Science sometimes proves Bible right but never wrong

[Carey]

When scientific theories seemingly contradict the bible dont waste your time.

They will stay only theories 100 % of the time.

Here is what the Bible has to say about such stupidity.

1 Timothy 6 20Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, 21which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith.
Grace be with you.

And when someone is silly enough to base their opinions on any such theory here is what the bible says to do about it.

2 Timothy 2 : 23Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

 

[Dannager]

Why in the world would you consider scientific theories "stupidity"?

 

[busterdog]

Why in the world would you consider scientific theories "stupidity"?

I don't understand the question. (Or I hope I don't.)

The OP is about scientific theories contradicting the Bible.

Do we like such theories or not?

 

[philadiddle]

Or, maybe if a scientific theory contradicts the Bible, then one's interpretation of the bible must be inaccurate. We should stay away from such foolish interpretations. And what does the bible have to say about such "stup....

Ok, so i guess throwing your post back at you means i too would have to be ignorantly insulting you. So i'll stop there, hoping you get my point.

 

[Mallon]

So it goes now. Whoever wants to be clever must agree with nothing that others esteem. He must do something of his own. This is what that fellow does who wishes to turn the whole of astronomy upside down. Even in these things that are thrown into disorder I believe the Holy Scriptures, for Joshua commanded the sun to stand still and not the earth [Joshua 10:12].

Food for thought.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

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[Deamiter]

Science sometimes proves Bible right but never wrong

Amen! Of course I'm sure we can both agree that science can show how one interpretation of the Bible is more likely to be accurate than another.

Edited to add:
Although I am a bit bothered by your use of the word "proof." Science can't prove anything by its nature. It can provide evidence and give a most likely conclusion, but if you think science can prove ANYTHING (even in the Bible) you've got a serious misunderstanding of science.

 

[shernren]

Calling science "knowledge falsely called" on a computer and posting it on the Internet is the height of irony.

 

[pastorkevin73]

When scientific theories seemingly contradict the bible dont waste your time.

They will stay only theories 100 % of the time.

Here is what the Bible has to say about such stupidity.

1 Timothy 6 20Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, 21which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith.
Grace be with you.

And when someone is silly enough to base their opinions on any such theory here is what the bible says to do about it.

2 Timothy 2 : 23Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

Thanks for the reminder!

 

[Carey]

Amen! Of course I'm sure we can both agree that science can show how one interpretation of the Bible is more likely to be accurate than another.

Edited to add:
Although I am a bit bothered by your use of the word "proof." Science can't prove anything by its nature. It can provide evidence and give a most likely conclusion, but if you think science can prove ANYTHING (even in the Bible) you've got a serious misunderstanding of science.

Interesting.

So lets try a scientific experiment.

Put fire to a piece of papaer . Can this experiment prove fire will burn paper??

 

[Carey]

Calling science "knowledge falsely called" on a computer and posting it on the Internet is the height of irony.

False knowlege is science or theotires that seem to contradict the Bible.

1 Timothy 6 20Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, 21which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith.
Grace be with you.

 

[Carey]

Why in the world would you consider scientific theories "stupidity"?

Only theories that seem to contradict the bible are stupid.

Any argiement that would contradict the Bible the bible has something to say about.

2 timothy 2 : 23Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

1 Timothy 6 20Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, 21which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith.
Grace be with you.

 

[Dannager]

Only theories that seem to contradict the bible are stupid.

I've found it far more probable that interpretations of the Bible that contradict scientific finding are stupid. Between scientific understanding and the personal interpretation of the Bible, the latter is far more likely to be shamefully incorrect.

 

[Deamiter]

Interesting.

So lets try a scientific experiment.

Put fire to a piece of papaer . Can this experiment prove fire will burn paper??

No it can't. It can provide evidence that fire burns paper, but you can't guarentee 100% that the paper will burn next time you put fire to it. Proof is defined only in mathematics because given a certain set of assumptions you CAN show that a conclusion is 100% true. In any other scientific context, what you end up with is a leading theory supported by evidence. You can look into it via google -- I'm not splitting hairs, this is a major misunderstanding that the general public generally has about science and the word "proof."

