I would like to start of by saying that many people have given wonderful responses to these many, oh so many questions. Praise you all for your insight, patience, and perseverance.
Now I will add my own answers to this, and see what it brings.
Okay my first question is: Why does god even care wether we believe or not?
Great question, Why should God care, I mean after all, we are just insignificant life forms on a tiny dot in the universe of his creation. Compared to all God has created, we are less then dust. And yet, God has given us a chance to be with him in Heaven.
Why would God pay such attention to us, is beyond me, I am just thankful for the fact that he does. That by some grace of his, that we are something that he likes and cares about.
If nothing else, that is testament to his endless and eternal love.
But why? Well that best answer I can give right now is because God is just that awesome and compassionate.
why does he punish some people for their sins and not others when its obviously unfair to do so?
Really? This is unfair? How so?
what does believing in a god or gods or other supernatural myths have to do with your actions in life and being a moral ethical person.
Well I cant speak for many religions, but, when you follow Christianity, there is something called Sin, this is what we are to avoid and/or overcome in our lives. Not surprisingly by avoiding this thing called Sin, we end up living a positive life full of fruitful physical and psychological benefits, and behold the rest of our world considers or life style morally Good. Imagine that.
Now, Many people will talk of Morals, Ethics, and being Good or Bad, but what these people lack is a means by how to measure what is Good or Evil, but, God, did provide us a means and a measure of how to gauge and determine Good form Evil, so, religion is paramount to ones concept of Good and Evil.
Just because you believe something that makes it okay to do whatever you want and get away with it? If I truly believed a pink unicorn was going to make my sins vanish with his magical horn does that mean god would forgive me ?
I would imagine not. That is you trying to apply your beliefs to God. God came first, we either follow God, or we do not. We accept God as God is, or we do not accept God as God is. If I believed God would remove my Sins, if I ran naked in the park, while shouting Pink Unicorn over and over again, this does not make it so, because that is not the message God has passed down to us. That is me, trying to force God to conform to my belief, as opposed to just following God.
Either jesus died for humans sins or he didnt. Their is no magic box a stork brings you with magic sin cleanser potion inside when you believe.
Umm, about that, yah, see, it was only for that that would accept his Gift, so, although you are correct that there is no Stork, or Box, there is a Cleansing of Sin, that is only going to be applied to those that have sought forgiveness and accepted Jesus sacrifice.
Sorry if you do not like that idea.
If I died and christianity was the true religion and god was there what would he say? God: Oh I just read your mind and um yeah why didnt you believe in jesus dude! I gotta punish you now. Yeah heres your list of sins. Lets see.. you stole a few times , swore alot , were disobedient and lazy sometimes, got in a few fights etc. And your punishment is ..*calculating sin points* infinite torture!!
Beyond the fact that there will be no Trial to speak of until Revelations, if God was going to meet everyone (Why he would is beyond me, but for the sake of the situation)
I never quite imagined it that easy going, I thought it would go along the lines of something like this.
God : My Son, my flesh, my blood, that was not enough for you?
You: (Now realizing how much a mistake you made) Ummmmm
And we can figure out where the rest of that Goes. It ends with you in Hell.
lol If it asked who was your savior I would say jesus just in case, or if there were lots of men around with 72 girlfriends I would say mohamhud(sp)! Hahaha
Cute, Lie directly to the face of God Almighty, I can only imagine how well that will serve you.
If christians get forgiven by god for every thing they do what stops them from being immoral? /sarcasm
The part where God says, Follow my Commands you know, the little clause in the deal that says Go forth and sin no more those kinds of fun things.
Okay and my second question is something youve probably read before.
Umm you have asked a lot more then two questions here.
Why did god create evil? why does he let evil exist? why did he design man to sin? the bible says numerous times he created good and evil.
This is not one question, this is like 3 questions all lumped together.
Why did God Create Evil?: Because he chose to.
Why did God let Evil Exist? Because he chose to.
Why did he design Man to sin? At first it says He didnt. but if he did, it would have been Because he Chose to
I am sure you are seeing a theme in the answers here.
why does the bible say theres no sins in heaven then it says satan and one third of the angels sinned and turned against god in heaven? It aslo says theyre will be a war in heaven in revalation.
Because the Bible says Sin will not Enter the Presence of God, and only Humans can Sin, furthermore, one would bet, an Angel and a Human have been given different sets of Rules by God.
You say : well we have free will, and some people just like being big meanies! god doesnt want robots he wants us to ummm have blind obedience and faith. Okay so does that mean your going to be robots in heaven? If thats true then why doesnt god just make us robots now and save billions of humans from the infinite torture he created?
The Rules change when we Get to Heaven.
If god designed hell for angels which is still disturbing to me why do humans go there? Its like god made this bear trap, and then he stands their and watches his infant child walk right into it and does nothing. bad analogy lol but you get what I mean I hope.
We are not infants, we are well aware of the evil of our actions, and such we will be accountable for them.
Well apparently sin can still happen in heaven. If you dont have free will in heaven to make mistakes you would be a robot.
Humans will not Sin in Heaven, its very involved to explain.
If jesus died to let every go to heaven, coolness! thanks jesus. but why would god care if you believe it or not?
