Is Mary a source of Holiness?

[lionroar0]

Nor does it say that the Catholic denomination is.

The Catholic Church is not a denomination. Denominations are started by men. Like Luther, Calvin and Zwingly

Yes, Christians are to uphold the truth. But how that confirms that the Catholic denomination should self-claim that it alone is the sole individual authority, sole individual interpreter of Scripture and anything else it chooses to regard as authoritative, the sole individual arbiter of all matters of faith and practice and anything else it chooses to arbitrate, and that it alone individually is infallible in all the above. I'm just not reading that in that beloved verse quoted so often by our Catholic brothers and sisters.

The Scriptures do not say that Christians uphold the Truth. It says that the Church upholds the Truth. Let's not add to Scripture.

The fallacy of your argument is that any church no matter what the affiliation has to point back to Jesus.

Outside of the Self-claim of Jesus being God;
the sole individual authority, sole individual interpreter of Scripture and anything else He chooses to regard as authoritative, the sole individual arbiter of all matters of faith and practice and anything else it chooses to arbitrate, and that He alone individually is infallible in all the above.

A christian church has no leg to stand on.

This is the fallacy and hypocricy of your argument.


Peace

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by lionroar0

Jesus wasn't a Arab He was a Jew. Two different cultures and languages.

Peace

The Biblical Jew:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jew.htm

In his classic Facts are Facts, Jewish historian, researcher and scholar Benjamin Freedom writes:

Jesus is referred as a so-called "Jew" for the first time in the New Testament in the 18th century. Jesus is first referred to as a so-called "Jew" in the revised 18th century editions in the English language of the 14th century first translations of the New Testament into English.The history of the origin of the word "Jew" in the English language leaves no doubt that the 18th century "Jew" is the 18th century contracted and corrupted English word for the 4th century Latin "Iudaeus" found in St. Jerome's Vulgate Edition. Of that there is no longer doubt.

 

[IamAdopted]

The Scriptures do not say that Christians uphold the Truth. It says that the Church upholds the Truth. Let's not add to Scripture

and so whom is the church if it is not the Christians.. The bride of Christ?? For all whom believed God added to the church... To the Body and Christ Himself being the Head.. Not the pope but Christ..

 

[IamAdopted]

Here is the foundation which is already laid.. 1 Corinthians 3

11For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Not Christ and Mary.. Not Mary being any gate But Christ.

 

[lionroar0]

wow..nice. well, this that and the other was written in aramaic..so when I TELL you what aramaic means..OH no..can't be that...AND yes. I realize Jesus was a jew. NOT the point. Brother means BROTHER...not cousin or some other such. Give me a break

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The Nt was written in Greek and the word used was adelphos.

It could mean brother. It could mean half brother as not having the same two parents. It could mean brothers is Christ. It could mean counsins.

The point is if James was Jesus's brother then James would be refered to as the Second Son of Mary.

As it stands in the Scriptures there is only one Son of Mary and that is Jesus.

I have no idea why people would choose a secular and humanistic intepretation of Scripture over the one that the men that put together the Bible used. AS if yep we can trust them with the Bible, the Hypostatic union, the Trinity but got it all wrong when it came to the Ever-Virginity of Mary.

Jesus was a Hebrew. Not an Arab two different cultures and languages. Hows that?

Peace

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

mayve we played it differently.



And as I said I read ever-virgin. We obviously disagree.

to this.

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/
The Didache also says ever-virgin
between (50-120)
Eusibus Life of contantine book 4 mentions Mary being Ever Virgin 265-340
The Acts of St. Peter of Alxandria Mentions Mary being Ever-Virgin written between 300 and 311 and fragmenst.​

I have already explained this excerpt.​

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That is man made theology..NOT in the Bible. Sheesh...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Jesus was a Hebrew. Not an Arab two different cultures and languages. Hows that?

Peace

So you are saying God has a religion/race?

Zechariah 8:23 Thus said Jehovah of Hosts: In those days take hold do ten men of all languages of the nations, Yea, they have taken hold on the skirt/wing of a man/'iysh, a Jew/Y@huwdiy , saying: We go with you, for we heard God/'El-ohiym [is] with you!

 

[IamAdopted]

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The Nt was written in Greek and the word used was adelphos.

It could mean brother. It could mean half brother as not having the same two parents. It could mean brothers is Christ. It could mean counsins.

The point is if James was Jesus's brother then James would be refered to as the Second Son of Mary.

As it stands in the Scriptures there is only one Son of Mary and that is Jesus.

