledge, it is filtering out to the people but slowly.

What I would suggest for you to do is to research "Syndrome X"

It is also called "Metabolic Syndrome"


It is entirely diet related, and has really nothing to do with how much people eat, but all the processed foods people eat that our food industry has said is "good" for us . .

The patterns of diet that Americans have become used to is what is doing this.

It is entirely man made, and it is entirely profit driven, and it has deceived an entire generations into diet choices that are killing them . . and they don't even know it.


I have this syndrome. Without a diet change away from the processed foods that cause this, I have been utterly unable to loose weight, and I don't overeat . .in fact, I undereat.

But change the diet into right percentages of carbohydrates, fat and proteins and stay away from processed food as much as possible plus make sure I get enoiugh of the right fatty acids, and the weight begins to fall of without effort.

Please research this before blaming people for a situation that is not really in their control until they learn about what is causing it.

Poverty especially results in such problems because it is the processed food that is pushed on such people . . to eat right is too expensive . . . .


This is a vicious circles the food and drug industries have created . . .


Don't blame those who are fat for their being fat . . . Very, very few are true gluttons.


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[serephim02]

I take several meds for my bipolar and hypoglycemia and they make it impossible to lose any weight. I have to stop taking them for a week to actually lose a few pounds.

 

[thereselittleflower]

That excuse is invalid on so many levels. What is the cost of an average meal at say McDonnalds, I do not eat there but lest say safe to assume around $5. For $5 a day you could easily buy an healthy alternative at any given grocery store. A can of tuna is .60 cents, loaf of bread 2$, some Tomatos.... you would most likely save money by not eating McDonnalds or what ever the other "fast food" alternative is. Heck you can get a pack of 12 boneless, skinless chicken breasts at cosco for under 10$ on sale. Thats two weeks worth of lunches.

Being lazy is not a valid excuse.



No one is saying you have to fork out money for the top of the line all natural imported produce. A healthy meal is not a costly one.

It's not McDonalds, though McDonalds is a notorious offender . . .

But it is WIC and Food Stamps .. . they encourage you to purchase highly processed, highly refined foods that are the problem here . . .

Poverty almots guarantees that one will eat in such a way as to cause huge health problems including obesity.

Have you ever tried to live on food stamps for a family?

A very distressed family on food stamps finds it incredibly hard to avoid processed foods ..

Now, in our area, the WIC and Food Stamps program is beginning to recognize that they have been greatly contributing to the problem and are allowing purchasing more wholesom food choices . . . . .


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[Thekla]

The costs you cite for food are MUCH lower (ironically) than the actual prices at inner city grocery stores.

Absent a reliable car, decent public transportation, and a living wage,
it IS often cheaper to eat at McDonald's (ugh).

Produce is often very high priced in small grocery stores. Caloric intake is a reasonable measure in a good quality diet, but not a poor quality diet. Also, poor quality food leaves one tired.

Again, I do not disagree with discouraging unnecessary overconsumption, rather I think the problem with weight is far more complex.

Greed as a sin can be found in more than food consumption.
Starvation worldwide will not be adequately addressed until the underlying political factors resulting in restricted food distribution are addressed.

Can this country do better with charitable giving ? YES

 

[MezzaMorta]

OK, MezzaMorta, it seems like you have made a BIG change in your definition: " The behavior and mentality ... in order to become vastly overweight."

At least now you have brought your conviction of the World's population down to a smaller size.
Before this admission, you had "supersized" your attack.

If you hate fat people, that is fine.
You can be a BIGOT, if you like to.
After all, many people hate Blacks too.
By the way, how do YOU feel about Black people ... Jews ??
So, you have your own sector of the population to resent.

I hope that one day you will find the Love of God, and begin to tone-down your hatred of people just because of the way they look.
In the mean-time, go on hating FAT people.
And God bless you.

Black people don't choose to be black, most overweight people are overweight because of the lifestyle choices they made.

And I do not hate them, as God says hate the sin no the sinner. I find the attitude behind such behavior despicable as it attacks the very fundamental core of Christainty, yet you get these overweight Christians acting high and mighty looking down on others for their acts. They go on tirades about the evils of homosexuality when the sins of a homosexual pale in comparison to that of someone who exhibits no self control.

 

[MezzaMorta]

Mezza, while I can understand why you might come to conclusions you have, the reasoning behind this is faulty, for it assumes things that are simply not true.

The reason for obesity in America is because of our food industry pushing foods that actually cause the body to work in such a way as to put on and retain fat.

You cannot look at appearances like that and make such judgements.

Now, this is not common knowledge, it is filtering out to the people but slowly.

