Ever been a part of a Jewish observance?

[FrankFaith]

It's a sad thing when a Christian is more interested in the shadow then in the substance. It's regression.

It's one thing to study the law and feasts to SEE CHRIST in them, having fulfilled them. By all means do that.

But it's another thing to say you want to become Jewish or that Christians should be more Jewish, and to start observing/practising their customs and insisting that other Christians do so too.

I totally agree. It sounds, however, like you're accusing ME of this!

 

[FrankFaith]

Well that all sounns real reigous, but you still avoided giving me a direct answer to my question.

Can you point out anywhere in the NT where we are instructed to keep the feasts of the OT or where Jesus or the Deciples kept the feasts of the OT after Jesus was reserected? I see no example or instruyction to do so. I do see where we are warned about people who try to draw us back under the law, which OT feasts are tied to.

The only two meals I'm interested in is Communion and the Mariage Supper of the Lamb.


It is interestig that Romans 14:17 says, "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost."


I guess you're just going to avail me of you're scriptual insight in order that I might see whyborn-again Christins should keep OT feasts in spite of the fact that Jesus did not so instruct.

You should read this before you instruct Christians to keep the feasts of the Old Testament!


Excerpt from, "Should Christians Celebrate the Jewish Feasts?" Copyright © Tim Warner


"Yes, there is a NEW way to worship God, there is a NEW way for our redemption, and it is NOT according to the covenant made with Israel at Mt. Sinai.

Here is what Jesus said about observance of the Jewish Feasts, and the main object around which the feasts were instituted, the Temple at Jerusalem, and without which there can be no real observance and worship according to the Old Covenant.

• John 4
  5 Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph.
  6 Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour. ...
  19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
  20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
  21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
  22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
  23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
  24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
  (KJV)

NOT IN JERUSALEM??? Yes, that is what Jesus said. And this necessarily means NO JEWISH FEASTS because ALL of the Feasts REQUIRE both a Temple, and the Levitical Priesthood. Jesus has FULFILLED the Law. He has FULFILLED the feasts in His atonement.

But, in order to keep tradition alive, some are insisting that Christians need to continue to observe the feasts. Not according to the Torah mind you, because that is impossible. No, they have man-made substitutes, like eggs instead of Lamb for Passover. Well, that's about as holy as having pizza and coke for the Lord's Supper! Yet, we are told by some in the Jewish Roots movement, that if we do not follow these man made traditions, we are "lawless!" Go figure!


Yes, dear Christian, if you dare to remember the resurrection of our Lord on the actual day of the week He was raised from the dead, you are a pagan, and idolatrous! Not only that, if you do not go to your local Christian Synagogue on the Sabbath to worship, you are "lawless!" Never mind that God NEVER commanded such a thing, but it was invented by the Jews on their own authority during the Babylonian captivity!


However, during the first 40 years of Christianity, the Temple was still standing, and the Levitical Priesthood was still intact. Do we see the churches of the Gentiles being instructed to observe any Jewish Feasts, or even to keep the Sabbath? No! No once. Just the opposite is the case.


See The Seven Feasts of Israel"


This is the link to the entire article:


[URL]http://www.inplainsite.org/html/christians_and_jewish_feasts.html[/URL]

Wow--I've got to tell you that your post is totally off the wall. Where did you ever come up with all of this?! Please re-read the OP and do not misdirect my post any longer.

I've got to say that your post is so well thought out and organized (yet completely not on subject!!) that it appears that you've got a problem with being oppressed. We/re NOT under the law--agreed. This is the WoF forum for crying out loud!! I think you missed the point--I was trying to convey how awesome it would be to experience these ceremonies from our point of view--that Jesus is HERE (AND that we are no longer under the law)! These people have repeated these ceremonies in great detail for thousands of years and we can see that EVERY detail that is expressed during them is blatantly obvious to us that the Messiah IS JESUS!!!--so powerful!!! You have obviously not ever read about one of them in detail and how they play out--I'm not suggesting that they be observed by force under the law!

 

[CrazyforYeshua]

Wow--I've got to tell you that your post is totally off the wall. Where did you ever come up with all of this?! Please re-read the OP and do not misdirect my post any longer.

I've got to say that your post is so well thought out and organized (yet completely not on subject!!) that it appears that you've got a problem with being oppressed. We/re NOT under the law--agreed. This is the WoF forum for crying out loud!! I think you missed the point--I was trying to convey how awesome it would be to experience these ceremonies from our point of view--that Jesus is HERE (AND that we are no longer under the law)! These people have repeated these ceremonies in great detail for thousands of years and we can see that EVERY detail that is expressed during them is blatantly obvious to us that the Messiah IS JESUS!!!--so powerful!!! You have obviously not ever read about one of them in detail and how they play out--I'm not suggesting that they be observed by force under the law!

 

[God_Owned]

I don't see anywhere in this thread where anybody said you HAD to celebrate the feasts. You're reading what is not there. If people wish to celebrate the feasts, that pertain to how they were fulfilled in Yeshua, that is not following the Law. That is totally different.

Please exlain where in the NT is says anything like yo just said and give the scripturally based benefits that you think to derive from doing this.

The down side is that people get tangled up in the law again.

You said I don't understand so explain it to me please.

 

[God_Owned]

I totally agree. It sounds, however, like you're accusing ME of this!

I didn't see an accusation, Maybe it just pricked your heart?

 

[God_Owned]

Wow--I've got to tell you that your post is totally off the wall. Where did you ever come up with all of this?! Please re-read the OP and do not misdirect my post any longer.

I'm not misdirecting anything. You need to go study the book of Galatians.

I've got to say that your post is so well thought out and organized (yet completely not on subject!!) that it appears that you've got a problem with being oppressed.

