Ever been a part of a Jewish observance?

[PastorMike]

I'm not suggesting we don't celebrate it! I do celebrate it, and I believe I am just as entitled to celebrate His second coming!

Why don't you go ahead and explain to us all about his second coming so we can join with you in celebrating something that hasn't happened yet and probably will be quite different than any of us imagine...

 

[msbojingles]

you go ahead and practice what you want but in the new covenant it is not scriptural... I really couldn't care less if you want to be unscriptural, that is your prerogative, but if you are going to post unscriptural things on this forum do you think people are not going to call you on it...

New Testament believers are supposed to be in the new testament not going back to the Old... Trying to put new wine into an old wineskin...

well, if you don't care, then why do you continue to post on it??

 

[PastorMike]

well, if you don't care, then why do you continue to post on it??

Why should I not post, if you are going to post something unscriptural and try and influence people why shouldn't I post and tell them just how unscriptural it really is...

 

[msbojingles]

Why should I not post, if you are going to post something unscriptural and try and influence people why shouldn't I post and tell them just how unscriptural it really is...

I have not tried to influence ANYONE, Frank asked an honest question, I gave him an honest answer.

 

[J4Jesus]

It's one thing to study the law and feasts to SEE CHRIST in them, having fulfilled them. By all means do that.
Thats what we are talking about Thats why its interesting. Thats what its all about

But it's another thing to say you want to become Jewish or that Christians should be more Jewish, and to start observing/practising their customs and insisting that other Christians do so too.

We arent saying that It has nothing to do with salvation

I don't see anywhere in this thread where anybody said you HAD to celebrate the feasts. You're reading what is not there. If people wish to celebrate the feasts, that pertain to how they were fulfilled in Yeshua, that is not following the Law. That is totally different.

Amen

I said I am not a Jew but a gentile who has found Christ... he said Christ will not return until all the Christians accept that they are Jews...

You're right, you're not a Jew in the natural. Be we are one spiritually. We have been graphed in.
I dont agree with what he said either.

Rom 11
17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

The down side is that people get tangled up in the law again.

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It is our Jewish roots. its history. If thats true then maybe we better not read Chirstian history or even the old Testament ,there is alot of "law" in it. See what I mean? Just learning about it doesnt get us tangled up in it.

.. you consider yourself Word of Faith?

These were Feasts to point to the Lord the Messiah who was to come. all the Feasst are n The Bible. To be Word Of Faith does not mean we cant be intesrest in what they mean concerning Jesus , the Messiah ,the saviour

 

[msbojingles]

What exactly is unscriptural about it?? Hmmm?? The Israelites were commanded to keep them FOREVER. Or are you making assumptions that I am 100% gentile, no Jewish blood in me?? Hmmm??

 

[PastorMike]

I have not tried to influence ANYONE, Frank asked an honest question, I gave him an honest answer.

Good! and I am giving him an honest answer too, it is not scriptural for us to be observing the Jewish feasts...

 

[PastorMike]

Amen
You're right, you're not a Jew in the natural. Be we are one spiritually. We have been graphed in.
I dont agree with what he said either.

Rom 11
17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.


It is our Jewish roots. its history. If thats true then maybe we better not read Chirstian history or even the old Testament ,there is alot of "law" in it. See what I mean? Just learning about it doesnt get us tangled up in it.



These were Feasts to point to the Lord the Messiah who was to come. all the Feasst are n The Bible. To be Word Of Faith does not mean we cant be intesrest in what they mean concerning Jesus , the Messiah ,the saviour

Let me just say this once... these things were a sign pointing to Jesus, Jesus has come, we don't need to be hanging onto the sign anymore, we have Jesus...

Stop looking at the signs and look to Jesus...

 

[J4Jesus]

The Jewish people who have received Jesus ARE our brothers and sisters. We should love them just as much as the Gentiles who recieved Jesus and treat them just the same as with any nationality or that would be prejudice, We arent to be against Jewish people..

