3abn Continued

[Rosie55]

I will repeat, if necessary in every post, EMBEZZLER. Turn and twist how much you want - CONVICTED EMBEZZLER. No overturning on appeal, nothing. Embezzled. Stole. Got caught.

I'll be more plainer. Your words, actions and every accusation and allegation you have made all point to one thing. "Must bring down 3ABN."

And when I do get the ability to post the URLs I will pinpoint each and every one of your words so that people can see how much you want to bring down 3ABN.

There is nothing inappropriate in identifying evil by its proper name.

Pickle said "I got involved out of a desire to see God's cause and truth be saved from reproach."

I don't believe God needs you to do this. What you are really doing is tearing down what He has set up. God will not be mocked. You will reap what you have sown.

 

[Pickle]

You two sound a bit like Ahab telling Elijah, "Are you the one who is troubling Israel?"

According to Early Writings, the shaking will be caused by people rising up against the straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the True Witness. This implies that the straight testimony will have died out or been crushed out.

Now if someone today can't speak out against the cover up of child molestation allegations without being called a jackal and a liar, then I'd say that what Early Writings predicted has come true. And your rising up against the efforts of those who would like to see grievous wrongs corrected is also a fulfillment of that prediction.

 

[Pickle]

Also, how many years ago was Gailon convicted in Vermont of keeping money that was owed to him? How many years?

While Tommy has been accused of sexual misconduct occurring as recently as 2000, I don't recall Gailon being accused of keeping money owed to him that recently.

If you two want to hold something against Gailon that occurred in the early '80's I think, and use that to disregard every fact he brings to the table today, I have to ask you, do you have a problem with grace as well as the straight testimony?

Do you throw out of your Bibles everything written by Paul since he is a murderer? How about Moses for the same reason? We have no record that James ever repented of his hard feelings against Paul, though I'm sure he did. Have you thrown out James too? How about Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Solomon, since David and Solomon had problems too?

 

[Rosie55]

You two sound a bit like Ahab telling Elijah, "Are you the one who is troubling Israel?"

According to Early Writings, the shaking will be caused by people rising up against the straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the True Witness. This implies that the straight testimony will have died out or been crushed out.

Now if someone today can't speak out against the cover up of child molestation allegations without being called a jackal and a liar, then I'd say that what Early Writings predicted has come true. And your rising up against the efforts of those who would like to see grievous wrongs corrected is also a fulfillment of that prediction.

You are incorrect in your reasoning. The straight testimony is the truth of the Bible. It isn't you trying to tear town God's work. When the straight testimony is given, it will cause the shaking because many will not want to hear it. They will leave the church because they will not want to hear the truths of the Bible.

The truths of the Bible and you trying to tear down 3abn are two different things.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

You are incorrect in your reasoning. The straight testimony is the truth of the Bible. It isn't you trying to tear town God's work. When the straight testimony is given, it will cause the shaking because many will not want to hear it. They will leave the church because they will not want to hear the truths of the Bible.

The truths of the Bible and you trying to tear down 3abn are two different things.

the term straight testimony ad shaking are not in the bible. who how can it be the bible.

 

[Pickle]

"The present truth had an effect upon his heart, and for a time its influence restrained his conduct. He meant to be a Christian, but he never saw the blackness of his sins in the past. His brethren in present truth began to confide in him, thinking him about right. They made much of him, and as he insinuated himself into their confidence he began to think he was not very bad after all, became exalted, puffed up by Satan, and then the natural feelings of his carnal heart influenced his life. And if the pointed, straight testimony had not been crushed in the church, his conduct would have received the highest censure and he would have been long ago separated from the church of Christ" (19MR 222, 223).

That's speaking about a fellow that was immoral before he joined the church, and he was immoral afterwards too. The straight testimony is at least a rebuke against such sins, properly given.