What I would suggest for you to do is to research "Syndrome X"

It is also called "Metabolic Syndrome"


It is entirely diet related, and has really nothing to do with how much people eat, but all the processed foods people eat that our food industry has said is "good" for us . .

The patterns of diet that Americans have become used to is what is doing this.

It is entirely man made, and it is entirely profit driven, and it has deceived an entire generations into diet choices that are killing them . . and they don't even know it.


I have this syndrome. Without a diet change away from the processed foods that cause this, I have been utterly unable to loose weight, and I don't overeat . .in fact, I undereat.

But change the diet into right percentages of carbohydrates, fat and proteins and stay away from processed food as much as possible plus make sure I get enoiugh of the right fatty acids, and the weight begins to fall of without effort.

Please research this before blaming people for a situation that is not really in their control until they learn about what is causing it.

Poverty especially results in such problems because it is the processed food that is pushed on such people . . to eat right is too expensive . . . .


This is a vicious circles the food and drug industries have created . . .


Don't blame those who are fat for their being fat . . . Very, very few are true gluttons.


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I regonize that there are people who have diseases which makes it very hard for them to lose weight and causes massive weight gain. Luckly modern science has created treatments for these conditions. But I stated that I do not include such people, only those who do so willingly and purposely with out regard for their actions.

Gluttony is one of the deadly sins, yet it seems most Christians in America are more concerned about crusades against homosexuality or evolution than the very un-Christian like acts contributing to 2 out of 3 Americans being overweight.

 

[serephim02]

And the rich looking down on fat people because they cant afford to eat right.

Lemme break this down for you mmkay?

1. The fat are typically poor.
then
2. The foods you speak of are cheaper than MD.
But
3. While they are cheap, the stores are further than they can go with gas prices.
and
4. Poor cannot afford fuel efficient cars, and oh my Lord if you say "they need to get a better job" I am gonna lose it!
5. MD are everywhere! we have 2 MD in 1 mile, 1 wendys, kfc, pizzahut, and more in 1 strip. They are oddly located next to the low rent apts. Hmmmm

Hmmmmm

 

[thereselittleflower]

I regonize that there are people who have diseases which makes it very hard for them to lose weight and causes massive weight gain. Luckly modern science has created treatments for these conditions. But I stated that I do not include such people, only those who do so willingly and purposely with out regard for their actions.

Gluttony is one of the deadly sins, yet it seems most Christians in America are more concerned about crusades against homosexuality or evolution than the very un-Christian like acts contributing to 2 out of 3 Americans being overweight.

No Mezza, you are not getting it . .


It is not a disease . . . .


It is Big Money . . the food industry, lying to Americans about what is good to eat, and then poisoning our bodies with chemicals and ingredients our bodies were never made to handle, and then the body responds for so many by putting on weight.

You are doing about this what you take issue with in other discussions. You are jumping to conclusions . . .


for instance, are you aware that cholesterol is NOT the problem causing heart disease?

Did you know that most people who have heart disease have normal cholesterols?

Yet the Drug Industry foists the concept that we have to bring down our cholesterols, which can actually be a bad thing. . .


Do you know what the real problem is?

Inflammation!

Inflammation caused by our diets too high in processed sugars and the wrong kinds of fats.


Overeating is not the issue . . .


Eating foods which trigger the body to put on and retain fat is . . .


This is the result of the FOOD INDUSTRY making big bucks at our expense.



You would do much better at educating people regarding the dangers of the foods on our grocery store shelves than making such generalizations as you have done here.


Most people who are overweight have absolutely NO idea why and can't seem to do a thing about it, no matter how hard they try . .


You have heard of Glycemic Index and Glycemic Load, right?


That is just the beginning . . ..


Look at your grocery store shelves . . . look at the ingredients .. high fructose corn syrup . .. . transfats. . . . foods high in inflammatory nutrients. . . foods low in anti-inflammatory nutrients. .


The tide is slowly changing, but it is changing . . . .


Don't condemn your brothers and sisters for trusting that what is on the grocery store shelves is generally good for them . . ..

Educate them about how to stay away from such foods and which foods to focus on.


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[Fireinfolding]

“When you sit to dine with a ruler, note well what is before you, and put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony.” (Proverbs 23:2)

Ever look up that word "gluttony" and see how its used throughout scripture?

Why do you think it speaks of dining with a ruler rather then just chowing down with a freinds?

Whats the difference between whats before you at a feast and whats before one dining with a ruler? Any ideas?

“He who keeps the law is a discerning son, but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father.” (Proverbs 28:7)

That might definately mean stay away from people who eat too much at places like Burger King, you think?

