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Hello have a question if anyone can help out, its getting me concerned. I was listening to james mcdonald and others on repentance, and they say that in true repentance there would be 5 deeds.
1. realization of sin 2. genuine sorrow 3. open confession to others 4. restitution 5. joy and stuff
I have been trying to get right with God. Now I before I realized I needed repentance did some terrible sins. Some things I've done I could never tell anyone ever and making some things right with people I've wronged I would never dare do. If I don't do these things am I not genuinley repentant and then there for unforgiven, I don't understand. Even after I knew things were sin I still did some awful things. I don't know if I'm doomed or what. How do you truly repent. Thanks for your time and concern. grace and peace

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Hello have a question if anyone can help out, its getting me concerned. I was listening to james mcdonald and others on repentance, and they say that in true repentance there would be 5 deeds.
1. realization of sin 2. genuine sorrow 3. open confession to others 4. restitution 5. joy and stuff
I have been trying to get right with God. Now I before I realized I needed repentance did some terrible sins. Some things I've done I could never tell anyone ever and making some things right with people I've wronged I would never dare do. If I don't do these things am I not genuinley repentant and then there for unforgiven, I don't understand. Even after I knew things were sin I still did some awful things. I don't know if I'm doomed or what. How do you truly repent. Thanks for your time and concern. grace and peace

dmpeace

You just gotta be real with the lord, which can be a hard thing if ya know what i mean.
 
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Hello have a question if anyone can help out, its getting me concerned. I was listening to james mcdonald and others on repentance, and they say that in true repentance there would be 5 deeds.
1. realization of sin 2. genuine sorrow 3. open confession to others 4. restitution 5. joy and stuff
I have been trying to get right with God. Now I before I realized I needed repentance did some terrible sins. Some things I've done I could never tell anyone ever and making some things right with people I've wronged I would never dare do. If I don't do these things am I not genuinley repentant and then there for unforgiven, I don't understand. Even after I knew things were sin I still did some awful things. I don't know if I'm doomed or what. How do you truly repent. Thanks for your time and concern. grace and peace

Hmmm...Well, the things you've listed as steps to repentance are, for the most part, quite scriptural. All of it, however, rests upon God's work in your heart and mind by His Spirit. He gives us a repentant heart; He shows us the depths of our sin and imparts to us a sorrow about it that prompts us to change; He makes us humble and sufficiently obedient to confess to others our sin and to make restitution for it. Rely fully on God to enable you to do what He has asked you to do. "For it is God who works in you both to will (to desire to do) and to do (act on that desire) of His good pleasure." Phil. 2:13

Those things that seem to you impossible to fully repent of are the very things God will use to teach you humility, obedience and faith in Him. If you shrink back from this instruction, your walk with God will become stunted and uneasy. You will never walk with Him comfortably and sensitively until you embrace what He is seeking to do in you through the steps of repentance you've listed.

One thing, though: I have serious concern about the idea of "open confession". If by this you mean going before the church and airing your dirty laundry, I can't think of any place in Scripture where that is commanded. We are to "confess our faults one to another" (Ja. 5:16), but this is in order to obtain the prayers of others on our behalf that we "may be healed". This verse says nothing about making a confession to an entire congregation, but only "one to another". Find someone you trust and who is truly walking with God and tell them about those areas where you have and maybe still are struggling with sin. Get them to pray for you specifically about your weak areas.

Pride is our biggest enemy in dealing biblically with sin -- I know this from painful experience. But if you will allow God to deal with your pride through the process of confession and restitution you will find a joy and freedom and peace with God that will astound you.

Peace to you.
 
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Aiki posted excellent advice. The only thing I can think to add is to define what true repentance is not, i.e. what false repentance is. It's like saying sorry, but not meaning it. Something you do with no intention of change. When we repent it doesn't mean we automatically aren't tempted to do that particular sin anymore. Real dislike of the sin only comes with time as God works on us. Repentance signalizes the conscious intent to change, with God's help, of course.
 
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We can't undo much of the past. We need to recognise that God has forgiven us, that we all struggle with parts of our lives and that does not mean insincerity, and that sometimes all those principles may be appropriate, but often they are not.