The language used above comes, of course, from Rev. 3. Jesus is the faithful and true witness, and as a witness He has a testimony. You can read what His testimony is there in Rev. 3, and what His counsel is to us. When we heed that counsel, there is a revival of the straight testimony.

And some will rise up against it. And that will cause a shaking.

 

[steffanphilip]

Also, how many years ago was Gailon convicted in Vermont of keeping money that was owed to him? How many years?

While Tommy has been accused of sexual misconduct occurring as recently as 2000, I don't recall Gailon being accused of keeping money owed to him that recently.

If you two want to hold something against Gailon that occurred in the early '80's I think, and use that to disregard every fact he brings to the table today, I have to ask you, do you have a problem with grace as well as the straight testimony?

Do you throw out of your Bibles everything written by Paul since he is a murderer? How about Moses for the same reason? We have no record that James ever repented of his hard feelings against Paul, though I'm sure he did. Have you thrown out James too? How about Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Solomon, since David and Solomon had problems too?

Ah, but the difference was repentance. We have an unrepentant embezzler claiming to speak for God's people?

Oh, and another difference, the police investigated these allegations against Tommy and found nothing worth pursuing. In Gailon Joy's case, they convicted him. Let's repeat it again, convicted embezzler and unrepentant.

I do not in any way or shape condone deviancy but there are limits to rumours and allegations that surface now.

Linda lied in a deposition. And these are the documented, beyond a doubt, verifiable facts. To refresh your memory, I have posted them previously, and in emphasis, pointed out where she lied - consciously.

I really wish Gailon would bring facts to the table. What he does instead is bring allegations and insinuations and expect those to be deemed factual just because he says so. Every fact he brings is tainted with the stench of his own deceit.


Pickle, you would have have served God's purpose much better by not bringing up the kind of allegations and insinuations you have sponsored on the save3abn website. But instead, in the name of cleansing, all you do is bring up allegations.

On the other hand, I will continue to stand for what is right.

 

[steffanphilip]

"The present truth had an effect upon his heart, and for a time its influence restrained his conduct. He meant to be a Christian, but he never saw the blackness of his sins in the past.

Funny thing is, this can be applied to you, Gailon and Daryl, especially the part about the "blackness of his sins in the past" - which would apply to Gailon.

 

[Pickle]

It matters not whether Gailon and Linda lied or didn't, repented or didn't. That's irrelevant.

The facts are that Walt Thompson said that Danny told him that the Tommy Shelton child molestation allegations are 30 years old when they aren't, and that they are all due to a feud between Dryden and Tommy when they aren't.

The police, to my knowledge, have never pursued the allegations against Tommy arising from his conduct toward Duane Clem or the fellow that came forward on January 24. And I don't know that they have pursued Roger Clem's allegations either.

 

[Pickle]

Funny thing is, this can be applied to you, Gailon and Daryl, especially the part about the "blackness of his sins in the past" - which would apply to Gailon.

The way you talk, it would seem like we are the ones being accused of:

• Molesting children, and of covering it up, and of threatening with lawsuits those who talked, and of lying on global TV about it all.
• Calling Linda's daughter a liar on global TV when she says that Danny sexually assaulted her.
• Accusing Linda on global TV of having the spirit of Antichrist.
• Calling Danny the Lords' anointed, of being beyond the reach of correction by church or state, all on global TV.
• Declaring it to be wrong on global TV to disagree with Danny.

But we aren't the ones who have done these things. You're talking to the wrong folks.

To all reading this discussion, let it be known that Seventh-day Adventists as a whole do not condone child molestation, lying about child molestation, using the airwaves to declare one's opponents to be pawns of Satan, divorcing wives because they hid our guns, accusing our wives with thinking they got pregnant over the telephone.

Seventh-day Adventists have been unaware of the corruption of Danny Shelton. We bear long with the sinner, for God does. But He has limits and so do we. We don't tolerate this kind of thing.

Of course, every faith has its fringes, and we do too. You can find a few that will attack those who raise questions about child molestation and lying. But their opinions and name calling are not representative of our faith, beliefs, and practices.