You mean, why would God care, if we placed any importance on his suffering, his bleeding and having his skin torn and ripped apart as a sacrifice for us, so that we could enter Heaven?
I can only imagine, how hollow that would sound before God almighty himself Yah, you suffered for my sins, so what, why should I have to care about that
I can only imagine how that would sound, come to think of it, I really dont think I could fully grasp how hollow that would sound that moment, I mean sheer audacity of that type of statement, to God himself. Even if he was kind and loving to a fault, that is like beyond anything thing, beyond any insult I could ever imagine.
Religion has nothing to do with morality or ethics. Im a moral atheist. So why would god hold a grudge against me for not believing some story that I have no way of telling wether is true or not?
What do you base your concept of Moral on?
You say your Moral only because you act like I do.
Funny how that works out.
Well yeah it does, so does every other religion prety much. That doesnt make it true. There is also tons of things in the bible that were proven false.
For the life of me, I can not think of them, unless your talking language translations.
Like the smallest of all seeds, deal, given that Orchard seeds have no food product, so they can not be Planted or stored as a seed on their own, as they would starve in moments. So the smallest self sustained seed is still the mustard seed. I guess Jesus did not feel we were ready for that level of botany yet.
I Cannot force myself to believe anything, even if the whole world believed it. If it didnt have enough evidence and logic to back it up I wouldnt believe in my heart even if I pretended I did.
I always chuckle at this stuff. I need Logic, does logic tell you why your parents put up with you? I mean if Logic and reason were the paramount, they would cut you the first moment you became a loss or a problem to them, which would be, what, the first day you rebelled against them. And yet, they put up with you, and love you. And as far as Logic and Reason Go, they really shouldnt. We can safely conclude that Logic has no weight in what we feel, what our emotions trigger, why should faith be any different?
This has always been a humorous out that people toss around, with out ever realizing the absurdness of this idea.
So youre wrong. Disobedience? Ive never been disobedient to god in fact ive never even talked to or seen god. Theirs nothing to be disobedient too.
Cute.
Right now your being disbodeient to dozens of gods for rejecting them, and they have about as much evidence as your god, zilch. So what if you died and got punished for not believing in zeus, xenu etcetra?
Well see, that is funny.
We have evidence of Jesus, and all the other apostles.
And besides, no one other Gods really teach a moral code. As far as lets say Hera goes, I make my sacrifice (What ever it is), to keep her off my back, and maybe make some things happen in my favor, and be done with her, If I wanted morals or ethics, I would go to Plato not Poseidon.
That also Tells me, My God, has the upper hand, My God, is not some sky daddy that I need to make happy like Thor or Odin, My God, has given me the Gift of how to Live a Good life. And my God has told me how the world was Made, Funny, the other Mythologies are not this daring or bold. Either those Gods are scared, or just dont know. Either way, they are worthless.
As far as not believing in Other Gods, well, here is the way I look at it. If I am wrong, so be it. Thats how confidant I am.
If you cant say the same, then your wrong, no matter what you believe.
Alright. This keeps going in a circle. You still seem to think I can force myself to believe something, no one can reread my post. How is some one a immoral or unethical person just because they dont believe that theirs a magic man in the sky, a god?
Immoral? Bah, that is of no issue. Being Hell bound, that might be an issue. Why should God forgive you?
What have you done to Impress God, Creator of all, that he should forgive you, or open the doors to heaven for you?
Thats prety much what you said in your analogy. What you ignored was the fact that the teacher had full control over what the students would do, but she chose not too or intentionaly made them that way, and still punishes them when its her fault. If she wanted her students to be perfect robot slaves she could have made them that way. Instead she made them animals. I have done nothing to deserve infinite punishment and neither has any one else. Only an infinite sin could be punished infinitely.
You realize you just contradicted yourself right? Just want you to realize this.
You say it yourself that its unfair , but the bible says god is perfectly fair , so what your saying contradicts the bible. ps mike a wrote a reply to your post but my internet closed and I dont want to rewrite it again.
God is Just.
What is Fair?
Would fair be Sin will not enter Heaven and then Everyone goes to Hell? Is that fair?
Would fair be, You can sin up this point, but go past it and your bound for Hell
What is your Fair? And better yet, what do you base this Fair on.
Just you? Your idea of Fair?
If God conformed to your ideas, that would make him your creation, bound by your Rules.
Sorry, thats not a God I find even worth entertaining.
How can I believe? is it something I can choose to do or not? Could you force yourself to believe in zeus? Could you choose to believe in zeus even if you find the storys about him unrealistic and untrue?
Can you choose to Hate?
Respect?
Admire?
Disdain?
If you can choose all those things, why not Belief?
Could I believe in another God, I suppose so, but they would have to be just as Impressive as the Christian God is. And, trumping Coming down and Dieing for me is going to be hard.
Even bigger is god, if he is just a powerfull being but not superior moraly and ethicaly then why worship him? I believe that some one who intentionaly puts pain or harm other beings for illogical reasons is not worthy of worship.
So, God should be bound by our ideals of Morals and Ethics, as if God is a Finite Mortal limited being?
Well I hope I have give you some answers to your questions and addressed some concerns of yours.
God Bless
Key
