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Take a break. Go to the eschatology section. That's where I've been. There's too much scientific egotism around here.

To the question in the topic: I agree. I've only been here for a little over 2 months. When I got here most of the threads were debating different flood theories, genetics, stuff like that. Now it's gotten into a completely dogmatic sense of who is better.
 
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Hey Pop.

Couple of new folks here all full of p*&^ and vinegar.

I would imagine some of the regular TEs would eventually get them to take the edge off.

But, we are still generally regarded as divorced from reality and promoting a view that makes God look deceptive.

I am still waiting for someone to say, "I am having a hard taking making that scripture fit my worldview." And, when you come right down to it, it is sort of like dealing with spiritual attack. If you aren't getting roughed up now and again, you aren't much of a threat to those who hate God. Similarly, if the Bible is that easy for any of us to incorporate into our thinking, we must not be in the Word all that much or must not be getting it.

Lots of the regular TEs are very serious about a literal view of some of the essentials in the New Testament. We are starting to see a little more tendency toward the idea that nothing in the Bible needs to be taken literally if it is inconvenient.
 
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You know a year ago or two I might have felt the same way. Today I don't really care what they say about YEC or even me, I expect it to be negative and they usually don't let me down. That's actually ok with me because I just don't take myself so seriously anymore. Besides it's not me I'm defending, but the Word of God and that makes all the difference. If it really bothers you Scotishfury is right, just take a break. I've been asking God for a permanent break for quite some time, He hasn't said yes yet, so I guess I'm still around for the time-being. :)
 
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Am I the only one who is getting VERY tired of the folks insulting YEC in the OT forum? I don't come around here to be insulted - I came for discussion and growth. Seems like things have turned nasty lately.
Yeah.
I saw some of that today.
Sheesh.
:hug: I like you.
 
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Am I the only one who is getting VERY tired of the folks insulting YEC in the OT forum? I don't come around here to be insulted - I came for discussion and growth. Seems like things have turned nasty lately.
I'm actually worried for them. If we can't even discuss the meaning of scripture with people that claim to be Christians, we might as well be hitting our head against a wall. I'm sure the non-believers that visit here are loving the battle we're having. Both sides should be setting an example for them. Our world is in a very sad state right now.

We should derrive strength from each other and Scripture to endure the battle. Hang in there troops.
 
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I wasn't purposefully dogging on you, pop. I was just joking about the direction of the OT forum lately.

I appreciate the humor. That's probably what we need while we wait for this spasm to pass. And, I think we need to remind each other that it will pass.
 
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It bugs me that so few TEs are willing to have a non-insulting discussion, and that even fewer TEs are willing to disagree with someone who is being insulting.

I probably should take a long break. I just hate for false statements to be made with no one challenging them. I'm concerned for the folks that just come by and look around and do not post.
 
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I'm actually worried for them. If we can't even discuss the meaning of scripture with people that claim to be Christians, we might as well be hitting our head against a wall. I'm sure the non-believers that visit here are loving the battle we're having. Both sides should be setting an example for them. Our world is in a very sad state right now.

We should derrive strength from each other and Scripture to endure the battle. Hang in there troops.
They absolutely do not care about Scripture. They never discuss scripture. When they ask for "Evidence" they are not asking for Scriptural Evidence, but they want NATURAL evidence. Imagine that. What ever scripture supports or insists on creatio ex nihilo, creation out of nothing, they dispense with as "prescientific," or allegorical, etc. Also, they do not believe that the Text has a particular meaning, but that it is a matter of personal preference and multiple choice.
They do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God.
 
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They absolutely do not care about Scripture. They never discuss scripture. When they ask for "Evidence" they are not asking for Scriptural Evidence, but they want NATURAL evidence. Imagine that. What ever scripture supports or insists on creatio ex nihilo, creation out of nothing, they dispense with as "prescientific," or allegorical, etc. Also, they do not believe that the Text has a particular meaning, but that it is a matter of personal preference and multiple choice.
They do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God.

I am really on the fence about this.

Some TEs truly have just denied anything of substance in scripture, other than its poetic value, its ability to speak to the human condition or whatever noncommittal academic language is in vogue. That seems to be a small portion of the folks there.

(Now, the morals of the Gospel are awesome things to have, but as Paul said, if Jesus is not raised, it is all in vain.)

If you accept the resurrection of Jesus, you may say it is based the natural evidence, but it really has to be based on receiving the Word and loving it. Of course, I would say, not all of the Word, except to the extent that embracing Jesus is all of the Word.

And, it bears noting that lots of TEs have a great deal of Bible under their belt. That is not trivial. That is serious academics. Is it seriousness about the Bible? There is a lot of passion in the TE crowd about their Christian convictions and about their walk. That comes of embracing the resurrection and lordship of Jesus. And as much as I think it is inconsistent with their view of Genesis, that is a real dedication to the Word, and the Word is Jesus. I just don't think the "evidence" can do that. It must be the Word itself.

I do have to say that if you are serious about the Word that should make the Word at least troubling to an evolutionary perspective. Even if you accept evolution, shouldn't you have this lingering discomfort with the bad "fit"? Without that, lots of the "seriousness" seems to have left at this point.

We also see lots of comparisons between Gilgamesh or whatever and the Bible. The Bible speaks of a such a clear distinction with Pagan sensibility, that I cannot fathom why Pagan literature would teach anyone anything about whether the Bible is true.

And all those psalms about what the Word means! How do you just blow by that stuff?

But, then again,

1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:


1Cr 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost


Granted, the Kingdom of God is full of leaven, pearls, birds and other things that are not kosher. But, somehow, Jesus has managed to arrange things such that the unclean things do not define the redeemed state of Kingdom, but God does. When evolution is spoken in the spirit of confessing that Jesus came in the flesh as God, what else do you have but a serious and redeemed view of the Word?

I actually got booted from another site for defending Benny Hinn on the same grounds -- a guy I don't even like, listen to or follow. But, the Body is a strange thing. The gifts are not revokable, as scripture teaches.
 
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I think we can make the same error that we are being subjected to on the OT forum when we talk about TEs as a group. They are each individuals, with different strengths and weaknesses. Let's keep their individualism in mind as we talk with them and pray for them.
 
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