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Thank you for your caring responses. They are helpful. "If by this you mean going before the church and airing your dirty laundry" no not quite but if I have secret sin should you confess it to somebody, and if you have done wrong things to people in past not physically should you confess it to the person, allthough I have no bad relation with anybody. My big problem is talking to people though, I'm the guy that would hide out when people come over or would never say anything so I just don't see how I could do these things. I hope this is all making sense because I can't write my thoughts well. I just want to make sure that I truly repent to be saved. Some things I've done are probably better left unsaid to anyone, unless it has to be repented of I just don;t know. Well thanks for your time and support everyone. God be with you.
 
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Thank you for your caring responses. They are helpful. "If by this you mean going before the church and airing your dirty laundry" no not quite but if I have secret sin should you confess it to somebody, and if you have done wrong things to people in past not physically should you confess it to the person, allthough I have no bad relation with anybody. My big problem is talking to people though, I'm the guy that would hide out when people come over or would never say anything so I just don't see how I could do these things. I hope this is all making sense because I can't write my thoughts well. I just want to make sure that I truly repent to be saved. Some things I've done are probably better left unsaid to anyone, unless it has to be repented of I just don;t know. Well thanks for your time and support everyone. God be with you.

Hi, repentance means to turn away from the sin or whatever it is you are doing.

You do not need to go back to everyone you've sinned against and speak with them.

Also, please don't think you aren't saved if you know you are saved due to situations/sin that you've done.

We all sin and fall short of the glory of God, and we will always sin.

We don't make ourselves all better first to come to Christ, we come to Christ and then our lives are changed, as the Holy Spirit helps us.

Jesus accepts you as you are, just talk to Him, if you haven't already done so and tell Him you want to commit your life to Him. There are no magic words need be said to come to Christ, no formulas either.

Just come to Christ, by talking with God and then you'll see how the Holy Spirit helps you with things.

Also, good idea to tell a friend if a particular sin or sins are causing you great trouble, as a friend can help. Also can a pastor, or person at church, but whoever it is you disucss things with just make sure they are trustworthy as not all are trustworthy.

Again, no need to go to others about sins you've committed. Meaning those you've sinned against.

God will lead you in such things.

Again, please don't try to clean yourself up for Christ. There is no need to do so..and impossible as well. No one can ever make himself clean enough for Christ, or do anyhting to make themselves worthy of Christ.

Our hearts are full of sin and we come to Christ and recieve forgiveness for sins and yet we will still sin because we are in this body of sin.

Once we come to Christ, He see's you as righteous and spotless as a lamb. The Spirit helps us turn from sin as well, as our desire and effort to.

Don't beat yourself up if you fail, we all fail.

Get in the bible and that will help very much as it renews our mind, as does the Holy Spirit. A bible study would be great as well, a church..

blessings,
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hank you for your caring responses. They are helpful. "If by this you mean going before the church and airing your dirty laundry" no not quite but if I have secret sin should you confess it to somebody,

As the verse I quoted in James 5 says, confession is made so that someone can pray for you that spiritual (and even, perhaps, physical) healing will occur in you. Confession is not made necessarily for its own sake.

and if you have done wrong things to people in past not physically should you confess it to the person, allthough I have no bad relation with anybody.

I think this is a question you ought to put to God. Do what He leads you to do.

I just want to make sure that I truly repent to be saved.

Repentance means basically to "take a new direction". The steps you've listed help a person to do that; they are concrete actions that give expression to your intention to take a new direction. You may struggle to follow through on these steps, but you seem genuinely to want to walk in a new way with God. Repentance is, above all, a desire of the heart to turn away from a Godless, sinful life to one lived in dependence upon, and submission to, God. The complete outworking of this desire may take many years, however. In other words, you can be truly saved and yet not fully repented of every sin in your life.

Some things I've done are probably better left unsaid to anyone,

Are you sure it isn't just pride prompting you to think this way? This isn't just the "what'll they think of me?" thing, is it?

unless it has to be repented of I just don;t know.

Sounds like you're confusing confession and repentance, here. Repentance from sin doesn't always necessarily involve confession to a person (tho' it always involves confession to God, of course).

Well thanks for your time and support everyone. God be with you.

You're welcome!

Peace to you.
 
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Thank you for your caring responses. They are helpful. "If by this you mean going before the church and airing your dirty laundry" no not quite but if I have secret sin should you confess it to somebody, and if you have done wrong things to people in past not physically should you confess it to the person, allthough I have no bad relation with anybody. My big problem is talking to people though, I'm the guy that would hide out when people come over or would never say anything so I just don't see how I could do these things. I hope this is all making sense because I can't write my thoughts well. I just want to make sure that I truly repent to be saved. Some things I've done are probably better left unsaid to anyone, unless it has to be repented of I just don;t know. Well thanks for your time and support everyone. God be with you.

