Aliens

[DrkSdBls]

As someone who experience hypnopompic hallucinations (not quite the same as sleep paralysis) and I can vouch for what plindboe stated.

Also as someone who has "Suffered" these same "hypnopompic hallucinations", I can vouch Against what plindboe stated.

The vast amount of alien abductions can be explained by sleep paralysis, which is a half-sleep state where one feels paralysed, often difficulty to breathe, accompanied by intense emotions of fear and often accompanied by hypnopompic and hypnogogic hallucinations.
Peter

Only about 55% of Unexplained Encounters can be Fully Explained by Sleep Related Hallucinations. This is being liberal when taking into account all Accounts of the subject being "Awaken from a state of Sleep" and witnessing Extratarrestials. Sleep Related Hallucinations do not account for the 45% of accounts of people who had encounters while Awake. Even if 3/4s of those accounts are lies or given by Drunks and Drugies, that's still a significant ammount of people whose stories can't not be just hand-waived by anyone whose too afraid of the truth.


Now, I'm not too much into believing in Alien Abduction stories nor do I really much care but I'm very concerned with those who try to always relate Sleep Related Hallucinations and Alien Abductions as though they are "The Same Thing: Case Closed." They're not Always. So deal with it.

For the most part, they did not start occurring till the advent of manned air travel and specifically the development of rocketry that brought the idea of travel in space into the realm of possibility.

Before the early to mid 1900's, these same strange occurences happened, but it was demons faeries, and other spirits instead of little green men and spaceships.

Not intirely true. You use the word "Instead" to imply that all the stories priar to the 1900's were about "demons faeries, and other spirits" and not Extraterrestials but in reality, it actually makes more sense that all the storys about "demons, faeries, and other spirits" were actually about Extraterrestials.

In fact, there are many instances of Paintings, Pottery, Jewery, Etc. from many Cultures that showed many Beings (Of a muiltitude Sizes, Shapes, and Colours) in some relation to other Unexplained Objects; Some even Circular, "Disklike" objects.

Of course, these are few and far between and hardly any evidence but the point remains that Unexplained Encounters (many by beings from the Skys) is a Global occurance that has been recorded by many different people from many periods of our history.

Such accounts are Not confined to just the pass 100 or so years. They may not all be about "Aliens" but they do prove that it's not all Culture influanced.

 

[simplyg123]

someone state that the accounts of aliens didnt start till, man made flight arrived, however this is not true.

there ahave been cave drawings found of some kind of space man

not to mention many other artifacts that resemble what people of today call aliens

check out this site for more info

Siriusly - Aliens [Ancient Astronauts]

Kayapo, the Scythian artifact, 700 BC ~ found preserved in frozen tombs
in the Altai region of Siberia, Russia ~ near the China border.​

 

[rmwilliamsll]

someone state that the accounts of aliens didnt start till, man made flight arrived, however this is not true.

there ahave been cave drawings found of some kind of space man

not to mention many other artifacts that resemble what people of today call aliens

check out this site for more info

Siriusly - Aliens [Ancient Astronauts]

Kayapo, the Scythian artifact, 700 BC ~ found preserved in frozen tombs
in the Altai region of Siberia, Russia ~ near the China border.​

wow they look just like Hopi kachinas.

now i am a believer, even the helmets look real.

 

[Phred]

Their are many accounts of people being obducted, seeing strange fling saucers, and, well you know the stories.

How can so many people witness these strange things, this has happened to doctors and lawers, and what one would call credible people.

Is it all A hoax

In order to travel to the nearest star, Proxima Centauri, it would take about 4,200 years using the fastest propulsion system we can propose, not the fastest in existence. At the speed the Space Shuttle travels in orbit the journey would take 160,000 years.

The creation of a ship capable of sustaining life for even 100 years would bankrupt the entire global economy. The resources of every country would have to be turned toward the building of this ship. And we'd be sending it out to a place that may or may not have a habitable planet around it.

