Dinosaurs and People

[Servant222]

Flat earth is one thing, but what about the widely held belief that the earth was the center of the Universe- again, over 1500 years of learned scholars, and probably also the Disciples, believed that.

If they were all here today, they would be adamant that their interpretation of the Scriptures was correct, and likely claiming that anyone that didn't believe in an earth-centered Universe was risking eternal damnation.

It was science that eventually won the day, and likely stopped a flood of disillusioned believers from questioning their faith.

 

[gluadys]

Luke 17:34-36 tells us of Jesus' return...some will be in bed while others will be in the field. He's not talking about working 3rd shift either lol. This is an example of a rotating earth where while some work in the day, others sleep in the night.

In my bible, it doesn't mention any field. It mentions two men in bed while two women are grinding meal. A pretty typical pre-dawn scenario in most any peasant household of the time.

Even Aristotle, Pythagorus, and Plato believed in a round earth as well as early church fathers such as Augustine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
So, to say that culture believed in flat earth is simply wrong.

But almost all the OT writers had written before any of these were born. By the time these writers came along, the fact that the earth is a sphere had become known, especially to those with scientific and mathematical interests like Aristotle and Pythagoras.

The hebrew word chuwg in Is. 40:22 litterally means sphere. http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/cosmology.html

Since I don't know Hebrew, I will not argue that point, but I do wonder why all the translations say "circle" not "sphere", and not just "liberal" translations either.

Furthermore, Isaiah 40:21 speaks of the foundations of the earth, and the latter half of 40:22 speaks of the heavens being stretched out over the earth like "a tent to live in". In that context, "circle" is a lot more consistent than "sphere". And the whole description implies the assumption of a flat earth.

 

[Mallon]

The hebrew word chuwg in Is. 40:22 litterally means sphere. http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/cosmology.html

Don't think so. Everywhere I've looked, "chuwg" is translated at "circle" (occasionally "vault" or "compass"). Look in Strong's Hebrew Dictionary for yourself: http://strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/2328.htm
I'm afraid your Chuck Missler link provides no substantiation for his claim other than stating "the literal meaning of this word is 'a sphere!'"

 

[gluadys]

I guess I should have clarified that further. There are 20 amino acids that are coded for in ALL living organisms. In addition, humans (and maybe other primates. not certain here.) code for Selenocysteine (cysteine with Se substituted for S). Certain bacteria code for another amino acid which I cannot remember right now.

Is it also true that there are many amino acids in addition to those coded for by DNA? I heard this somewhere, but have never verified it.

 

[BlackAndy]

Just popping in on page 33 so I do not know if this has been shared or not:

What do you guys make of this?

 

[Mallon]

Just popping in on page 33 so I do not know if this has been shared or not:

What do you guys make of this?

I would need a few questions answered first:
1. Where did it come from?
2. How old is it?
3. Who made it?
4. Why did somebody put a rabbit head on the body of a Stegosaurus?

 

[Melethiel]

Is it also true that there are many amino acids in addition to those coded for by DNA? I heard this somewhere, but have never verified it.

Yes. Don't ask me what they are though...my biochem prof only mentioned that there are tons of amino acids, but we only had to memorize the coded ones.

 

[BlackAndy]

I would need a few questions answered first:
1. Where did it come from?
2. How old is it?
3. Who made it?
4. Why did somebody put a rabbit head on the body of a Stegosaurus?

A link is provided in the original post. It is in Angkor.

 

[BlackAndy]

This is a tapestry that was unearthed in a Nazca tomb (approximately 1300 years ago)

 

[BlackAndy]

This one is Incan:

A human riding a dinosaur?

 

[Mallon]

A link is provided in the original post. It is in Angkor.

Ah. In that case, I will trade your link for another link:
http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/aig/daily/2007/20070115_dinosaur.htm

 

[KerrMetric]

That looks like an Ica stone carved in the 1970's by some guys in Peru ripping off tourists.

 

[random_guy]

This one is Incan:

A human riding a dinosaur?

Well, I know the Inca stones are hoaxes made to scam people. I have a good feeling the others are probably hoaxes or just inconclusive evidence. Of course, all of this doesn't really matter becaues if a dinosaur is found, it has no effect on the age of the Earth estimate, and would only require revisions to the ToE. If anything, finding an actual dinosaur would greatly help evolution because then we could test several key predictions. However, all this speculation is pointless because without hard scientific evidence of humans and dinosaur co-existing, then it's mostlikely that they never co-existed.

 

[Mallon]

This one is Incan:

A human riding a dinosaur?

Yeah, those Ica stones have been proven to be hoaxes time and again.

 

[Dannager]

Would you mind providing sources for these images, BlackAndy? Without them, we have no way of knowing if they are legitimate or not.

 

[Dannager]

Yeah, those Ica stones have been proven to be hoaxes time and again.

Hahahaha, oh wow. And evolutionists get derided for having hoaxes in our past. At least we make a point not to use them in our arguments after they've been shown to be hoaxes.

 

[Dannager]

This is a tapestry that was unearthed in a Nazca tomb (approximately 1300 years ago)

Oh my goodness, the very likeness of the extremely rare pixel-camel!

 

[BlackAndy]

Oh my goodness, the very likeness of the extremely rare pixel-camel!

Except camels aren't in Peru.

Anyway....

One doesn't have to look too hard to find evidence of dinosaurs or creatures similar to dinosaurs in recent history. The Bible speaks of them (Job 40 and 41), the Cree Indians portrayed them in their artwork, as did the Anasazi, and several other ancient cultures around the world did the same. There is also the Lake Champlain creature and Loch Ness. These types of creatures have been seen throughout Asia, Europe, Africa, North and South America, as well as numerous islands dotting the continent of Oceania.

Far too much to just dismiss.

 

[Melethiel]

The critters mentioned in Job by no means have to be read as dinosaurs. The most common understanding is that the leviathan and behemoth are a crocodile and hippo, respectively. On a side note that I find interesting, "behemot" means "hippo" in several languages.

 

[Mallon]

Except camels aren't in Peru.

Neither are dinosaurs.

One doesn't have to look too hard to find evidence of dinosaurs or creatures similar to dinosaurs in recent history. The Bible speaks of them (Job 40 and 41)

As a palaeontologist, I can tell you with confidence that the descriptions given in Job do not match those of any dinosaur yet known. I'm with Melethiel -- the descriptions more closely match those of overhyped crocs and hippos. Not the first time that's done in Job.

the Cree Indians portrayed them in their artwork, as did the Anasazi, and several other ancient cultures around the world did the same.

I highly recommend the following book by Adrienne Mayor:
http://www.amazon.com/Fossil-Legend...ef=sr_1_3/104-8625192-2921567?ie=UTF8&s=books
The first Americans were very familiar with dinosaur bones, and very likely incorporated these fossils in their folklore.

There is also the Lake Champlain creature and Loch Ness. These types of creatures have been seen throughout Asia, Europe, Africa, North and South America, as well as numerous islands dotting the continent of Oceania.

So have aliens. And Bigfoot. And ghosts. And unicorns. And fairies.

Far too much to just dismiss.

Indeed.