Episode 3:11 - Enter 77 (Mar 7th)

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

Interesting tidbits from lostpedia

• The Episode (Enter 77) premiered on March 7th, 2007.
• The Episode also occurs on day 77 in the LOST universe.

Recurring Themes

• 42=9+1+6+5+4+2+1+6+4+4 (Binder Found by Sayid 90M1654-21644) (Numbers)
• 77=4+8+23+42 or 4+15+16+42 (Numbers)
• 38 = 23+15 (Numbers)
• 305 (north bearing) 3+0+5=8 (Numbers)
• Mikhail and Nadia Comaneci share the same birthday of Nov. 12. 11/12. 11+12=23 (Numbers)
• Locke plays a computer chess game with a black and white board. (Games), (Black and White)
• Cats are found in Sayid's flashback and at the Flame Station. (Animals)
• Bea Klugh is shot and killed by Mikhail. (Life and Death)
• Mikhail mentions that he prefers isolation. (Isolation)
• Sayid argues with John about finding a more rational method of finding the Others than Eko's stick. (Science vs. Faith, (Religion))
• Nikki and other Losties argue with Sawyer about sharing. (Economics)
• The chess game Locke played against the computer would have ended with checkmate on move 42 (Numbers)

Unanswered questions


http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Enter_77/Theories

• Was The Flame the only means of communicating with the outside world? If so, what are the reprecussions of its destruction?
• Why did Bea Klugh apparently think it necessary for Mikhail Bakunin to kill her rather than allow her to be captured?
  • Why did he then seem to try to turn the gun on himself and later tell Sayid to, "Finish it" (meaning to kill him)?
  • What did Mikhail mean when he told Ms. Klugh that they still had "another way" (when he was initially refusing to kill her)?
• Why did the DHARMA Initiative deem it necessary to destroy The Flame in the event of an incursion by the "hostiles?"
• Did entering 77 into the computer trigger anything besides the explosion?
• Did The Purge really occur? If so, what was the source of the conflict between DHARMA and the Others?
• Did Sayid really torture Amira, or did he lie to get out of it?
• If Sayid really worked in Paris, why wouldn't he remember any of the French when he heard the distress call in "Pilot, Part 2"?

 

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

The cow was red. That might be important. http://www.templeinstitute.org/red_heifer/red_heifer_contents.htm another interesting tid bit concerning the red heifer: The following was taken from http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=69410

"The Red Heifer is a mythical beast that, according to certain interpretations of prophecy, will appear shortly before Armageddon. All Christian and Judaic intepretations of this verse seem to revolve around Armageddon. I did not find a single Red Heifer link that was not explicity concerned with the Apocalypse. So we can assume that is where the answer to your question lies."

 

[Sign Of The Fish Burger]

If Sayid had not learned from his past, and killed Mikhail at the end, would the cat, presumably an incarnation of the Monster, have come after him?

It seems that every time a person on the island sees something from their past it is only seen by them (ie Kate's horse, Dave, Christian, Yemi). This would mark the first time it is actually acknowledged by someone else. Or it is not an incarnation of the monster at all.

 

[kimber1]

ugh i fell asleep....AGAIN......DARN THIS NEW AIRTIME!!!!!!!!!!!! i'm gonna watch it again in a minute during dinner but wanted to say that remember sawyer saw kate's horse too i believe.

red cow?? i DID miss alot

 

[MtDoraAngel]

If Sayid had not learned from his past, and killed Mikhail at the end, would the cat, presumably an incarnation of the Monster, have come after him?

It seems that every time a person on the island sees something from their past it is only seen by them (ie Kate's horse, Dave, Christian, Yemi). This would mark the first time it is actually acknowledged by someone else. Or it is not an incarnation of the monster at all.

One correction. Didn't Sawyer see Kate's horse?

And did Sayid see Shannon's Walt?

 

[FatBurger]

Taking into consideration the possibility of the monster appearing as these various animals, and that good/evil plays a role in the show....would Sayid have seen the cat if he had killed Mikhael?

 

[Thinker]

A couple of further observations:

This makes *two* Dharma stations that Locke was directly responsible for destroying through his own ignorance. Gotta wonder if he'll go three for three somehow.

Also...on (roughly) half of the island, the Dharma stations (Swan, Staff, Pearl) are all *hidden*. On the other half of the island (roughly) all but one of the stations (Barracks/Otherville, Flame, and marginally Hydra) are all *visible*. We can also add the wharf to the lineup of `visible' locations. (the only exception would appear to be the Arrow Hatch). Now...take this and combine with the `hostiles', and...

when they were first getting underway, the Dharma crew must have believed they had full control over about half the island. On that half, their stations were `visible'. But...they wanted to keep a real low profile on the other half of the island, because they were intruding onto somebody elses territory (the `hostiles'). Speculation: The Staff was more than just a `hospital' - it was also an advance base in the region controlled by the `hostiles'. Also, possibly the Pearl Station might have been intended to monitor the surrounding jungle. Whatever was going on at the Swan station was the reason for the (covert) Dharma presence there.

