Ok let's see what 1Cor 15:1-4 says. First Paul says that they received the gospel. They believed the gospel................................(rest of GLJCA post) GLJCA
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I asked:
Mc: Show us
the gospel of the kingdom the Lord Jesus Christ preached, John The Baptist preached, the 12 preached,per the Lord Jesus Christ's orders in MATTHEW CHAPTER 10, prior to the dbr=1 Cor. 15:1-4.
TILT with the above response:
1. the gospel of the kingdom has
no mention of the dbr:
Preaching "the" gospel of the kingdom/Peter(and Judas).... preached "the gospel of the kingdom":
"And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. Now the names of
the twelve apostles are these; The first,
Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, andJudas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give." Matthew 10:1-8
"....And as ye go
, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give." Matthew 10:7,8
"And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and
preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and
healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people." Matthew 4:23
"And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and
preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and
healing every sickness and every disease among the people." Matthew 9:35
"Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
And he sent them
to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.
And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart.
And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.
And they departed, and went through the towns,
preaching the gospel, and healing every where.
Now Herod the tetrarch heard of all that was done by him: and he was perplexed, because that it was said of some, that John was risen from the dead;
And of some, that Elias had appeared; and of others, that one of the old prophets was risen again.
And Herod said, John have I beheaded: but who is this, of whom I hear such things? And he desired to see him.
And the apostles, when they were returned, told him all that they had done. And he took them, and went aside privately into a desert place belonging to the city called Bethsaida.
And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and
spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing.
And when the day began to wear away, then came the twelve, and said unto him, Send the multitude away, that they may go into the towns and country round about, and lodge, and get victuals: for we are here in a desert place.
But he said unto them, Give ye them to eat. And they said, We have no more but five loaves and two fishes; except we should go and buy meat for all this people.
For they were about five thousand men. And he said to his disciples, Make them sit down by fifties in a company.
And they did so, and made them all sit down.
Then he took the five loaves and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed them, and brake, and gave to the disciples to set before the multitude.
And they did eat, and were all filled: and there was taken up of fragments that remained to them twelve baskets.
And it came to pass, as he was alone praying, his disciples were with him: and he asked them, saying, Whom say the people that I am?
They answering said, John the Baptist; but some say, Elias; and others say, that one of the old prophets is risen again.
He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God.
And he straitly charged them, and commanded them to tell no man that thing; Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and
be slain, and be raised the third day. " Luke 9:1-22
So, they are "preaching
the gospel."
Later, they are charged
not to reveal that He is "The Christ of God", and then they are told about the prophecy, the fact, of the impending death, burial, and resurrection, not its meaning, for:
"For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and
they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him." Mark 9:31,32
"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and
put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34
"For
as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9
Peter tries to
prevent the very death that, even according to the "one gospel brainwashees", is part of "the" gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4, i.e., "...Christ died for our sins...", that justifies us today. And none of the 12 even believed in the resurrection, part of "the" gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4, even after its
prohecised ocurrence.
Same "the" gospel? Right. Good one.
According to the scriptures, they were not preaching 1 Cor. 15:1-4 at least prior to the dbr.
Provide scripture, from Mt.-John, prior to the dbr, where the Lord Jesus Christ, the 12, or anybody, preached "I/He is going to
die for your sins....
be buried.....
be raised again for your/our justification....believe on this and you will be saved...." Chapter and verse.
You cannot, and will not. Thus, "the gospel of the kingdom", which the
12 did preach in Mt.-John, at least prior to the dbr, is not equivalent to "the" gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4, since 1 Cor. 15:1-4
was not preached during this same time period, at least prior to the dbr. And thus, your "supporting walls"(premises) of your "argument" crumbles.
And this is, and has been, GLJCA's response:
"...We cannot tell..."(Mt. 21:27, Mark 11:33)
(continued)
2,Notice GLJCA continually quotes passages outside of Mt.-John, prior to the dbr. He cannot
Provide scripture, from Mt.-John, prior to the dbr, where the Lord Jesus Christ, the 12, or anybody, preached "I/He is going to
die for your sins....
be buried.....
be raised again for your/our justification....believe on this and you will be saved...." Chapter and verse.
The one passage he quotes in John says nothing of the dbr-it says believe in Him=that He was the Christ. The 12 had "no clue" of the impending dbr-IT WAS HID FROM THEM. They were not preaching 1 Cor. 15:1-4.
You assume the content of the faith required for justification is the same in all dispensations. And it was not. What was the content of faith required in Mt.-John, at least prior to the dbr?
"Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth
thou art the Son of God." Mt. 14:33
"And Simon Peter answered and said,
Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." Mt. 16:16
(comment: and with the 16:18 "upon this rock" statement by the Lord Jesus Christ, our Saviour was setting the "foundation", i.e., the "rock", upon which the kingdom church, the "little flock" church(Luke 12:32 )would be built upon-their faith would rest upon the foundation that He was "
the Christ, the Son of the living God.")
"And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him,
Thou art the Christ." Mark 8:29
"He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said,
The Christ of God." Luke 9:20
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them
that believe on his name." Jn. 1:12
"Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many
believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did." Jn. 2:23
"He that
believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not
believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." Jn. 3:18
"And said unto the woman, Now
we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know
that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world." Jn 4:42
"And we
believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God." Jn. 6:69
"She saith unto him, Yea, Lord:
I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world." Jn. 11:27
"But these are written, that ye might
believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that
believing ye might have
life through his name." Jn. 20:31
No change in the message in "early" Acts:
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both
Lord and Christ." Acts 2:36
"And his name
through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all." Acts 3:16
"Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that
by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole." Acts 4:10
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is
none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12
"And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to
teach and preach Jesus Christ." Acts 4:42
"And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that
Jesus Christ is the Son of God." Acts 8:37
No change in the message by Paul,
early in his ministry, before he was progressively/gradually(i.e.,
progressive revelation:Acts 9:9,16; 22:10,16,17("trance"); 26:16; 1 Cor. 11:23; 2 Cor. 12:1 ; Gal. 2:2; Eph. 3:3; Col. 1:25; "But now"-Romans 16:26, Eph. 2:13, Col. 1:26 / notice Paul spent 3 years in Arabia per Galatians 1:17,18! 3 years! I find this amazing! Could that be Mt. Sinai? ) given the revelation of the mystery, from the risen, ascended, and glorified Lord Jesus Christ, from heaven(not earth),and the prophetic program was progressively/gradually(but temporarily) set aside:
"And straightway he
preached Christ in the synagogues,
that he is the Son of God." Acts 9:20
"But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving
that this is very Christ." Acts 9:22
Notice the change in Acts 13:
Paul presents the "outline" of 1 Cor. 15:1-4, the only gospel that will save in the current dispensation we are under :
Verse 13:28:"And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he
should be slain." = the
death of the Lord Jesus Christ
Verse 13:29: "And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and
laid him in a sepulchre."=the
burial of the Lord Jesus Christ
Verse 13:30: "But God
raised him from the dead:..." =the
resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ
And notice the gradual change in the message, as Paul boldly states:
"Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses." Acts 13:38,39
No one preached 1 Cor. 15:1-4, at least prior to the dbr, as a basis for justification-
no scripture states this. No one.
In Christ,
John M. Whalen
J
ust where is the Lord Jesus Christ(or anyone) preaching anywhere in Mt.-John::
"I am going to die for your sins....be buried......and be raised again for your justification.....Believe this, and you will be saved."?
He was not, nor as anyone else. The gospel of the kingdom, which John the Baptist, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the 12 all preached, is not "the" gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4.