So let's imagine that the aliens are far advanced from where we are. They can make the journey in just a few hundred years and don't have to bankrupt their entire world to do it. Why in the world would they arrive here and NOT make their presence known? How could they not need resupply?

The idea that an alien world could make such a huge investment in a mission to capture a few humans and look into their butts is simply ridiculous.

Yes, alien abductions are a lie.

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[simplyg123]

In order to travel to the nearest star, Proxima Centauri, it would take about 4,200 years using the fastest propulsion system we can propose, not the fastest in existence. At the speed the Space Shuttle travels in orbit the journey would take 160,000 years.

The creation of a ship capable of sustaining life for even 100 years would bankrupt the entire global economy. The resources of every country would have to be turned toward the building of this ship. And we'd be sending it out to a place that may or may not have a habitable planet around it.

So let's imagine that the aliens are far advanced from where we are. They can make the journey in just a few hundred years and don't have to bankrupt their entire world to do it. Why in the world would they arrive here and NOT make their presence known? How could they not need resupply?

The idea that an alien world could make such a huge investment in a mission to capture a few humans and look into their butts is simply ridiculous.

Yes, alien abductions are a lie.

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well this is your oppinion, and since you are willing to allow the time to reach a place that is 4200 light years away , to be reduced down to 100 years, why not reduce it to 1 day, then they wouldnt need supplies.

As far as them making thier presence know, what would our planet do if we found out for fact aliens were real....i believe it would quite chaotic and im sure these aliens know that, if they exisit

 

[rmwilliamsll]

Originally Posted by Phred View Post
In order to travel to the nearest star, Proxima Centauri, it would take about 4,200 years using the fastest propulsion system we can propose, not the fastest in existence. At the speed the Space Shuttle travels in orbit the journey would take 160,000 years.

The creation of a ship capable of sustaining life for even 100 years would bankrupt the entire global economy. The resources of every country would have to be turned toward the building of this ship. And we'd be sending it out to a place that may or may not have a habitable planet around it.

So let's imagine that the aliens are far advanced from where we are. They can make the journey in just a few hundred years and don't have to bankrupt their entire world to do it. Why in the world would they arrive here and NOT make their presence known? How could they not need resupply?

The idea that an alien world could make such a huge investment in a mission to capture a few humans and look into their butts is simply ridiculous.

Yes, alien abductions are a lie.

well this is your oppinion, and since you are willing to allow the time to reach a place that is 4200 light years away , to be reduced down to 100 years, why not reduce it to 1 day, then they wouldnt need supplies.

As far as them making thier presence know, what would our planet do if we found out for fact aliens were real....i believe it would quite chaotic and im sure these aliens know that, if they exisit

you are misunderstanding his second point.
it is not a negociation of the science from 4200 to 100 years but rather an example that even a 100 years provisioning would bankrupt the world's economy.

the first point is that the speeds or time necessary are not scientifically accepted to evidence that interstellar travel is fessible.

the second point is that provisioning for a long trip is not economically possible.

the 3rd point is that they have no good reason not to announce their presence.

i share his reasoning, for like time travel, i think that interstellar travel is highly improbably* since we do not see a tourist travel office anywhere on this earth, for either population(time travel, interstellar travel), something that i find essential if either are possible.

your misunderstanding changes nothing in this analysis, but makes your reasoning(or is it reading?) skills suspect.

notes:
* as is rightly pointed out below, science does not make impossible claims about the future, only something like highly improbably. so i changed "impossible" to the proper wording.

 

[simplyg123]

you are misunderstanding his second point.
it is not a negociation of the science from 4200 to 100 years but rather an example that even a 100 years provisioning would bankrupt the world's economy.

the first point is that the speeds or time necessary are not scientifically accepted to evidence that interstellar travel is fessible.

the second point is that provisioning for a long trip is not economically possible.

the 3rd point is that they have no good reason not to announce their presence.

i share his reasoning, for like time travel, i think that interstellar travel is impossible since we do not see a tourist travel office anywhere on this earth, for either population(time travel, interstellar travel), something that i find essential if either are possible.

your misunderstanding changes nothing in this analysis, but makes your reasoning(or is it reading?) skills suspect.

well see all this is based on our knowlegde, our intelligence.