 

[PastorMike]

The Jewish people who have received Jesus ARE our brothers and sisters. We should love them just as much as the Gentiles who recieved Jesus and treat them just the same as with any nationality or that would be prejudice, We arent to be against Jewish people..

Who said anything about being against jewish people, we are talking about observing their feasts, I can go and sit with the junkies without taking drugs, i can fellowship with Jewish believers without going back to the old covenant...

 

[plum]

Can you point out anywhere in the NT where we are instructed to keep the feasts of the OT or where Jesus or the Deciples kept the feasts of the OT after Jesus was reserected? I see no example or instruyction to do so. I do see where we are warned about people who try to draw us back under the law, which OT feasts are tied to.

Hi there!
I hope I am not offending you by posting here. I respect your right to your opinions and I hope you will see the following simply as a look through Scripture. If I offend, please forgive me. that is not my intention.

So, you were wondering where in the NT we even see these festivals after Jesus rose from the dead. Well...

Well in Acts 2 we see the followers of Jesus meeting in the Temple to celebrate the feast of Pentecost (which is the Biblical Holy Day Shavuot as appointed in in Leviticus 23:15-22, Exodus 34:22; Numbers 28:26-31; Deuteronomy 16:9, 10)

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.[/FONT]

So that's the first biblical feast observed after Jesus ascended to Heaven.

Acts 27:9 mentions Yom Kippur/Day of Atonement which is a holy day of fasting (actually, it's the only fast appointed by God and was always observed by faithful Jews)

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]27:9[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Now when much time was spent, and when sailing was now dangerous, because the fast F51 was now already past, Paul admonished them,[/FONT]

That footnote points to this note:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]F51: the fast: the fast was on the tenth day of the seventh month [/FONT]

And this proves that it was Yom Kippur because Adonai told His people:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Le 23:27 - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.[/FONT]

And we see Paul in Acts 18

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]18:21[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]...But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.[/FONT]

There are certain feasts / holy days that require that if you can, you observe in Jerusalem. Those feasts are called the pilgrimage festivals and they are:
Passover
Pentecost
Tabernacles

So Paul was observing one of these festivals.



Hope that helped answer your question!

Be blessed, everyone.

 

[God_Owned]

So we can't celebrate Christmas either? Or the Resurrection??

Is Christmas or Reserection Sunday under the law?

You can celebrate every day, just not by exercising the law of the OT.

Wasn't that simple?

 

[God_Owned]

The phrase, 'can't see the forrest for the trees' just popped into my mind.

WITNESSING is what we are suppose to be doing--and Loving on our brothers and sisters. Do you honestly think that God does not want us to followship with our Jewish brothers and sisters? I can't think of a better opportunity to fellowship--discussing and enacting ceremonies that praise the God we Love.

God doesn't want you execising OT law with them.

You can hang with them 24-7 and eat with them as long as you are not practicing OT law.

So just pop that though back out of your head because it wasn't from God.

 

[God_Owned]

Actually... No he doesn't... he wants us to win them to Christ, not join them in thier dead practices...

Great post Mike!

 

[God_Owned]

You're right, you're not a Jew in the natural. Be we are one spiritually. We have been graphed in.
I dont agree with what he said either.

Rom 11
17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

This does not mean we are to practice the legalistic feasts of the OT. Jesus is the feast!

Communion was for the saved Jew and the Gentile. OT feast are not to be practiced by either.

It is our Jewish roots. its history. If thats true then maybe we better not read Chirstian history or even the old Testament ,there is alot of "law" in it. See what I mean? Just learning about it doesnt get us tangled up in it.

The root of the Word is in me, not the other way around. Before the Jews Jesus was. You are mischaracterising my statment and seem to be determined to put words in my mouth.

I don't care what history you read, but we are not to practice OT law. We are not saved by the law,, but by grace through faith. If you keep the feast, then you are practicing the law. To say it make no real difference is like saying you are cussing just for fun and it doesn't mean anything because I don't really mean it.

You have not answered any of my questions, only off point criticism.

