Immaculate Conception - Why Did It Take 1,854 Years to Discover This Doctrine?

[IamAdopted]

Now what are the sheep to be fed?

He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your fathers had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.
4Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God."

 

[ScottBot]

Now what are the sheep to be fed?

I agree. Jesus charged Peter with ensuring that the sheep were feed the Word.....PROPERLY.

 

[Rick Otto]

where does it end?

To answer your "where in scripture is it" question:
John 21

 

[ScottBot]

I see nothing in John 21 that indicates that Jesus repeated himself because Peter was a stubborn blockhead.

 

[Rick Otto]

or his blockheadedness anywhere at all?

 

[ScottBot]

or his blockheadedness anywhere at all?

Nope. I see Jesus repeating it to make a point.

The fact that he repeated it three times is symbolic, much like he made this announcement to Peter on His third visit. Nothing in Scripture is off-handed. There is meaning behind everything.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Rick...Peter was a block head..LOL...he was stubborn, proud and he rejected Jesus 3 times..DENIED Him...some first 'pope' that is...he lied...gee..how can one not see this?

 

[ScottBot]

Because interpretations vary. Therefore opinions vary. Apparently all are valid. And on and on it goes.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Because interpretations vary. Therefore opinions vary. Apparently all are valid. And on and on it goes.

so Peter did NONE of this stuff?? No matter what version you read...it says the same stuff!

 

[ScottBot]

so Peter did NONE of this stuff?? No matter what version you read...it says the same stuff!

Peter did reject Christ, but he was also the first to acknowledge Christ. Funny how quick everyone is to color Peter as this stubborn, semi-retarded (apparently) buffoon who couldn't get anything right. He was the first to acknowledge the divinity of Christ. Should count for something, but it probably won't. People see what they want to see.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Peter did reject Christ, but he was also the first to acknowledge Christ. Funny how quick everyone is to color Peter as this stubborn, semi-retarded (apparently) buffoon who couldn't get anything right. He was the first to acknowledge the divinity of Christ. Should count for something, but it probably won't. People see what they want to see.

OH for Pete's sake...(no pun intended). YES, Peter did end up redeeming himself. BUT you are missing the point of all the other stuff...so yes, people see only what they want to see...

 

[ScottBot]

Probably what causes 95% of the bickering here. People see things as they see them, and everyone has differing perspectives on things, and we are all convinced that our own position is the right one, therefore anyone who doesn't agree is wrong. I am as guilty as anyone.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Probably what causes 95% of the bickering here. People see things as they see them, and everyone has differing perspectives on things, and we are all convinced that our own position is the right one, therefore anyone who doesn't agree is wrong. I am as guilty as anyone.

true. I mean, I don't agree with your doctrine or theology...but you as a person I am sure you are a good person and we could be friends. BUT just cause I don't agree doesn't make me a bad person either, or less of a person or anything else. Right?

 

[IamAdopted]

Peter did reject Christ, but he was also the first to acknowledge Christ. Funny how quick everyone is to color Peter as this stubborn, semi-retarded (apparently) buffoon who couldn't get anything right. He was the first to acknowledge the divinity of Christ. Should count for something, but it probably won't. People see what they want to see.

Yes Peter was a great Apostle. He ended up loving the Lord agape as Jesus wanted Him too. I get a big kick out of Peter. He was quick to speak. Some call him the footshaped Apostle. He would open his mouth and have to stick his foot into it. But He loved the Lord. And the Lord loved Peter.

 

[PassthePeace1]

true. I mean, I don't agree with your doctrine or theology...but you as a person I am sure you are a good person and we could be friends. BUT just cause I don't agree doesn't make me a bad person either, or less of a person or anything else. Right?

HBM, God Loves You... and because I respect that I love you too..

 

[PassthePeace1]

Rick...Peter was a block head..LOL...he was stubborn, proud and he rejected Jesus 3 times..DENIED Him...some first 'pope' that is...he lied...gee..how can one not see this?

HBM,

Peter denied Him, before Christ's redemptive work on the Cross, His resurrection had taken place, and before the coming of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost.

How faithful to Christ are any of us, before receiving the Grace to do so?

 

[PassthePeace1]

Probably what causes 95% of the bickering here. People see things as they see them, and everyone has differing perspectives on things, and we are all convinced that our own position is the right one, therefore anyone who doesn't agree is wrong. I am as guilty as anyone.

Yeah, agree...plus I think what also plays into the bickering....is all we really know about each other...is what we disagree on....I have been thinking that a conversation thread...that is non- debate, and just for fellowship...might help here in the Marian forum, so we can get to know each other, on a more personal level. Which might help to promote a more Christ like behavior in an exchange of ideals...than bickering.

Just a thought...what say you?

 

[Kepha]

You would need to dig deeper into scripture to find out that when Jesus gave them this authority about sin is much different that how you through your church read it. Do a deep greek study on what Jesus said there.

Says the one who thinks it says Highly Favored rather than Full of Grace. Maybe it is you who should do some deep studying in the language of the Bible.

Besides, I shouldn't have to search and claw my way to figure out basic Doctrines of Christ. Understanding them yes, but knowing what He wanted. Nope. It takes some of you years just to get what you think he's saying, then years again to come to a different conclusion. What a waste of time when all you have to do is read the Catechism.

Of course Catholics already know the Doctrines of Christ. But we just love to come into a deeper and deeper understanding of them through study.

I will not argue with you about scripture because in your eyes they are dead words on paper.

Don't put words in my mouth. I said dead when not interpreted properly hence dead when you try to tell the Church what is what. Thanks but no thanks.

I will Post scripture for it is the word of God. I will let scripture speak for itself for It is alive and active.

No. Again, you will Interpret.

Who says we are infallible. We can say that the Holy Spirit is .

Well if you can't error on interpretating and knowing what God wants definitively then you must be. Or do you mean you may be in error and may change your mind down the future but just preach anyways and hope for the best.

 

[ScottBot]

true. I mean, I don't agree with your doctrine or theology...but you as a person I am sure you are a good person and we could be friends. BUT just cause I don't agree doesn't make me a bad person either, or less of a person or anything else. Right?

Exactly. Start with the premise that we ARE brothers and sisters in Christ and work our way from there.

 

[Kepha]

There is a reason as to why Peter was asked three times if He loved Jesus. For it was Peter who denied Jesus three times.

He wasn't just asking Him if He loved Him. He told Him to feed His Sheep while the flock was in that very room.

Paul was to also preach the Gospel. Called by God to do this. We see more of His writings and feeding the sheep than we do Peters.

And this means..........

You ever wonder why Peter was always called The First of the Apostles or why for someone who hardly said as much as Paul had to say in Scripture, that His name was in it more times than all of them put together. Kind of gives a greater aspect on it all don't you think. Paul left behind more Scripture, but Peter left behind the Keys.

They all preach the same. Timothy. Titus ,Paul, Peter, Jude, John, They all feed Gods sheep. They are the Apostles. with a capitol A. We see in scripture also with the scripture I gave you that the callings and gifts are from the Lord and not handed down.

They were not all called Rock, given the Keys to Heaven, and specifically asked to feed the sheep while the others were still present.