I have no idea why people would choose a secular and humanistic intepretation of Scripture over the one that the men that put together the Bible used. AS if yep we can trust them with the Bible, the Hypostatic union, the Trinity but got it all wrong when it came to the Ever-Virginity of Mary.

Jesus was a Hebrew. Not an Arab two different cultures and languages. Hows that?

Peace

The Greek language is very precise. It makes it quite clear whether or not people have the same parents.
According to Strong's Concordance, the Greek word used here for the "brothers" of Jesus is adelphos. It means, "from the same womb." These are men who have the same mother. Adelphos is also used to describe the brothers of Jesus in Matthew 12:46; John 2:12; John 7:3; and Acts 1:14. Adelphos is used to describe "James the Lord's brother" in Galatians 1:19. Adelphos is also used to describe the brothers Peter and Andrew (Matthew 4:18), and the brothers James and John (Matthew 4:21). Adelphe (the feminine form of adelphos) is used to describe Jesus' sisters (Matthew 13:56)
The Greek language has another word that is used for relatives who don't come from the same womb. The word suggenes is used to describe Mary's cousin, Elizabeth (Luke 1:36). Suggenes means, "a blood relative."

 

[lionroar0]

and so whom is the church if it is not the Christians.. The bride of Christ?? For all whom believed God added to the church... To the Body and Christ Himself being the Head.. Not the pope but Christ..

Every church has a head pastor. The head pastor of the Catholic Church is the Pope. The Church is the body of Christ.

The Church is the bulwark and pillar of Truth because it contains the full deposit of faith. Not the individual Christian but the Church as whole as a body.

Peace

 

[Iollain]

If you think Mary is represented as the Golden Gate, then what is the Temple, according to the RCC?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

If you think Mary is represented as the Golden Gate, then what is the Temple, according to the RCC?

That sounds like a good topic to start a thread on.

 

[IamAdopted]

Every church has a head pastor. The head pastor of the Catholic Church is the Pope. The Church is the body of Christ.

The Church is the bulwark and pillar of Truth because it contains the full deposit of faith. Not the individual Christian but the Church as whole as a body.

Peace

Pastors are limited in what they are to preach. They are not allowed to change the scriptures to make them what they want them to say.. The Pope says he is the vicar of Christ.. Pastors say they are the teachers of the scriptures.. Therefore there is a big difference..

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

The Church is the bulwark and pillar of Truth because it contains the full deposit of faith. Not the individual Christian but the Church as whole as a body.

Peace

1. The text says nothing about the Catholic denomination - or any other denomination.

2. I agree, it's not a matter of the individual - whether that be an individual person or congregation or denomination.

3. I agree, it's not a matter of an individual Christian person or denomination but the church as a whole. Which is one reason why I left the Catholic church. As Protestants often say, "It's not Jesus and ME, it's Jesus and WE."


Thank you!


Pax!


- Josiah



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[Iollain]

That sounds like a good topic to start a thread on.

yes it would be interesting

 

[lionroar0]

The Greek language is very precise. It makes it quite clear whether or not people have the same parents.
According to Strong's Concordance, the Greek word used here for the "brothers" of Jesus is adelphos. It means, "from the same womb."
These are men who have the same mother. Adelphos is also used to describe the brothers of Jesus in Matthew 12:46; John 2:12; John 7:3; and Acts 1:14. Adelphos is used to describe "James the Lord's brother" in Galatians 1:19. Adelphos is also used to describe the brothers Peter and Andrew (Matthew 4:18), and the brothers James and John (Matthew 4:21). Adelphe (the feminine form of adelphos) is used to describe Jesus' sisters (Matthew 13:56)
The Greek language has another word that is used for relatives who don't come from the same womb. The word suggenes is used to describe Mary's cousin, Elizabeth (Luke 1:36). Suggenes means, "a blood relative."

From blue letter Bible online Strong's concordance on the meanign of adelphos. It is non-catholic site.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/words.pl?book=Mar&chapter=6&verse=3&strongs=80&page=


1) a brother, whether born of the same two parents or only of the same father or mother
2) having the same national ancestor, belonging to the same people, or countryman
3) any fellow or man
4) a fellow believer, united to another by the bond of affection
5) an associate in employment or office
6) brethren in Christ
a) his brothers by blood
b) all men
c) apostles d) Christians, as those who are exalted to the same heavenly place

http://www.catholicundertow.com/Chapter-13.shtml.

