Alcoholics and Addicts Discussion/Support Thread

[MelWright]

It just feel like I went through all the pain of talking to them for nothing. O well, I really had to push myself to do it, never mind. Thats how things usually work for me. My mum ended up getting me in tears again last night. Im an embarresment to her, she hates me, wishes I wasnt here. The usual. Im staying strong though . Not drinking, its turning out to be a lot easier than I expected.

 

[Divinah]

Have you not done drugs? Don't do them and spare yourself. Find another Hobby/Interest RIGHT AWAY, this one WILL devour you. Yes, you too.

Great idea to start this SOTK...by the way...what does "SOTK" mean?

I am struggling with drugs....as much as people tell me that they are gonna leave me in bad shape....I still think that I can do better than they did and not fall so deep into addiction like they did....I claim to know myself well...but I'm not sure. The good thing is...I haven't done any drugs as of yet....(yay?)....but I've got stashes of stuff (nothing illegal...nothing prescription....just some stuff that few people know about but is very similiar to pot in its effects and such)....I've researched everything on how to make bongs and how to prepare the drugs....At least I'm doing it right...right? Ugh....I'm so messed up.

 

[LoG]

It just feel like I went through all the pain of talking to them for nothing. O well, I really had to push myself to do it, never mind. Thats how things usually work for me. My mum ended up getting me in tears again last night. Im an embarresment to her, she hates me, wishes I wasnt here. The usual. Im staying strong though . Not drinking, its turning out to be a lot easier than I expected.

No, not for nothing, Mel. Even when things don't go our way we learn something from it and get some strength to face what we are going through. Keep your focus on the fact that Jesus loves you and it will make it easier to bear when our own parents say they don't. It is rarely true but an alcoholic is a very sick personthat is no longer able to discern the truth from the false.

 

[LoG]

Have you not done drugs? Don't do them and spare yourself. Find another Hobby/Interest RIGHT AWAY, this one WILL devour you. Yes, you too.

Thanks for sharing Divinah, however when we substitute our drinking and drug use with anything other then God we are sure to stumble in the new thing.

 

[MelWright]

She manages to focus it all on me, not my brothers. There must be something in it.
Hes still going to get away with it. In this life anyway. And that hurts, it really hurts. I didnt want to go to the police, i forced myself to in case he was hurting anyone else. I knew they would let me down. Yet another person letting me down in my life.

 

[LoG]

He? Thought your mother was a she. Or has the conversation turned to someone else?

People are fallible Mel, that's why our hope is in God. And He will deliver when we put that trust in Him. Just not always in the way we were expecting.

 

[MelWright]

The guy who raped me, the 1 i went to the police about.

 

[MelWright]

Need your prayers guys. Im seriously ill . So nearly died wednesday. Its really shaken me up.

 

[LoG]

Need your prayers guys. Im seriously ill . So nearly died wednesday. Its really shaken me up.

Sorry to hear Mel. Pray you are on the mend right now.

 

[MelWright]

Not yet, got to wait for test results. Hopefully.

 

[ArmouredSaint]

I've fallen on rocks lately and was arrested for DUI. I'm seriously letting my disease ruin my life. I'm in and out of this world.I just don't care much about things. AA has not worked for me.

 

[LoG]

I've fallen on rocks lately and was arrested for DUI. I'm seriously letting my disease ruin my life. I'm in and out of this world.I just don't care much about things. AA has not worked for me.

We got to go though what we go through to get where we gotto go.

AA works for those who work it. Did you do all the Steps? That is what AA is.

How it Works

[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path. Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. There are such unfortunates. They are not at fault; they seem to have been born that way. They are naturally incapable of grasping and developing a manner of living which demands rigorous honesty. Their chances are less than average. There are those, too, who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders, but many of them do recover if they have the capacity to be honest.

AA Big Book

[/FONT]

 

[AngelDove1]

AA never worked for me either.
Till I started workin it.
The 12 steps

I've fallen on rocks lately and was arrested for DUI. I'm seriously letting my disease ruin my life. I'm in and out of this world.I just don't care much about things. AA has not worked for me.

 

[JaneFW]

You really *can* do it Saint. I'm almost at a year of sobriety - finally. I was on and off the wagon so many times, I was exhausted, but peace came in the end. You have to keep on praying and keep on trying.

