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Yeah, that's what you all say yet all preach something different in some major doctrinal issues. IF your not infallible, then please don't preach what may be heresey. That is not God's Will when He wanted His Word spread throughout the world.
That's great IamAdopted. You have shown nothing here but point out we can use Scripture. I'm still waiting for your Scripture is sufficient verse. And please don't throw at us Tim 3:16 again. Before you do that, take a glance at a couple verses up and notice there is an appeal to Tradition, right before the appeal to the Scriptures. He plainly told him to hold on and be faithful from what he learned from him and I highly doubt it was just reading his marterials.
Tim 3:14
But you, remain faithful to what you have learned and believed, because you know from whom you learned it,
And lets take one more look at verse 16-17 which you seem to think proves us wrong and take it step by step to what exactly we believe about those verses.
16 All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
17 so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
What the Catholic Chruch believes about Scripture.
All Scripture is inspired......Correct
All Scripture is useful for teaching........Correct
All Scripture is useful for refutation......Correct
All Scripture is useful for training in righteousness....Correct
All Scripture may equip the Man of God for every good work..........Correct.
Now we have to throw in your added interpretation.
All Scripture is All you need......Um no. Why can't you people get this already before you try throwing it at us again.
Only when properly interpretated. Otherwise it's dead. It doesnt preach or speak.
My point obviously is for you to not dare trying to use that verse on us again to prove Mary had children since you obviously know Mother could have easily been Israel. And yes, the Woman clothed with the sun is Mary and maybe even both. But not just Israel alone.
Show me where I agreed with her post which was to disprove Oral Tradition. Please don't put words in my mouth.
For this I can agree for it does what it did when the Apostles preached and wrote it for it is as alive today as it was back then for we serve a living God. He confirms His word with signs following. For all of us that are born of His spirit can attest to the truth of His word. We don't need tradtions to see how alive Our God is. He lives in each one of Us. His words become the breathe of our life. We are not told that tradtion is inspired of God any where in scripture. We are told that scripture is. I don't so much have problems with the tradtions of the Apostles because I read what they wrote and with that I can see what their tradtions were like. For Paul wrote many of the Epistles and in each one He says the very same thing. So I am quite sure when He spoke in Person He spoke just as He wrote.
The tradtions now don't even resemble what Paul preached. Even Peter whom some declare to have been a pope and His writings say the same as Pauls. Must have been the same Spirit of God that was speaking through these men. Same with Timothy and Titus and on and on. For some reason things have been added and given the title of traditions handed down from the Apostles when none of them speak of the things that you have today. Mary, Indulgences,Purgatory,Popes,Church dress such as robes ect,Pennance, Baptizing little children, worshipping the bread. Kind of a tell tale sign to me as I read scripture that somewhere down the line something got twisted and it sure wasn't scripture.
In all scripture I do not see where when the word was preached that behind it came when properly interpreted.
I don't see traditions in there either.
Hmm, so you actually need to hear that from Scripture to believe that too. I didnt realize you thought that misinterpretated Scripture was the Word of God. If not, then there was really no point in saying it doesnt say that at the end of when it was preached except so to give you the excuse to copy more verses to puff up your feathers some more as if your actually proving something.
We are not talking about the Apostles. I was talking about you. Scripture doesnt talk so it's all up to you on how it is interpretated. You need to study the lanugage and culture of the time to even try and get a grasp of what it is trying to say in many verses. God left this with people who couldnt even read let alone study another language they never even heard of? Don't thinks so.