Do you really think we know all that there is to be known?

Do you really think all science's secrets have been revealed?

I seriously doubt we know it all, so to state anything is impossible, is an assumption based on our current intelligence

 

[rmwilliamsll]

well see all this is based on our knowlegde, our intelligence.

Do you really think we know all that there is to be known?

Do you really think all science's secrets have been revealed?

I seriously doubt we know it all, so to state anything is impossible, is an assumption based on our current intelligence

Do you really think we know all that there is to be known?


has anyone here made that claim? i didn't. i agreed with a very limited analysis, i claimed nothing about the sufficiency of any knowledge acquistion system.

Do you really think all science's secrets have been revealed?


science is revealing the universe's secrets and therefore is not secret but open knowledge. i suspect you mean to say "do you think science has revealled all the universe's secrets?"

i never made this kind of claim, nor would i. i have systematically argued many times in the 5K+ postings i have made here on CF that science is a truncated system of knowledge acquisitions that is restricted as to both domain and tools. i claim nothing different than that now.

I seriously doubt we know it all, so to state anything is impossible, is an assumption based on our current intelligence

you are right, i will amend my posting above.
thank you.

 

[Aggie]

Maybe it was just one of our pyromaniac neighbors goofing around.

Mom

Edited by the real Aggie to say: I guess this is the price for having left my account logged in while I was using my mother's computer.

 

[plindboe]

Also as someone who has "Suffered" these same "hypnopompic hallucinations", I can vouch Against what plindboe stated.

What specifically about my description of sleep paralysis are you vouching against?

Only about 55% of Unexplained Encounters can be Fully Explained by Sleep Related Hallucinations. This is being liberal when taking into account all Accounts of the subject being "Awaken from a state of Sleep" and witnessing Extratarrestials. Sleep Related Hallucinations do not account for the 45% of accounts of people who had encounters while Awake. Even if 3/4s of those accounts are lies or given by Drunks and Drugies, that's still a significant ammount of people whose stories can't not be just hand-waived by anyone whose too afraid of the truth.

What study arrived at this 55% number?

If true that 45% are not fully explained, these cases do still not count for evidence for anything other than: "we don't know". This fallacy is known as appeal to ignorance, and is very common among people who harbour paranormal, religious or other irrational beliefs. It goes like this-> Unexplained=Evidence for favorite fantasy.

That said, the truth is all I'm interested in, and I will change my mind if shown proper evidence. The problem is that believers in aliens frequently doesn't seem to have a clue on what constitutes proper evidence.

Now, I'm not too much into believing in Alien Abduction stories nor do I really much care but I'm very concerned with those who try to always relate Sleep Related Hallucinations and Alien Abductions as though they are "The Same Thing: Case Closed." They're not Always. So deal with it.

No one has claimed they are always the same.

Peter

 

[ranmaonehalf]

Their are many accounts of people being obducted, seeing strange fling saucers, and, well you know the stories.

How can so many people witness these strange things, this has happened to doctors and lawers, and what one would call credible people.

Is it all A hoax

It is all a hoax? No.
It some? Yes
Are some of these experiences brain based? Yes.

Are a lot of them? Likely..

Do aliens exists? Considering how reaaly really big the universe is i would have to say that life almost must exists. Intelligent, also it almost must exists.
Traveling to this planet? That is unlikely unless they have discovered some way to travel long distance in a short amount of time.

Regardless it would be cool if they do show up and they arernt all war of hte worlds..

 

[ranmaonehalf]

no, but court cases do except video evidence, and their are many videos, that have been proven to be unedited and genuine

evidence of dots in the sky.. most are explained.

what they need is a close encouters video evidence.
a working ship landing on the whitehouse lawn would also work.

 

[ranmaonehalf]

......

I guess it might have been some sort of secret military aircraft, but there aren’t any military bases near where I live.

Thats becuase they are secret bases...