A 12 Step format for repentance, answers all your questions as to the how, why, where and what is beneficial.

They are:



1. We admitted we were powerless over our addictions and compulsive behaviors, that our lives had become unmanageable.
2. We came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

3. We made a decision to turn our lives and our wills over to the care of God.

4. We made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. We admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. We were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7. We humbly asked Him to remove all our shortcomings.
8. We made a list of all persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. We made direct amends to such people whenever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

10. We continue to take personal inventory and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.

11. We sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, praying only for knowledge of His will for us, and power to carry that out.

12. Having had a spiritual experience as the result of these steps, we try to carry this message to others and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

In the 12 Step section of this forum there is more information on this method. There are a lot of resources available that go into greater depth on what is beneficial for the Steps 4-9. Repentance is a thing where the more you put into it and the greater the depth you go, the more you will benefit from it.

They are a process that are not just for a one-time event but an ongoing check into whether I am still on the right road.
There are several bible translations that include the Steps and scriptural references. I highly recommend them for anyone just starting out or even having been in the faith for a while.

Those who give them an honest effort will will be guaranteed to see positive changes happening in their life as a result.
 
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Hi again good replies thank you. When aiki you say do what God leads you to do, I have no idea how to know what he leads me to do, I just don't know, how would I know its him. And about the pride question, no really pride, probably better left unsaid for both.

8. We made a list of all persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. We made direct amends to such people whenever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
To answer 8 I have not hurt anybody physically, and I have no bad relations anywere, so do I have to make amends. What if I have done something that nobody knows about to a person, it might do more harm by telling them. And question #9 what do you mean by doing more harm to them, not getting it.
Are you only saved after you do the 12 step program, what if you can't finish it.Will God send you to hell for not doing the 12 step program or by doing it you prove your repentant which seems that its the 12 step program that saves you. I think that I know and feel sorrow for my wrongs and want to live for God. Hope this all makes some sense. You all have been a great help. Thanks a million. God bless.
 
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8. We made a list of all persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. We made direct amends to such people whenever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
To answer 8 I have not hurt anybody physically, and I have no bad relations anywere, so do I have to make amends. What if I have done something that nobody knows about to a person, it might do more harm by telling them.

8 is simply that we become willing to make the amends. It is a process unto itself. For some amends it is the best we can do because the people we need to make them to are unavailable for some reason or because making an amend would cause hardship to another as in the case of an extramarital relationship.

Our sin always causes harm to others. That's why it is sin. We have missed the perfect mark of God's will for us and have thereby accumulated guilt and shame by doing so. We don't recognize this until God starts to work within us and point it out. Addictions, obsessions etc are the symptoms of this guilt and is an attempt to bury it. Problem is that we become very sick spiritually, emotionally and ultimately physically as a result of these secrets we try to hide from everybody.

Making an amend is not actually for the benefit of the other person but for our benefit. The other person may not know but we do. It is we who are trying to let go of our guilt of the things we have done in the past.

And question #9 what do you mean by doing more harm to them, not getting it.
As an example, if i had an affair with my neighbours wife, I don't go and make an amend with him. It would in effect causing him pain while I am unloading my guilt.

Step 8 & 9 are usually done with the help of someone who has been through the process before.
Also these 2 Steps come after 1-7. The way will become clearer when you get to them because God will be leading you.
Are you only saved after you do the 12 step program, what if you can't finish it.Will God send you to hell for not doing the 12 step program or by doing it you prove your repentant which seems that its the 12 step program that saves you.

The process doesn't take that long. I for an example did my fourth Step in an afternoon even though there were about 75 people on it. There is forms which you can download that will explain it in greater detail if you are open to doing it this way.

The amends can take a lot longer but that is ok. I took several years to do the majority of mine and there a couple I still need to do. I am willing to do them when God leads me to do so.

I think that I know and feel sorrow for my wrongs and want to live for God. Hope this all makes some sense. You all have been a great help. Thanks a million. God bless.

The problem for new and even old Christians is they often do not really know what they actually have done wrong. There is a vague sense of not having always done things right but no concrete thoughts on what exactly it was. Then of course there some gross sins which are easy to spot but often it is the underlying motives that are really what we need to root out.
As an example, I may have stolen something. That seems like the sin but the underlying motivation was greed and or discontentment with my financial status. I can repent of having stolen a particular thing but that doesn't address my greed or discontment. The fourth Step tries to focus therefore on these underlying motivations because through being healed of them the stealing issue is no longer a problem.