I don't have any problem with oppression. My post is directly on point.

We/re NOT under the law--agreed. This is the WoF forum for crying out loud!! I think you missed the point--I was trying to convey how awesome it would be to experience these ceremonies from our point of view--that Jesus is HERE (AND that we are no longer under the law)!

Why would it be awsome. I have something bettter now, His name is Jesus.

These people have repeated these ceremonies in great detail for thousands of years and we can see that EVERY detail that is expressed during them is blatantly obvious to us that the Messiah IS JESUS!!!--so powerful!!! You have obviously not ever read about one of them in detail and how they play out--I'm not suggesting that they be observed by force under the law!

I've read them all, but unlike you I just don't reverence feast, I reverence Jesus. Also, I'd appreciate it if you would not be personal with me in the future as you don't know me well enough. Do you consider yourself Word of Faith?

 

[DiscipleWhomJesusLoves]

I totally agree. It sounds, however, like you're accusing ME of this!

No, just speaking in general. There are non-Jewish Christians who have gone Jewish to be more 'Christian'.

 

[FrankFaith]

I've read them all, but unlike you I just don't reverence feast, I reverence Jesus.

This is the whole point you're missing: THE FEAST REVERENCES JESUS.

Please stay with the OP.

 

[God_Owned]

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This is the whole point you're missing: THE FEAST REVERENCES JESUS.

Please stay with the OP.

The whole point you're missing is that this is not the way Jesus wants us to reverence Him. If He did, it would be referenced in the New Testament. Read my well thought out post again. All you doing is encouraging people to operate under the law and to waste their time in vane religiosity. Did you get the point now!

The only eating and drinking that Jesus told Christians to observe is Communion and the only feast we have an invitation to is the Marriage Feast of the Lamb.

Jesus is the feast for Christinas!

I didn't catch it. Did you say that you consider yourself to be Word of Faith.

 

[PastorMike]

The whole point you're missing is that this is not the way Jesus wants us to reverence Him. If He did, it would be referenced in the New Testament. Read my well thought out post again. All you doing is encouraging people to operate under the law and to waste their time in vane religiosity. Did you get the point now!

The only eating and drinking that Jesus told Christians to observe is Communion and the only feast we have an invitation to is the Marriage Feast of the Lamb.

Jesus is the feast for Christinas!

I didn't catch it. Did you say that you consider yourself to be Word of Faith.

I agree bro... No where in the new testament are we encouraged or commanded to keep the feasts... They were for a different people, a different covenant and a different dispensation...

 

[msbojingles]

So we can't celebrate Christmas either? Or the Resurrection??

 

[FrankFaith]

The phrase, 'can't see the forrest for the trees' just popped into my mind.

WITNESSING is what we are suppose to be doing--and Loving on our brothers and sisters. Do you honestly think that God does not want us to followship with our Jewish brothers and sisters? I can't think of a better opportunity to fellowship--discussing and enacting ceremonies that praise the God we Love.

 

[PastorMike]

So we can't celebrate Christmas either?

Christmas is the celebraion of Jesus birth, how can you even suggest that we cannot celebrate Jesus birth, I don't get it...

 

[msbojingles]

Christmas is the celebraion of Jesus birth, how can you even suggest that we cannot celebrate Jesus birth, I don't get it...

So why can't we celebrate his second coming?

 

[PastorMike]

The phrase, 'can't see the forrest for the trees' just popped into my mind.

WITNESSING is what we are suppose to be doing--and Loving on our brothers and sisters. Do you honestly think that God does not want us to followship with our Jewish brothers and sisters? I can't think of a better opportunity to fellowship--discussing and enacting ceremonies that praise the God we Love.

Actually... No he doesn't... he wants us to win them to Christ, not join them in thier dead practices...

 

[msbojingles]

Christmas is the celebraion of Jesus birth, how can you even suggest that we cannot celebrate Jesus birth, I don't get it...

I'm not suggesting we don't celebrate it! I do celebrate it, and I believe I am just as entitled to celebrate His second coming!

 

[PastorMike]

So why can't we celebrate his second coming?

We can... when he comes a second time...

 

[msbojingles]

We can... when he comes a second time...

that's a cop out

If there's one thing I know, it is the Voice of God, and I know what He has led me to do, and I know why, and it's not to observe dead practices, it's for learning, and not you, or anyone else is going to take that away from me.

We are not commanded in the NT ANYWHERE to celebrate Christmas, so that argument of "we're not commanded to" is a bunch of baloney.

You guys have successfuly hyjacked Frank's thread and turned it into something he never wanted it to be. Don't you guys have a thread about whether it's biblical or not somewhere else?? Go argue there

 

[PastorMike]

The phrase, 'can't see the forrest for the trees' just popped into my mind.

Really! the phrase NEW COVENANT and BETTER COVENANT sprang into mine...

 

[PastorMike]

that's a cop out

If there's one thing I know, it is the Voice of God, and I know what He has led me to do, and I know why, and it's not to observe dead practices, it's for learning, and not you, or anyone else is going to take that away from me.

We are not commanded in the NT ANYWHERE to celebrate Christmas, so that argument of "we're not commanded to" is a bunch of baloney.

You guys have successfuly hyjacked Frank's thread and turned it into something he never wanted it to be. Don't you guys have a thread about whether it's biblical or not somewhere else?? Go argue there

you go ahead and practice what you want but in the new covenant it is not scriptural... I really couldn't care less if you want to be unscriptural, that is your prerogative, but if you are going to post unscriptural things on this forum do you think people are not going to call you on it...

New Testament believers are supposed to be in the new testament not going back to the Old... Trying to put new wine into an old wineskin...