You say that only theories that seem to contradict the Bible are stupid, but you still haven't defined how the Bible should be interpreted. Martin Luther found it the height of stupidity to suggest that the Earth revolves around the sun because to him, the idea seemed to contradict the Bible. In reality, what you're calling stupid is a theory that seems to contradict YOUR understanding the of the Bible and as a human (like us all) you are prone to errors. Just because someone (anyone -- myself included) thinks a theory contradicts their understanding of the Bible does not immediately make the theory wrong because their UNDERSTANDING of the Bible might also be wrong.

 

[Carey]

I've found it far more probable that interpretations of the Bible that contradict scientific finding are stupid. Between scientific understanding and the personal interpretation of the Bible, the latter is far more likely to be shamefully incorrect.

So is this incorrect??

1 Timothy 6 20Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, 21which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith.
Grace be with you.

 

[Carey]

No it can't. It can provide evidence that fire burns paper, but you can't guarentee 100% that the paper will burn next time you put fire to it. Proof is defined only in mathematics because given a certain set of assumptions you CAN show that a conclusion is 100% true. In any other scientific context, what you end up with is a leading theory supported by evidence. You can look into it via google -- I'm not splitting hairs, this is a major misunderstanding that the general public generally has about science and the word "proof."

You say that only theories that seem to contradict the Bible are stupid, but you still haven't defined how the Bible should be interpreted. Martin Luther found it the height of stupidity to suggest that the Earth revolves around the sun because to him, the idea seemed to contradict the Bible. In reality, what you're calling stupid is a theory that seems to contradict YOUR understanding the of the Bible and as a human (like us all) you are prone to errors. Just because someone (anyone -- myself included) thinks a theory contradicts their understanding of the Bible does not immediately make the theory wrong because their UNDERSTANDING of the Bible might also be wrong.

Well stated.

Yes human interpretation is falible but not the Holy Spirits.

So If science seems to disprove the Bble to anyone who has the Holy Spirit dwelling in them they must have turned from their faith.

And maybe Martin Luther did not have the Holy spirit dwelling in him. I dont know.

 

[Deamiter]

Well stated.

Yes human interpretation is falible but not the Holy Spirits.

So If science seems to disprove the Bble to anyone who has the Holy Spirit dwelling in them they must have turned from their faith.

And maybe Martin Luther did not have the Holy spirit dwelling in him. I dont know.

Ah yes, just suggest that somebody who disagrees with you just doesn't have the Holy Spirit in them...

I read my Bible and pray daily for the holy spirit to guide me in my studies and in my daily life. I don't pretend that the Holy Spirit will guide me correctly in ALL matters of Biblical interpretation -- only in those that he (she/it?) feels I need guidance.

I would find it the height of arrogance for one to claim that the holy spirit guides them to perfect theological understanding of all matters pertaining to the Bible. In my opinion it is BECAUSE God doesn't really care what we think about origins or baptism or communion that there are such diverse understandings in Christianity. God values highly our continued loving relationship with him and while I'm sure the Holy Spirit guides many in many ways it's clear to me that unity in the church on such small doctrinal matters is a very low priority compared to our relationship with Christ and witness to the unbelievers!

Note that no theistic evolutionist would EVER claim that science has disproven the Bible. We do tend to claim that science can disprove a particular interpretation of scriptures though.

 

[chaoschristian]

1 Timothy 6:20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, 21which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith.
Grace be with you.

3If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

2 Timothy 2:23 Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

17Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18who have wandered away from the truth.

in both case the passages are specific admonitions to stay clear of teaching that Paul disapproves, and to keep within his teachings.

The first passage referenced is specifically talking about not being a part of a culture that abuses religion by taking advantage of others through the power of preaching and using that as a means of gaining wealth. Basically Paul is saying, don't be a tv evagelist.

The second passage referenced is specifically talking about teachings Paul considers false.

Through what leap of logic are we then to find it sound to apply these passages as an admonition against scientific knowledge in general?

If you really believe scripture is holy, please don't abuse it in this manner.

 

[chaoschristian]

the statment: science disproves the Bible has no value

 

[The Lady Kate]

Well stated.

Yes human interpretation is falible but not the Holy Spirits.

And last I checked... neither one of us are the Holy Spirit.

So If science seems to disprove the Bble to anyone who has the Holy Spirit dwelling in them they must have turned from their faith.

Let's try an experiment... you and I both have an interpretation of the Bible... our interpretations disagree. Which one of us has the Holy Spirit dwelling in us, and which of us have turned from the faith?

And maybe Martin Luther did not have the Holy spirit dwelling in him. I dont know.

because he committed the unforgivable sin of disproving you?