Old Earth Creation

[Xaero]

so why record it as 6 days if it wasnt the case?

The writer just didnt have a clue if the creation took thousands ,millions or billions years.
Genesis1 is in god's view of time, from psalm90 we can infer that the writer thought it was surely longer than one week.

For this ancient culture it was total unnecessary to know the exact time of creation, the main information of Genesis1 is that God is the creator of everything.

To set up the model for the week and Sabbath.

6 is a sacred number of this ancient culture, a symbol for completeness.

 

[Assyrian]

well thankyou for elaborating on why...

point being is that there were 70 years.
There was also 70 weeks.
Plus the fact that 3 days in the tomb-really meant 3 days.
40 days in the desert was exactly that.

If you want to believe the word of God is careless when it says in Gen-evening and morning=1 day thats up to you .

I suppose the geneologies should be ignored---,seems to me that this is Gods way of confirming that it actually does mean what it says, and he glues it all together by emphasising the facts of how long people lived and exactly how old they were when their offspring came to be.----Why go to this trouble if it is full of gaps and holes.?
God indeed has his oracles and the hebrew was chosen to record them.
Its time to drop your secular foundation on history and claim to know nothing except Jesus Christ and him crucified- this is the only way -for all of us.

God was not bound by time factors when he spoke the word and things came into being..

Jesus, who played an active role in CREATION by speaking the word--which he is, instantaniously healed all kinds of ills, by the word that came forth from his wonderful mouth. No time needed here.

God does not need millions-thousands-hundreds of years to perform his will.

There were 70 weeks from the start of Daniel's prophecy, the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, until the Messiah? How does that work?

 

[shernren]

There were 70 weeks from the start of Daniel's prophecy, the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, until the Messiah? How does that work?

See now, it's because the days in Genesis 1 are six literal days that the week is seven days - except when a week is seven years - oh wait -

*repeat seven times*

 

[KTatis]

It's shernren's 20 BIRTHDAY TODAY! Happy birthday by the way.
But here is a few questions for YEC. All explained with geological statistics.

1. How can there be a world no older than 6,000 years?


1.a. No matter what the answer is the earth is no where near 6,000 years old because...


2. Tectonic plates move at the rate your finger nails grow. But a YE theory would suggest that the techtonic plates move faster than 100 to 200 miles an hour. (NOT POSSIBLE)


3. Volcanoes would erupt on a scale of VEI 8 every year or two. (NOT POSSIBLE)

I know your getting skepitical YEC but remember this numbers don't lie!

4. There were billion of species that lived and died on earth. But with a young earth the world would have been over populated. There would have been like over 1,000 animals for every 10 sq miles. (NOT POSSIBLE)

5. (time for some truth) 300 million years ago earth had much more oxygen than today which made insects grow incredibly large. (something you can see in New Orleans today.) The climate was so diffrent and animals and plants alike had diffrent living conditions than we do today. Dinosaurs and humans could not have lived together because Dinosaurs required certain living conditions that aren't around are hasn't been around since 65 million years ago.

 

[jeffweeder]

The writer just didnt have a clue if the creation took thousands ,millions or billions years.

He seems to know what he was talking about;
Evening and morning=1day, sounds pretty spot on to me

To set up the model for the week and Sabbath.

31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day. 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts.
2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.
3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and[1][Lit to make ] made.

In the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.
2 He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them Man[1][Lit Adam ] in the day when they were created.
3 When Adam had lived one hundred and thirty years, he became[2][Lit begot, and so throughout the ch] the father of a son in his own likeness, according to his image, and named him Seth.
4 Then the days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight hundred years, and he had other sons and daughters.
5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years, and he died.

Looks like God wants you believe that it was 6 days.

6 is a sacred number of this ancient culture, a symbol for completeness.

It was 7

 

[jeffweeder]

There were 70 weeks from the start of Daniel's prophecy, the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, until the Messiah? How does that work?

Its easy enough to work out.
Messiah has come and the decree was given by the Persian ....70x7=490---spot on again

count years in the geneology from Adam-David and you come to literal history every time.

God is right and TE is wrong-no doubt about it
peace.

 

[Assyrian]

It says 70 weeks, that is a little less than a year and a half.

He seems to know what he was talking about;
Evening and morning=1day, sounds pretty spot on to me

Where does the bible say
Evening and morning=1day?

31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day. 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts.
2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.
3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and[1][Lit to make ] made.

In the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.
2 He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them Man[1][Lit Adam ] in the day when they were created.
3 When Adam had lived one hundred and thirty years, he became[2][Lit begot, and so throughout the ch] the father of a son in his own likeness, according to his image, and named him Seth.
4 Then the days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight hundred years, and he had other sons and daughters.
5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years, and he died.

Looks like God wants you believe that it was 6 days.

Where does Genesis say that?

 

[jeffweeder]

Where does the bible say
Evening and morning=1day?

GEN 1
And there was evening and there was morning, one day.


And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.