 

[Rosie55]

The way you talk, it would seem like we are the ones being accused of:

• Molesting children, and of covering it up, and of threatening with lawsuits those who talked, and of lying on global TV about it all.
• Calling Linda's daughter a liar on global TV when she says that Danny sexually assaulted her.
• Accusing Linda on global TV of having the spirit of Antichrist.
• Calling Danny the Lords' anointed, of being beyond the reach of correction by church or state, all on global TV.
• Declaring it to be wrong on global TV to disagree with Danny.

But we aren't the ones who have done these things. You're talking to the wrong folks.

To all reading this discussion, let it be known that Seventh-day Adventists as a whole do not condone child molestation, lying about child molestation, using the airwaves to declare one's opponents to be pawns of Satan, divorcing wives because they hid our guns, accusing our wives with thinking they got pregnant over the telephone.

Seventh-day Adventists have been unaware of the corruption of Danny Shelton. We bear long with the sinner, for God does. But He has limits and so do we. We don't tolerate this kind of thing.

Of course, every faith has its fringes, and we do too. You can find a few that will attack those who raise questions about child molestation and lying. But their opinions and name calling are not representative of our faith, beliefs, and practices.

What is relevant here is that those who are making these false accusations, insinuations and allogations against 3abn are in the wrong.

And also what is relevent is these SDA's are facing charges of purjury as in Linda's case and were charged and convicted of embezzlement in Joy's case. Why would I now think that Linda would tell the truth of the matter? And why would I trust Joy?

I am afraid I don't trust anything from either one of them nor from their "followers."

 

[woobadooba]

I am afraid I don't trust anything from either one of them nor from their "followers."

This is one of the major problems with gossip--it breeds distrust.

This thread never should have surfaced. It's one thing to discuss such issues amongst ourselves, but something else entirely to post them in a public domain. What's even worse is that these are personal issues. Meaning, those who are the object of scrutiny here may not wish to have such things posted about them in a public place. Yet, they don't even have a say in the matter.

Those who post things about others in this way not only demonstrate that they lack love, but also integrity. They have no respect for the privacy of others. I wonder how they would feel about someone posting their sins all over the boards. I'm sure they have some very nasty secrets that they're keeping to themselves which are far worse than those that are being discussed in here!

Those who are guilty of starting this thread, and feeding it will face their own fury in due time.

They think they're doing a good service to God by posting the faults of others all over these boards; but in reality they are hindering the redemptive work of the Holy Spirit. They are no better than those who sought to stone the woman who was caught in the act of adultery.

Jesus didn't write her sins down in the sand! Instead, He said "go and sin no more." I don't see such mercy and compassion in here. I just see a bunch of angry hypocrites that would soon throw those whom they are finding fault with into the lake of fire if they had the power to do so.

This forum has become a reproach to God.

 

[steffanphilip]

It matters not whether Gailon and Linda lied or didn't, repented or didn't. That's irrelevant.

Now it's irrelevant? Your entire testimony, reputation and integrity rests on who is a liar. Gailon and Linda are cheats/liars. Why would they then be considered people of integrity? Why would their supporters be considered people of integrity? Now that you've considered it irrelevant, then let us also consider irrelevant anything else you say.

The facts are that Walt Thompson said that Danny told him that the Tommy Shelton child molestation allegations are 30 years old when they aren't, and that they are all due to a feud between Dryden and Tommy when they aren't.

That, Pickle, is NOT a fact. That is something you, as usual, have managed to extrapolate from fiction. What is fact, irrefutable fact, is that Gailon and Linda are the liars and cheats.

The police, to my knowledge, have never pursued the allegations against Tommy arising from his conduct toward Duane Clem or the fellow that came forward on January 24. And I don't know that they have pursued Roger Clem's allegations either.

I have never known the police to _not_ pursue allegations of sexual abuse, especially against minors. Did you ever wonder why they did not? Of course not. In the light of what you have posted, lies are truth, allegations are facts.

