YEC dilemmas

[shernren]

The really amazing thing is that AiG has left the link to the PubMed abstract right at the base of their article, which was how I tracked it down. That's a surprising amount of transparency. Either Wieland sincerely believes that a demonstration of phyletic continuity allows him to lump all hominins as just weird humans (which it does not), or he knows that he's just preaching to the choir who don't know how to check footnote links (which would be both disturbing and insulting), and even if they did, would figure that since Wieland must be right, "a single gradually evolving lineage" must be evolutionist obfuscation-speak for a single human species who wouldn't look anything out of the ordinary on an NY street (oh, with a hat to cover the huge brows).

The state of creationism today.

 

[kulenok]

On the philosophical side, I have always found the creationist schism in science to be strange and disturbing. What makes it ok to interpret Scripture with heliocentrism, but not with evolution?

See, we believe the first words of Genesis directly. If you ask me,(this is not meant with offence) then if TE was right the bible would start something like this:in the begining, there was the big bang, and matter flew in all directions. it cooled and condensed, and made a place called earth. Eventually on earth the first cell formed, in otherwise unlivable conditions, it reproduced and changed slowly. And eventually made the homo erectus, and he looked at it and said that it needed completion, and homo sapiens where created.
So thats why I'm YEC

 

[Citanul]

See, we believe the first words of Genesis directly. If you ask me,(this is not meant with offence) then if TE was right the bible would start something like this:in the begining, there was the big bang, and matter flew in all directions. it cooled and condensed, and made a place called earth. Eventually on earth the first cell formed, in otherwise unlivable conditions, it reproduced and changed slowly. And eventually made the homo erectus, and he looked at it and said that it needed completion, and homo sapiens where created.
So thats why I'm YEC

Not really. TE doesn't require the Bible to be scientifically accurate. Therefore, the Bible doesn't have to begin the way you claim it would have to. We're perfectly happy with the account the way it stands.

In addition, your claim that homo sapiens came about because the world needed completing once homo erectus evolved doesn't make any sense. Why would TEs claim that evolution only happened up to a point and then supernatual creation occurred?

It should also be pointed out that TEs also believe the first words of Genesis directly:
[bible]Genesis 1:1[/bible]
It's what happened next that all the debate is about.

 

[lucaspa]

I'm glad you guys are compiling the list. Let me go back to generalities and note WHY the inconsistencies are there to begin with.

All the inconsistencies are what, in science, are called ad hoc hypotheses. Ad hoc hypotheses are generated to keep the main hypothesis/theory from being falsified. They are not necessarily bad things and every scientist uses them every day. In fact, each of you has used ad hoc hypotheses in the labs of science classes.

Say you are in science class and are doing a lab assignment testing the acidity or alkalinity of various solutions using litmus paper. You are handed an acetic acid solution and then put blue litmus paper in it. The hypothesis is: the acetic acid solution is acidic. The litmus paper does NOT turn red. Do you then decide acetic acid solution is not acidic? NO! You start testing the ad hoc hypotheses 1) the litmus paper is bad or 2) you were handed the wrong solution.

What happens with YEC is that there are many, many falsifications of YEC. YECers, over the years, have made up ad hoc hypotheses to avoid having YEC falsified. The problem is that the physical universe is a whole, and the ad hoc hypotheses address only a single falsification. Therefore they contradict some other part of the physical universe. YECers put blinders on and don't see and hope you won't see the contradiction with some other part of the physical universe.

So, this suggests a general strategy the next time you see YEC "answer" a falsification of YEC. Don't consider the narrow example that the "answer" (ad hoc hypothesis) addresses, but start thinking of other consequences of that hypothesis and seeing if the ad hoc hypothesis is contradicted by something else.

 

[Assyrian]

See, we believe the first words of Genesis directly. If you ask me,(this is not meant with offence) then if TE was right the bible would start something like this:in the begining, there was the big bang, and matter flew in all directions. it cooled and condensed, and made a place called earth. Eventually on earth the first cell formed, in otherwise unlivable conditions, it reproduced and changed slowly. And eventually made the homo erectus, and he looked at it and said that it needed completion, and homo sapiens where created.
So thats why I'm YEC

Yay! The YECs are visitin us again

 

[Jase]

See, we believe the first words of Genesis directly. If you ask me,(this is not meant with offence) then if TE was right the bible would start something like this:in the begining, there was the big bang, and matter flew in all directions. it cooled and condensed, and made a place called earth. Eventually on earth the first cell formed, in otherwise unlivable conditions, it reproduced and changed slowly. And eventually made the homo erectus, and he looked at it and said that it needed completion, and homo sapiens where created.
So thats why I'm YEC

Of course, would the audience the Bible was written for have any idea what matter, the big bang, cells, or homo erectus and sapien were?