13 There was evening and there was morning, a third day.


19 There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

23 There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Where does Genesis say that?

CHAPTER 5
Descendants of Adam
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam.

 

[KTatis]

GEN 1
And there was evening and there was morning, one day.


And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.


13 There was evening and there was morning, a third day.


19 There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

23 There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.




CHAPTER 5
Descendants of Adam
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam.

Is this the book you were talking about?

The Books of Adam


The Book of Adam, or "Contradiction of Adam and Eve", is a romance made up of Oriental fables. It was first translated from the Ethiopian version into German by Dillman, "Das christliche Adambuch" (Göttingen, 1853), and into English by Malan, "The Book of Adam and Eve" (London, 1882). The "Pénitence d'Adam", or "Testament d'Adam", is composed of some Syrian fragments translated by Renan (Journal asiatique, 1853, II, pp. 427-469). "The Penitence of Adam and Eve" has been published in Latin by W. Meyer in the "Treatises of the Royal Bavarian Academy of Sciences", XIV, 3 (Munich, 1879). To these are added "The Books of the Daughters of Adam", mentioned in the catalogue of Pope Saint Gelasius in 495-496, who identifies it with the "Book of Jubilees", or "Little Genesis", and also the "Testament of Our First Parents", cited by Anastasius the Sinaïte, LXXXIX, col. 967.

 

[jeffweeder]

Is this the book you were talking about?

Are you joking bro'?
I'm not about to put my faith in grossly polytheistic versions of the truth.
These Babylonian and Assyrian creation stories are perverted accounts of the truth.
So many similarities makes you realise that there is a divine original testamony/History.
This is the account i am refering to-the genuine article written by Gods faithful chosen, not some culture that slid and slithered away into polytheism.
The same thing happened with the flood stories, so many similar accounts, but only 1 written according to Gods guidance and eyewitnesses.

Can you seriously entertain that Moses compiled Genesis out of polytheisticly written tablets.

Genesis is compiled from 11 different documents handed down by Adam-Noah etc.-all in the family.

here they are;

Gen 2
4 This[2][Lit These are the generations ] is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven

gen 5
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day when God created man

GEN6
9 These are the records of the generations of Noah.

GEN10
1 Now these are the records of the generations of Shem, Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah; and sons were born to them after the flood.

SEE ALSO;
GEN 11:10 ; 11:27 ; 25:12 ; 25:19 ; 36:1 ; 37:2

GODS chosen line my friend.

 

[Assyrian]

GEN 1
And there was evening and there was morning, one day.


And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.


13 There was evening and there was morning, a third day.


19 There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

23 There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Yes I know these verses. My question was where the bible says:
Evening and morning=1day

CHAPTER 5
Descendants of Adam
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam.

Sorry Jeff. I wasn't asking where the bible quote came from, I was asking about your last claim.

31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day. 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts.
2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.
3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and[1][Lit to make ] made.

In the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.
2 He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them Man[1][Lit Adam ] in the day when they were created.
3 When Adam had lived one hundred and thirty years, he became[2][Lit begot, and so throughout the ch] the father of a son in his own likeness, according to his image, and named him Seth.
4 Then the days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight hundred years, and he had other sons and daughters.
5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years, and he died.

Looks like God wants you believe that it was 6 days.

Genesis never tells us the world was made in six days.

 

[jeffweeder]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffweeder

GEN 1
And there was evening and there was morning, one day.


And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.


13 There was evening and there was morning, a third day.


19 There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

23 There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Yes I know these verses. My question was where the bible says:
Evening and morning=1day

Is this some kind of joke?---you dont believe the above,
Sunset to sunrise - evening and morning 1 day.
7 days a week.

YOUVE been listening to the beatles havent you---8 days a week.
stop listening to others and believe the word.

Genesis never tells us the world was made in six days.

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31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day

well what does it say Assyrian?

 

[KTatis]

Okay i'll sumerize this as simply and quickly as I can. English word "day" is the the mistranslation of the Hebrew word "yowm." Yowm means period. Period could've meant that he created the world in a period of 65 million years, 100,000 thousand years. You can't say for sure that is the diffrence between mainstream science and creationism. Lets say you Young Earth Creationist?

 

[Assyrian]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffweeder



Is this some kind of joke?---you dont believe the above,
Sunset to sunrise - evening and morning 1 day.
7 days a week.

YOUVE been listening to the beatles havent you---8 days a week.
stop listening to others and believe the word.

You keep saying "Evening and morning=1day" which is really bad maths. What about night and afternoon? They are part of a day too so what is with the Evening and morning=1day?

And how many days do we have if there was already a day and a night before the start of 'day one' (Gen 1:5)?

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31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day

well what does it say Assyrian?

It says 'the sixth day' not 'in six days'

Verse 8 says 'a second day' not 'the second day'. Why do you think that is? The normal way to list a number of consecutive days is the first day... the second day... etc. Why didn't Genesis follow that pattern if it was trying to indicate six consecutive days?