Alot, there are people on this earth that die from the fact they do not have food. Yet people here and though out the world consume copious amounts of food daily. The cost of that extra "big mac" could feed a family.

The cost of your comupter might feed an entire nation

No one is going to die from eating health and appropriate amounts of food.

Ofcourse not. One can eat very healthy, walk outside then get hit by a truck. Thats a sad misfortune.

Can you imagine? All that carefulness for nothing?

I play sports in university so my diet is very tightly controlled. I eat approx 2600cals per day, but even when I am not on cycle, i do not pig out. I eat an appropriate amount of food to be healthy and satsifyed. I am not fat is that is what you are getting at.

Good for you! I think your well on your way to entering the Kingdom

I was a bodybuilder for years myself, and I ate every two hours (7 meals a day). At that time I had the lowest body fat ever. Now I eat hardly once a day and I'm the largest I ever been (even though I never think of food once till round 6:30 pm).

Though I know very well I will maintain a faster metabolism I need to eat right foods and more frequently. Honestly I just dont have the time to bother. I love reading His words more then I love making food for my belly so I ~appear~ unsinful to others.

Approx 1/4 of my monthly income i contribute to various charity's.

I cant believe you even answered that question To trumpet anything ~you do~ (for good) receives no further reward from Him :o

The behavior and mentality that one must surcome to in order to become vastly overweight

Maybe you could take up fat people counseling? Maybe thats your calling pointing out how what they put in their mouth is making them unattractively large.

Though be very very sure that you are perfect before you do. Are you aware that at any point that your not perfect (while pointing out others so called sins) that you (in particular) will be the one who will certainly not escape His judgment?

Judge a word of caution on that one, given I dont want no ones blood on my head

Hey... The Pharisees (who could only judge after the flesh) judged someone else guilty of the same.

Luke 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say,Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

Fireinfolding

 

[Thekla]

. Luckly modern science has created treatments for these conditions. But I stated that I do not include such people, only those who do so willingly and purposely with out regard for their actions.

Not many that I'm aware of ...

Gluttony is one of the deadly sins, yet it seems most Christians in America are more concerned about crusades against homosexuality or evolution than the very un-Christian like acts contributing to 2 out of 3 Americans being overweight.

I agree, it is better to concentrate on our own sin !

 

[MezzaMorta]

And the rich looking down on fat people because they cant afford to eat right.

Lemme break this down for you mmkay?

1. The fat are typically poor.
then

it goes accost all demographics, 2 out of 3 adults in America are overweight, only 12% of the population lives under the poverty line.

And I can not speak as to where ever you live, but here in NYC you drive though the poor areas of town and you see a significantly less amount of overweight people than if you go downtown or though middle class districts.

2. The foods you speak of are cheaper than MD.
But
3. While they are cheap, the stores are further than they can go with gas prices.
and
4. Poor cannot afford fuel efficient cars, and oh my Lord if you say "they need to get a better job" I am gonna lose it!

you're making excuses when there are none, so all you eat is Macdonald's? I doubt there are any people in this nation that don't goto a grocery store at least a few times a month. You can buy fresh fruits and vengtables in any given bodega that exists on just about every 2nd corner here.

5. MD are everywhere! we have 2 MD in 1 mile, 1 wendys, kfc, pizzahut, and more in 1 strip. They are oddly located next to the low rent apts. Hmmmm

Hmmmmm

There are tons of fast food restaurants here too, I live in a frat house. the amount of fast food restaurants and unhealthy take away here is likely higher per capita than any where else in the city. just because it is there doesn't mean you have to go in. And even those resturants are starting to offer some choices that are not totaly unhealthy, i see the comercials for salads and wrapes from McDonnalds all the time.


But even eating McDonnalds for lunch every now and again will not make someone fat... it is a consistant state of over eating and lack of exersize. It doesn't happen over night and it dosen't happen with out the individual createing the circimstances for it to occur.

 

[Thekla]

You might want to see the US Documentary "Supersize Me"

 

[Miracle Storm]

More so in America than anywhere else in the world there are massive amounts of overweight people. Most of them here in America also subscribe to some faction of the Christian faith.

Now to me this seems hypocritical. Not only does the bible clearly condemn the acts and mindset it takes to get fat (greed, glotony... ect) but I see no difference between an overweight person and someone who would stand in front of a child dieing of thirst with a bucket of water taunting them with it.

Well in a sense I do understand what you are saying..
Most overweight people would not see over eating as a sin, but it certainly is unhealthy. But who among us has not had the extra bowl of icecream or one to many cookies. To much of anything is a bad thing. I certainly don't think that anyone overeating is doing it to taunt anyone who doesn't have food or water.