Hope that helps somewhat.
 
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Yeah you are helping, but at what point are you saved, after you finish the 12 steps or only if you do them, or during them. What if you never finish them, does this mean you won't be saved. How did you do step 4 in an afternoon with 75 people. If all being saved is going back in history for all your sins what is the point. I have done everything sin, I could be doing this everytime I step outside I think. I hope I am not rambling to bad. At what point does God save you. Your answers are very helpful though. Thank you much for your time and care. May the Lord bless you. dmpeace
 
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To answer your question in some ways requires going into theology and of course there will be differing viewpoints. So please keep in my that this is only my viewpoint and experience.

Being saved or "salvation" is an ongoing process that starts when God came into my heart and started to draw me to Him. I at that point became willing. This willingness is the key that opens the door.

I realized at Step 1 that I was powerless over sin and my life was a shamble as a result. When I came to Step 2, I was told to open my spiritual eyes to see how a God who I could not see, feel, hear or touch was going to restore me to sanity. I had to see how the right person, the right reading, the right circumstances were being put in my path by God to lead me to where I needed to be in a relationship with Him.

Step 3, I made the decision to follow through with this by turning my will and life over to this force called God.
How can I do God's will when I cannot discern between when I am doing my will or His will? Sure I could go and go sell everything I own and give it to the poor but that may not be what God has in mind for me. So I need to go on to Step 4 to look at the fruit of my will. When I see that, it will become easier for me to turn and do God's will instead.

When I was working Step 2, I started to have some amazing days of peace and contentment like I hadn't experienced since I was young.

Step 3 was again a pretty strong experience when myself and 12 other hardcore alcoholics and drug addicts got down on our knees at a friends house and collectively turned our will's and lives over to His care.

Now , some people would say that is all that is required to be saved or get salvation. Unfortunately in the circles I travel it never or extrememly rarely is enough. Those who go no further may have had some spiritual experiences before that point but if they go no further they eventually relapse into their old lifestyles.
This is why I myself do not believe in OSAS (once saved, always saved)

So next comes the repentance process where we also start to see the character flaws and shortcomings that made life such a burden.

Step 4 was an eye-opener for me. Step 5 is where I shared tthe worst parts of that Step 4 with an understanding person and in the sight of God. I walked out of that meeting on cloud 9. I had been forgiven!!

Now, in Step 6 & 7 I want to be rid of these character flaws that had caused me so much problem. Not quite as easy as it sounds. I actually had to pray for the willingness to be rid of some of them. I had used anger and sarcasm as a defense mechanism for years and I felt naked without them. There were others too that I had some hesitation about but God over the next few weeks and months showed me the consequences of them which in turn made me more willing.

By the time I was this far I actually was looking forward to the next 2 Steps. I had really come to realize how I had hurt people around me with either my anger or my neglect when they were not deserving of either. God put several people in my path that I hadn't seen for a number of years but owed an amend to. The feeling after is wonderful. The more I did it the higher my head came up and I was able to start looking people in the eye again. I started to feel love and compassion for my family and friends rather then the anger and resentment that had been the norm for many years.

Now, again I will mention that I know of people who stopped before they came to these 2 Steps. They also eventually returned to their old lifestyles or maintained a certain type of miserable existense that included a lot of bitterness and resentment.
Are they saved? I don't know. Not for me to judge. But I do know that they could have had a much more abundant and fruitful life if they had gone all the way.

Note that when I say "abundant" that does not necessarily mean one without problems or hardship but it does mean that one goes through those things like they are a minor bump in the road rather than the car-swallowing pothole they were in past.

After this comes what are called the maintenance Steps. 10, 11 , 12

Step 12 is the one that says we will have a spiritual awakening as a result of these Steps. What it meant for me is that I started to have a God-conciousness. An awareness of His presence and that I could call on Him when I needed strength or peace of mind.

Am I saved or have I salvation? I think so. I feel like I am born-again and a new-creature in Christ as some would say. My whole outlook on life has changed. I am on a road to wholeness/holiness and I continue to be willing to deal with those flaws that God may convict me of from time to time because I value the relationship i have with Him today.


The whole Step 4 format is easier to realize when one sees the actual paperwork. You can download a copy here:

4th Step Guide
 
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