BTW you should stay away from anti-catholic sites such as the catholics undertow which have an anti-catholic agenda. They will lie to you and give you erroneous information.
The Greek language is very precise. It makes it quite clear whether or not people have the same parents.
According to Strong’s Concordance, the Greek word used here for the “brothers” of Jesus is adelphos. It means, “from the same womb.” These are men who have the same mother. Adelphos is also used to describe the brothers of Jesus in Matthew 12:46; John 2:12; John 7:3; and Acts 1:14. Adelphos is used to describe “James the Lord’s brother” in Galatians 1:19. Adelphos is also used to describe the brothers Peter and Andrew (Matthew 4:18), and the brothers James and John (Matthew 4:21). Adelphe (the feminine form of adelphos) is used to describe Jesus’ sisters (Matthew 13:56)
The Greek language has another word that is used for relatives who don’t come from the same womb. The word suggenes is used to describe Mary’s cousin, Elizabeth (Luke 1:36). Suggenes means, “a blood relative.”


Also just to let you know Mary Ann Collins was never a former nun.
Peace

 

[IamAdopted]

Pastors are limited in what they are to preach. They are not allowed to change the scriptures to make them what they want them to say.. The Pope says he is the vicar of Christ.. Pastors say they are the teachers of the scriptures.. Therefore there is a big difference..

Vicar 4.a person who acts in place of another; substitute. They say that the Pople is the substitute for Christ?? WHen scripture Tells us that He is the Head of His church and all others are just the body..

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Pastors are limited in what they are to preach. They are not allowed to change the scriptures to make them what they want them to say.. The Pope says he is the vicar of Christ.. Pastors say they are the teachers of the scriptures.. Therefore there is a big difference..

PERSONALLY, I am just as cautious of the Protestant pastor who self-claims to be the sole individual authority, sole individual interpreter, sole individual arbiter, infallible and thus unaccountable in all the above - his own evaluator of his own teachings according to the rule of his own teachings, as I would of a denominational leader such as Pope Benedict or Dr. Jerry Kieschnick doing the same thing. Luther condemned that just as strongly among Protestants as he did among Catholics. Sends a red flag up to me - regardless of who so self-claims.


My $0.01


Pax!


- Josiah

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

1. The text says nothing about the Catholic denomination - or any other denomination.

2. I agree, it's not a matter of the individual - whether that be an individual person or congregation or denomination.

3. I agree, it's not a matter of an individual Christian person or denomination but the church as a whole. Which is one reason why I left the Catholic church. As Protestants often say, "It's not Jesus and ME, it's Jesus and WE."


Thank you!


Pax!


- Josiah



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1 Peter 2:5 and ye yourselves, as living stones, are built up, a spiritual house/oikodomeisqe <3618>, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Matt 23:38 Lo, left a wilderness to you is your house/oikoV <3624>;

 

[lionroar0]

Pastors are limited in what they are to preach. They are not allowed to change the scriptures to make them what they want them to say.. The Pope says he is the vicar of Christ.. Pastors say they are the teachers of the scriptures.. Therefore there is a big difference..
Vicar 4.a person who acts in place of another; substitute. They say that the Pople is the substitute for Christ?? WHen scripture Tells us that He is the Head of His church and all others are just the body..

Yet taking something out of context and giving it a different meaning.

Substitute as in the earthly head of the Church protecting and deciminating the teachings of Christ to His Church. Till Christ comes again in the flesh.

Pretty much the samething a preacer does.

Not substitute as in taking the place of Christ.

Peace

 

[IamAdopted]

adephos ad-el-[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]' from 1 (as a connective particle) and delphus (the womb

431. anepsios an-eps'-ee-os from 1 (as a particle of union) and an obsolete nepos (a brood); properly, akin, i.e. (specially) a cousin:--sister's son.

4773. suggenes soong-ghen-ace' from 4862 and 1085; a relative (by blood); by extension, a fellow countryman:--cousin, kin(-sfolk, -sman).

3609. oikeios oy-ki'-os from 3624; domestic, i.e. (as noun), a relative, adherent:--(those) of the (his own) house(-hold).

81. adelphotes ad-el-fot'-ace from 80; brotherhood (properly, the feeling of brotherliness), i.e. the (Christian) fraternity:--brethren, brotherhood.

5360. philadelphia fil-ad-el-fee'-ah from 5361; fraternal affection:--brotherly love (kindness), love of the brethren.

5569. pseudadelphos psyoo-dad'-el-[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] from 5571 and 80; a spurious brother, i.e. pretended associate:--false brethren.

Here are some greek words.