How many children die each day of starvation... simply because they do not have enough money to buy food or there is no food in their nation. Over 1/3rd of the world population lives under the poverty line, they do not get enough food to maintain a healthy lifestyle.

Yet these "Christians" can sit there and eat more food then their body needs. It is greed to it's maximum in my opinion and can not understand why instead of "supersizeing" they don't maybe save that money up and use it for something actually worthwhile, saving a child's life instead of just adding insult to those starving childreds tragity.

I do NOT agree with you that it is greed. Some of these people especially those who are morbidly obese have eating disorders that stem from emotional problems. Pray for them. You can no more condem them than you can those who starve theirselves from emotional problems. It is a sickness it most cases. Just as I used to suffer from Anorexia. I guess they just haven't came up with a fancy name yet for those who over eat. See what I'm sayin'?

It also on a totaly other path of topic seems to be desecrating the our body that God created for us. I just can not see how anyone can justify such behavior with a Christian belief and allow themselves to become fat. Losing weight and/or not getting fat is not complicated at all.

It is complicated for some to loose weight otherwise there would not be so so so many fad diets around and so much money spent every year to loose weight. Now it's on to surgery to try and loose the excess weight that is so unhealthy.

It may be to you that they are desecrating the body God created for us. You may be right. But than that leads to a whole other argument about tattoos and so forth
Also they are no worse than Christians who still smoke ciggarettes.
Which BTW I still haven't been able to break that habit, though the Lord has set me free from so many bondages!!

It makes them no less Christian and no less of a human being. Plus you have no idea how they help in the community in giving to others.

The most powerful thing you can do for anyone that you believe is sinning against their body or even if it is just unhealthy habits for them is to pray!

God bless.

 

[MezzaMorta]

[FONT=&quot] No Mezza, you are not getting it . .


It is not a disease . . . .


It is Big Money . . the food industry, lying to Americans about what is good to eat, and then poisoning our bodies with chemicals and ingredients our bodies were never made to handle, and then the body responds for so many by putting on weight.

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[FONT=&quot] No doubt western society and American culture have their part to play and part of the blame. But people still have to take some responsibility for their actions. It is very rare that someone is obese due to circumstances completely beyond their control. [/FONT]
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for instance, are you aware that cholesterol is NOT the problem causing heart disease?

Did you know that most people who have heart disease have normal cholesterols?

Yet the Drug Industry foists the concept that we have to bring down our cholesterols, which can actually be a bad thing. . .

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Most people who are overweight have absolutely NO idea why and can't seem to do a thing about it, no matter how hard they try . .

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Look at your grocery store shelves . . . look at the ingredients .. high fructose corn syrup . .. . transfats. . . . foods high in inflammatory nutrients. . . foods low in anti-inflammatory nutrients. .

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[FONT=&quot] Of course, how ever it is not hard to advoid most of those. If someone really wants to they can live a perfectly healthy life off fruits, ventables, non-processed meats and natural carbs. We don’t need the processed foods, we don’t need the articifacal add ins… of course everyone likes them. I do not suggest we get rid of them, I simply think that people should be able to display some self control. I see people in the grocery store in the line up standing there obviously overweight, with children that are over weight and they are loading Soda, Chips, Ice cream, foods with high amounts of trans fats, fryed foods, processed foods… these are the people I speak of because they are induldeing their desires not making any attempt to moderate their intake. [/FONT]

 

[xristos.anesti]

Fat food is poor food, but not only poor are fat.

People are fat because they are either genetically predisposed (some pacific Islands for example where people are naturally large or there are people who are naturally skinny) or are having some medical condition (water retention or having “worms”) or are simply lazy and do not want to do anything or the combination of the above.

In general (normal) conditions however:

It is question of mathematics - exchange of calories - if you eat 4000 calories per day and you use 3000 you will store 1000 - 1lb of fat is 7000 calories (on average depending on sex, age and other parameters).

In order to burn calories body need to increase calorie exchange and that is it.

I do not care who you are – if you eat to much calories and you do not burn them you will get fat – if you use more than what you store you will loose fat –

The US, Western Europe and Australia are leaders in getting people fat – it is an epidemic, it is a disease and that is it – the cure is to start running, walking, eating healthy.

I will not judge anyone about whether they are good or bad Christians if they are fat – God forbid, who am I to judge?

We all are bad whether we are fat or skinny, fit or unfit but the OP is asking some valid questions – (in a typical MezzaMortian way ).

 

[serephim02]

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