 

[steffanphilip]

The way you talk, it would seem like we are the ones being accused of:...

But you are. You are the ones who are constantly bringing up filth and expecting it to be taken as literal truth. Considering everything you write, I don't see any sign of the Gospel commission being carried out.

To all reading this discussion, let it be known that Seventh-day Adventists as a whole do not ...

That SDAs as a whole, do not indulge in the kind of tactics used by Pickle and "friends."

Seventh-day Adventists have been unaware of the corruption of Danny Shelton.

This is the exactly the kind of statement that exposes you as someone who makes allegations. You have already stated "Danny is corrupt" and of course, now it must be truth. What about the documented corruption of Gailon and Linda?

 

[Pickle]

That, Pickle, is NOT a fact. That is something you, as usual, have managed to extrapolate from fiction.

It is a fact. It's an irrefutable fact. Walt Thompson told me that himself in writing.

The list of things I gave you in my last post was based on the testimony of Walt Thompson, John Lomacang, Shelley Quinn, Mike Riva, and Danny Shelton. It was not based on either Gailon's or Linda's testimony. And it was based on things they either wrote that I have personally read first-hand, or it was based on things that they said that I personally heard first-hand.

 

[Pickle]

This is one of the major problems with ....

I agree that at least some of this should not be here. And SteffanPhilip is not helping the situation, which is what has happened over at BSDA.

So do you have a suggestion for how we extricate ourselves from this predicament here on this thread? I got invited to come and post here, so I thought I would. Now I wonder if that was really wise.

 

[steffanphilip]

It is a fact. It's an irrefutable fact.

You see how once again you take fiction and make it into fact. You took separate, disconnected statements, refused to consider any context and all of a sudden, have "irrefutable" facts. Not good at all. In fact, coming from you, not believable at all.

 

[steffanphilip]

I agree that at least some of this should not be here. And SteffanPhilip is not helping the situation, which is what has happened over at BSDA.

What happened at BSDA was a shame to the name of Christians and the posts prove it. Go ahead and try and find something that uplifts God in narratives like "The Televangelist."

The vitriol of Danny's defenders, and their willingness to defend things like child molestation at all costs, has made his case look much, much worse.

Nobody defended child molestation and yet you have immediately tarred people as 1. supporters of child molestation 2. defenders of Danny. Shame on you. I defend the truth and speak out against evil words.

 

[woobadooba]

So do you have a suggestion for how we extricate ourselves from this predicament here on this thread? I got invited to come and post here, so I thought I would. Now I wonder if that was really wise.

Prayer for those involved is a good place to start.

Intercessory prayer is not something that we do to make things known to God, or to induce His mercy; rather, it's something that teaches us what it means to love.

 

[Pickle]

You see how once again you take fiction and make it into fact. You took separate, disconnected statements, refused to consider any context and all of a sudden, have "irrefutable" facts. Not good at all. In fact, coming from you, not believable at all.

Feel free to get specific and explain how Walt did not say what he said.

Here are the facts:

• Walt Thompson stated that the Tommy Shelton child molestation allegations were 30 years old.
• Walt connected the allegations to a feud between Tommy and Dryden.
• I asked Walt who the source of that information was.
• Walt said it was Danny.
• At the time Danny Shelton told Walt that, Walt had been informed by Dryden that there was deceit and inappropriate behavior at not just Ezra Church of God in West Frankfort, IL, that Tommy needed to apologize for, but also at Community Church of God in Dunn Loring, VA.
• Tommy pastored at that latter congregation from 1995 till around late 2000. Thus the allegations were not just 30 years old.
• Tommy's ordination was suspended in IL in 1985 because of child molestation allegations.
• Dryden lived 800 miles away from Tommy until 1993. Thus the allegations were not the result of a feud between these two pastors.
• Walt Thompson has never corrected my understanding of what he wrote, even though he wrote these things last November.