 

[SOTK]

I've fallen on rocks lately and was arrested for DUI. I'm seriously letting my disease ruin my life. I'm in and out of this world.I just don't care much about things. AA has not worked for me.

Sorry to hear about the recent DUI. It's not the "disease" which is ruining your life, but your flesh. Don't identify with the world but with Christ only!

Yes, you are correct. AA does not work. It is God who "works".

I am teaching/leading a group at my Church based on curriculum from this website:

http://www.freedomfromaddiction.org/truths.htm

Check out some of the links (documents) on the page which comes up. Freedom from habitual sin only comes from one place!

Blessings,

SOTK

 

[notwrapped]

I see it's been a month since the last post.... I hope everyone is hangin' in there.Just thought I would stop by and say Hello.. I'll check back

God Bless and One day at a Time

 

[Divinah]

Hello, I would like to respond to Armoured Saint.

I agree with you...AA has a lot of pricipals that can and should be applied for recovery.

But for some of us...
AA IS NOT THE ANSWER.

I can LITERALLY say that for years, I went to AA mostly out of obligation to others...I never left a meeting w/o wanting a drink. Something about (no offense to anyone, this is just how it was for me) the sitting around in a room full of whining losers almost relishing their disease and defeat to it. Almost as if the victory of sobriety came in embracing the defeat they had suffered for so long and meetings FOREVER meaning they had to agonize over it for the rest of their lives as the only way to maintain the Sobriety...UUUGGGCKKK!

NOT FOR ME...and all the ritualistic little cultish type of activity and people, I would pray to God for forgiveness and cleansing everytime we said "The Lord's Prayer in that Forum".

I knew and ended up being right...this would never help me. I needed to be with my Church Family...seekingk God faithfully Daily and Serving...enjoying the company of people who were living in VICTORY. And yet...I admit...some of the tools not just there, but in REAL counseling that I had gotten have stuck with me and enable me to counsel others. I pride myself in never getting too absorbed in any of their principals.

THAT IS WHY IT IS SUCH A BLESSING THAT CELEBRATING RECOVERY MEETINGS are starting up everywhere. Look one up, near you. They are Christian based...VICTORY TEACHING...groups that utilize the 12 Steps of AA/NA Recovery. Nothing could be more perfect as far as I'm concerned.

I praise the Lord for my recovery and I pray I am not hypocritical when I say...I cannot imagine today...being in the Hell I was once in and it is sobering (pun intended) to look here and see that people are still lost in the same nightmare, enslaved by the enemy.

Deliverance in is the LORD ALONE. Seek him and all other things will be added. If you fall...get right back up and persevere...DO THIS UNTIL YOU GET IT RIGHT. In alot of cases it will get nightmarishly worse before it gets better. PERSEVERE STILL, You have not lost until you stop doing that! And there is a harvest to be reaped by the planting of the seed of perseverence in HIM. GLORY HALLELUJIA.

 

[SOTK]

Hello, I would like to respond to Armoured Saint.

I agree with you...AA has a lot of pricipals that can and should be applied for recovery.

But for some of us...
AA IS NOT THE ANSWER.

I can LITERALLY say that for years, I went to AA mostly out of obligation to others...I never left a meeting w/o wanting a drink. Something about (no offense to anyone, this is just how it was for me) the sitting around in a room full of whining losers almost relishing their disease and defeat to it. Almost as if the victory of sobriety came in embracing the defeat they had suffered for so long and meetings FOREVER meaning they had to agonize over it for the rest of their lives as the only way to maintain the Sobriety...UUUGGGCKKK!

NOT FOR ME...and all the ritualistic little cultish type of activity and people, I would pray to God for forgiveness and cleansing everytime we said "The Lord's Prayer in that Forum".

I knew and ended up being right...this would never help me. I needed to be with my Church Family...seekingk God faithfully Daily and Serving...enjoying the company of people who were living in VICTORY. And yet...I admit...some of the tools not just there, but in REAL counseling that I had gotten have stuck with me and enable me to counsel others. I pride myself in never getting too absorbed in any of their principals.

THAT IS WHY IT IS SUCH A BLESSING THAT CELEBRATING RECOVERY MEETINGS are starting up everywhere. Look one up, near you. They are Christian based...VICTORY TEACHING...groups that utilize the 12 Steps of AA/NA Recovery. Nothing could be more perfect as far as I'm concerned.