Also...the `Swan' orientation film was made circa 1980. The `incident' is refered to as a past event.

Kelvin Inmann and Mikhail (Patchy) look to have been the last actual Dharma recruits (though Patchy may not have made it all the way into Dharma). Kelvin was in Gulf War I (1991) and could not have been recruited to go to the island prior to that. Patchy mentions being on the island for 11 years. And it is 2004 in the show - hence, Patchy arrived circa 1993. Yet, according to him, the `purge' did not happen until after he arrived.

So...something happened (the Incident) just prior to 1980. Whatever it was, the result was that the Swan was put on caretaker status and the number punching doctrine was initiated.

Then, thirteen years later, in 1993 or thereabouts, the `purge' happened.

The `purge' explains why Kelvin and Desmond were never relieved - as far as (off island) Dharma HQ was concerned, all their people there were dead. Kelvin must have arrived when the outcome of the purge was still in doubt, when at least some Dharma folks thought they could still hold out.

I sort of suspect that sooner or later the lostaways are going to blunder into a massacre site dating from the time of the `purge'.

 

[Eryk]

I didn't really like this episode. Apart from the DHARMA cabling map, it doesn't seem like things have moved forward, and we didn't need the new mysteries. Sayid's flashback is a good story, but it's extra material (although I'm sure there'll be someone on the show who ate at Sami's restaurant, just to keep it all connected).

Kind of a let-down after Trisha Tanaka. The hippy-van thing, now THAT'S great television.

 

[MtDoraAngel]

Great thought Thinker. Makes alot of sense.

 

[Redguard]

Spoiler Alert:

I know we all sorta suspected this... but I didn't know it was actually confirmed:

Spoiler: Jack has a sibling

http://entertainment1.sympatico.msn.ca/TV_Guide/TVNews/Articles/060308_lost_GD

Thoughts?

 

[Eryk]

Interesting tidbits from lostpedia

* The Episode (Enter 77) premiered on March 7th, 2007.
* The Episode also occurs on day 77 in the LOST universe.

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Notation near The Flame on the blast door map: Alleged location of aborted #7

The square roots under The Flame are three of the Valenzetti numbers.

 

[GodrockDJ]

Spoiler Alert:

I know we all sorta suspected this... but I didn't know it was actually confirmed:

Spoiler: Jack has a sibling

http://entertainment1.sympatico.msn.ca/TV_Guide/TVNews/Articles/060308_lost_GD

Thoughts?

Yep, been wondering when the heck they'll reveal this. I think it will bring an interesting character development episode, anyways.

Ok here's a question - This is station #2 Locke has destroyed. However, an intelligent person like him has to realize typing "77" for Hostiles would do something? Or would he? The real question is - Did Locke do this on purpose because he wants to stay on the island? Cutting possible communications would definitely help that. Or was it just ignorance/stupidity?

 

[snoochface]

Yep, been wondering when the heck they'll reveal this. I think it will bring an interesting character development episode, anyways.

Ok here's a question - This is station #2 Locke has destroyed. However, an intelligent person like him has to realize typing "77" for Hostiles would do something? Or would he? The real question is - Did Locke do this on purpose because he wants to stay on the island? Cutting possible communications would definitely help that. Or was it just ignorance/stupidity?

Great question about Locke! He does not want to get off the island. After his talk with Rose, I suspect he knows he'll be back in that wheelchair if they are rescued.

 

[Eryk]

Locke looked surprised to me, when the station blew up. I think they made a point of showing him surprised.

 

[USincognito]

Any chance Kate's black horse could have come from the little farm they found last night?

That was my immediate thought. Also it could be an escapee from a farm over in Otherville.

 

[USincognito]

Well a simple click answered my own dang question:

That also answered a question of something I saw, but wasn't quite sure of. It looked like Mikail was putting the gun to his head when Locke grabbed it. Between that transcript and him telling Sayeed to finish him I'm sure now.

 

[kimber1]

i'm more confused after watching it again. the whole cat thing freaked me out/

okay so we know tht mikail was lying when he said he was dharma rightbut then why is he out there alone? and why did he give them all that info about the cables and communication and stuff? just to reel them in?
and i thought in the preview it said somehting about hitting buttone 3 8, not 7 7.

 

[USincognito]

and i thought in the preview it said somehting about hitting buttone 3 8, not 7 7.

If you haven't deleted it yet, replay that scene one more time. 3 8 is to initiate contact with the outside/mainland, another number set was to call for a sub, and 7 7 was in case the base was in imminent danger.

 

[BenAdam]

I think Locke was able to get some info we are not privy to after he punched in 77.

 

[Redguard]

So, did he have to beat the chess match EVERY TIME he wanted to access the Dharma menu?

I would've been stuck in that house forever...