If I told you that when I was staying in London I went to see Buckingham Palace one day but it was closed to visitors. I went a second day but it was closed again. Do I mean I went there my first day in London? Was my next attempt 24 hours later? One day... a second day... simply do not tell us this.

 

[jeffweeder]

so let us get this in uniform .

you propose that 6 days might mean 100,000, 65 million or something other than 6 tiny little days.

If your correct KT, then Adam being created on the 6 day , might have lived to be something more astronomical than the 900 + little years as proposed.

Certainly those Geneologies would mean absolutely nothing.
That Adam was born under the canopy of a 6 day creation- With those geneologies mentioning names like Noah--Abraham--David, we can see from history that this is absolutely correct. They didnt live millions or hundreds of thousands of years ago,--reality says that they lived thousands (2or 3) of years ago..its common sense.
If they did then Adam was living 6000 years ago, because his name is on top of the list.--and we are still in creation week when it happened.

 

[jeffweeder]

You keep saying "Evening and morning=1day" which is really bad maths. What about night and afternoon? They are part of a day too so what is with the Evening and morning=1day?

ok then it was night then it was afternoon 1day- i dont see it being any different....

It says 'the sixth day' not 'in six days'

Again it is no different

Verse 8 says 'a second day' not 'the second day'. Why do you think that is?

would it be any other day but the second?

If I told you that when I was staying in London I went to see Buckingham Palace one day but it was closed to visitors. I went a second day but it was closed again. Do I mean I went there my first day in London? Was my next attempt 24 hours later? One day... a second day... simply do not tell us this.

Im sure that you would have rested at the end of the week. If your objective was to go see the palace on a weeks holiday, why do nothing on the first day- surely you went on your first day there.

 

[Xaero]

He seems to know what he was talking about;
Evening and morning=1day, sounds pretty spot on to me

Genesis1 is written in the human view of how god views time. For god it was only days - for humans it is vast ages ...

btw, without sun no literal evening and morning before day4 ...

 

[Xaero]

It was 7

mhh i thought 7 is the divine number and 6 is the number of completeness because the sumerians used a base 6 and 60 counting system

The number six was chosen as the base for the sacred system of counting employed in Mesopotamia at Sumer about 5000 years ago when civilization, displaying all the major features by which we still recognize it, first appeared. The sacred number six (6) was used by priests in ordering all things sacred and celestial, whereas ten (10) was used for counting in the secular world. When these two were

resolved by being taken together, multiplication produced the standard Sumerian soss (6 x 10 = 60). This product times 6 again yielded 360, which remains to this day our numerical referent for the number of degrees in a circle, just as the soss, 60, still accounts for seconds in a minute and minutes in either a degree or an hour. And in America our electricity is also based on a standard of 60-cycles per second.

 

[KTatis]

so let us get this in uniform .

you propose that 6 days might mean 100,000, 65 million or something other than 6 tiny little days.

No, im saying that the definition of "period" (which is mistranslated as 'day' in the KJV) could mean 100,000 years to 65 million years or so. And there is no direct answer for that because period dosen't tell time it discribes it.

If your correct KT, then Adam being created on the 6 day , might have lived to be something more astronomical than the 900 + little years as proposed.

How so? They used a lunisolar calender at the time? Good luck trying to convert the dates into modern times!

Certainly those Geneologies would mean absolutely nothing.
That Adam was born under the canopy of a 6 day creation- With those geneologies mentioning names like Noah--Abraham--David, we can see from history that this is absolutely correct. They didnt live millions or hundreds of thousands of years ago,--reality says that they lived thousands (2or 3) of years ago..its common sense.
If they did then Adam was living 6000 years ago, because his name is on top of the list.--and we are still in creation week when it happened.

Okay i see you are strong in faith but I am not here to destroy your faith I am here just to enlighten you. Me being a human being you being a human being. From one man to another listen to your fellow man and not the past. We in the here and now should be able to accept the fact that the Bible didn't actually mean 6 days. Thats just how it was translated over thousands of years. Why are you doubting this? Deep inside you-- you must feel that this YEC theory is somehow wrong from somewhere. And there comes a time when you know your beaten and you have to accept that and move on. Too much pride can be a terrible, terrible thing!!

 

[jeffweeder]

mhh i thought 7 is the divine number and 6 is the number of completeness because the sumerians used a base 6 and 60 counting system

well that may be, but not so with hebrews.
6 is the number of man and 7 is completeness -,8 is new beginnings ,-9 finality

From one man to another listen to your fellow man and not the past. We in the here and now should be able to accept the fact that the Bible didn't actually mean 6 days.

If it were true i would-but it is not

Deep inside you-- you must feel that this YEC theory is somehow wrong from somewhere. And there comes a time when you know your beaten and you have to accept that and move on. Too much pride can be a terrible, terrible thing!!

Deep down I know it is right.
I sincerely believe that you should realise that you believe a lie.

peace to you anyway.