I praise the Lord for my recovery and I pray I am not hypocritical when I say...I cannot imagine today...being in the Hell I was once in and it is sobering (pun intended) to look here and see that people are still lost in the same nightmare, enslaved by the enemy.

Deliverance in is the LORD ALONE. Seek him and all other things will be added. If you fall...get right back up and persevere...DO THIS UNTIL YOU GET IT RIGHT. In alot of cases it will get nightmarishly worse before it gets better. PERSEVERE STILL, You have not lost until you stop doing that! And there is a harvest to be reaped by the planting of the seed of perseverence in HIM. GLORY HALLELUJIA.

Hi, Divinah,

With all due respect and no offense intended, I find Celebrate Recovery as problematic as AA, if not more. I say more, because all Celebrate Recovery has done is replaced "Higher Power" with Jesus Christ. It's great that Jesus Christ is openly worshipped and discussed in Celebrate Recovery (as opposed to AA) but I find the philosophy and principles used in Celebrate Recovery to be virtually the same as that of AA. You're right in stating that Celebrate Recovery is "Christian Based", however, I find Celebrate Recovery as secularized as AA which makes Celebrate Recovery even more dangerous to the Christian.

People want to believe that addressing the behavior behind habitual sin leads to freedom, but the truth of the matter is that Christians are already free. I am talking about a faith and belief problem. Another way to put this is an Identity problem. We aren't defined by what we do but by who we are. Understanding who we are in Christ is the key to freedom. No amount of works (following "Steps", praying more, going to more Bible studies, etc) will cause us to become "free". We can't pursue something which we already have. What was given to us defines who we are. Believing this truth IS freedom.

Any Christian Recovery group which relies upon principles set forth in "Steps" (even if scripturally based) to achieve freedom from habitual sin (alcoholism, drug addiction, etc), is legalistic in nature and biblically wrong.

Please check out the link I provided a couple of posts above this one for more information. Also, check out Steve McVey of Gracewalk Ministries or anything written by Neil Anderson. I strongly believe that recognizing our Identity in Christ is of utmost importance in the life of a Christian--any Christian whether they are struggling with an "addiction" or not.

Blessings,

SOTK

 

[notwrapped]

Yes, you are correct. AA does not work. It is God who "works".

I am teaching/leading a group at my Church based on curriculum from this website:

http://www.freedomfromaddiction.org/truths.htm

Check out some of the links (documents) on the page which comes up. Freedom from habitual sin only comes from one place!

Blessings,

SOTK

Thank you for this link SOTK. I am going to check out this site.I was intriqued by the idea of "celebrate recovery" and had just looked up a local meeting to go ck out.I will be doing that asap.Nevertheless I would like to chat further about your philosophy on the aforementioned "Freedom from Addiction" concept.Do you subscribe to this alone or do you mix and match??

Let me know
Thanx and God Bless,
Larry

 

[SOTK]

Thank you for this link SOTK. I am going to check out this site.I was intriqued by the idea of "celebrate recovery" and had just looked up a local meeting to go ck out.I will be doing that asap.Nevertheless I would like to chat further about your philosophy on the aforementioned "Freedom from Addiction" concept.Do you subscribe to this alone or do you mix and match??

Let me know
Thanx and God Bless,
Larry

Howdy, Larry,

My short answer is "yes", however, this 'concept' is not new. The Truth that we are no longer slaves to sin but newly alive in Christ is not a new thing. It's been my personal experience as well as observation(s) that most Christians don't truly believe this. This is why I stated that those of us struggling with habitual sins have a "belief or faith" problem. Instead of focusing on our faith and finding our Identity in Christ, many of us focus on behaviors and identify with sin. Groups such as 'AA' and 'CR' (although having good intentions) reinforce this.

Regarding your "mix and match" statement, No, I do not do this. I do not attend AA nor CR and haven't done so in years. I am currently leading a 'group' based on the curriculum from "Freedom from Addiction". There are no "Steps" nor principles borrowed from 12-Step groups.

I look forward to talking with you some more. Please let me know if you have questions regarding the information in the link I gave you or any other questions.

Blessings,

SOTK