Jesus is the feast.

These were Feasts to point to the Lord the Messiah who was to come. all the Feasst are n The Bible. To be Word Of Faith does not mean we cant be intesrest in what they mean concerning Jesus , the Messiah ,the saviour

I don't care if you're interested or study the feasts, but God doesn't want us to practice them. See what I mean?

 

[PastorMike]

Well in Acts 2 we see the followers of Jesus meeting in the Temple to celebrate the feast of Pentecost (which is the Biblical Holy Day Shavuot as appointed in in Leviticus 23:15-22, Exodus 34:22; Numbers 28:26-31; Deuteronomy 16:9, 10)
So that's the first biblical feast observed after Jesus ascended to Heaven.

Firstly Jesus didn't tell them to observe anything, he told them to wait in the upper room... all of these men and women were Jews and i am sure they were practising what they knew...

Acts 27:9 mentions Yom Kippur/Day of Atonement which is a holy day of fasting (actually, it's the only fast appointed by God and was always observed by faithful Jews)


That footnote points to this note:
And this proves that it was Yom Kippur because Adonai told His people:

The fast mentioned in Acts 27:9 could be referring to anything, it didn't mean they were fasting... Paul was trying to get to Jerusalem for the fast (day of Aonement) this verse said it was past maybe it just means that he was already late...

Maybe they had a forced fast because of the wind and high seas, maybe the rest of the crew were fasting and not Paul... it could mean anything...

And we see Paul in Acts 18

There are certain feasts / holy days that require that if you can, you observe in Jerusalem. Those feasts are called the pilgrimage festivals and they are:
Passover
Pentecost
Tabernacles

So Paul was observing one of these festivals.

Not necessarily it again could mean anything... 1859. eJorth/ heorte, heh-or-tay´; of uncertain affinity; a festival: — feast, holyday.

[/B]Hope that helped answer your question!

Be blessed, everyone.

 

[God_Owned]

Let me just say this once... these things were a sign pointing to Jesus, Jesus has come, we don't need to be hanging onto the sign anymore, we have Jesus...

Stop looking at the signs and look to Jesus...

Good one!

 

[God_Owned]

The Jewish people who have received Jesus ARE our brothers and sisters. We should love them just as much as the Gentiles who recieved Jesus and treat them just the same as with any nationality or that would be prejudice, We arent to be against Jewish people..

They aren't under the law either.

 

[God_Owned]

Who said anything about being against jewish people, we are talking about observing their feasts, I can go and sit with the junkies without taking drugs, i can fellowship with Jewish believers without going back to the old covenant...

Great post Mike.

Jesus is the feast!

 

[God_Owned]

Hi there!
I hope I am not offending you by posting here. I respect your right to your opinions and I hope you will see the following simply as a look through Scripture. If I offend, please forgive me. that is not my intention.

So, you were wondering where in the NT we even see these festivals after Jesus rose from the dead. Well...

Well in Acts 2 we see the followers of Jesus meeting in the Temple to celebrate the feast of Pentecost (which is the Biblical Holy Day Shavuot as appointed in in Leviticus 23:15-22, Exodus 34:22; Numbers 28:26-31; Deuteronomy 16:9, 10)
So that's the first biblical feast observed after Jesus ascended to Heaven.

Acts 27:9 mentions Yom Kippur/Day of Atonement which is a holy day of fasting (actually, it's the only fast appointed by God and was always observed by faithful Jews)


That footnote points to this note:
And this proves that it was Yom Kippur because Adonai told His people:


And we see Paul in Acts 18

There are certain feasts / holy days that require that if you can, you observe in Jerusalem. Those feasts are called the pilgrimage festivals and they are:
Passover
Pentecost
Tabernacles

So Paul was observing one of these festivals.



Hope that helped answer your question!

Be blessed, everyone.

You haven't offended my, neither do you understand what the body and blood of Jesus has done for you. Jesus is the feast! Show me anywhere in the NT where we are instructed to keep OT feasts or where Jesus or any Christian did.