* Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. (1 John 2:18)
* Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (1 John 2:22)
* And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (1 John 4:3)
* For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. (2 John 1:7)
From reading the passages, I wonder if the theology of Trinity could be a denial of the humanness of Jesus since it states that Jesus is God, yet in a cunning way. The concept of Trinity is very cleverly wrapped up to present itself as though trying to fulfill all the requirements of the Bible and yet glorify Jesus to be God: denying that Christ came in the flesh, since he was God, for he can not really not be God even while here on Earth. Trinitarianism tries to craft a God that stages himself as human flesh, God and Holy Spirit (all in one, yet separate (whatever is needed for the moment)). The problem is that Jesus’ identity, commands, teachings and even his Gospel are tampered with with the introduction of his so-called former self of being the Almighty God as in Trinitarianism. Also, if Jesus came as the Father then he isn’t human for the Father (God) is spirit and can not die. If Jesus was all powerful while on Earth, then he wasn’t in the flesh. If Jesus was the son of God in the flesh as would be his title “the son of man” then he would be vulnerable and could die, and that his Father helped him as He did the prophets to work miracles and speak His will. Jesus comes as a man (son of man, flesh), yet having a place with God as His son and the Christ. There are mysteries about Biblical phrases that seem to suggest Trinitarianism, but to make Jesus out as God himself causes a problem with the above last two Bible verses: confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, and also, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver
(One appears to be a deceiver to present the case for Trinity, read on)
Can not Jesus be just the son of God, the only begotten, the Messiah, with his Father being with him at all times, except at his death? Then he is human (100%). He loves his Father and not himself. Confusion is cleared up with Jesus being this way. His teachings are clearer. An important thing is realized, Jesus is God’s beloved son as a human being, yet the Messiah, lamb of God to be sacrificed. I can believe in a man who is the son of God, who gave me his Father’s will and asked me to trust him to come to his Father. I believe firmly that Jesus was very human. If you met him, I believe you would know what John was talking about, in his above warnings of the antichrists. The antichrists would not want Jesus being a real independent son like our sons are to us. Antichrists believe that Jesus can not be such a perfect son to his Father that he would be even as perfect as his Dad is and to always be subordinate to Him in deep respect and love, while just a human being. This sounds real and wonderful to me. I believe in Jesus in this way. I believe that his Father is always with him. Was Trinity ever necessary? Couldn’t we just believe in Jesus as a real son of God (his only begotten son, His beloved son)? His teachings and commands would be very plain to understand. His sacrifice would like our sacrificing since he was human (in the flesh). I am very excited about Jesus being the son of God alone without Trinity. Things are very clear and I know his commandments and teachings. This is the son of man (human) and son of God (came to us as human flesh) that I believe in and follow. Who are the antichrists?
Debates that fight back with their Bible verses can circle a very long time, maybe till we really know the answer. I find it very hard to believe in Trinity and then listen to Jesus and try to make much sense in what he told us (his commands and teachings). The founders of Trinity were coercive people that had blood on their hands. This doesn't sound like the description that Christ gave for those of his (you will know them by their love). How can I believe in a wonderful loving Father that only Jesus Christ knows and a loving & sacrificing only begotten son of the Father, Jesus Christ (without Trinity)? This simple way of believing seems to leave mysteries in place, yet safeguards my heart to know Jesus and his commands & teachings without questions or confusions. Coercion can work as long as 2,000 years as it did for the Roman Empire, but Rome was altered by faith in only 327 years (I believe). Coercion isn't a part of the nature of Christ's teachings, yet it has been used to control Christianity for a very long time throughout its history. Even today in China, communists boast of stopping Christianity with their continual beatings, arrests, destruction of churches & homes and killings of Christians, yet they are fast losing as Christianity is rapidly growing. Coercion isn't a part of our faith through Jesus Christ. It is a thorn bush with the wrong fruits on it.
* Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (1 John 2:22)
* And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (1 John 4:3)
* For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. (2 John 1:7)
From reading the passages, I wonder if the theology of Trinity could be a denial of the humanness of Jesus since it states that Jesus is God, yet in a cunning way. The concept of Trinity is very cleverly wrapped up to present itself as though trying to fulfill all the requirements of the Bible and yet glorify Jesus to be God: denying that Christ came in the flesh, since he was God, for he can not really not be God even while here on Earth. Trinitarianism tries to craft a God that stages himself as human flesh, God and Holy Spirit (all in one, yet separate (whatever is needed for the moment)). The problem is that Jesus’ identity, commands, teachings and even his Gospel are tampered with with the introduction of his so-called former self of being the Almighty God as in Trinitarianism. Also, if Jesus came as the Father then he isn’t human for the Father (God) is spirit and can not die. If Jesus was all powerful while on Earth, then he wasn’t in the flesh. If Jesus was the son of God in the flesh as would be his title “the son of man” then he would be vulnerable and could die, and that his Father helped him as He did the prophets to work miracles and speak His will. Jesus comes as a man (son of man, flesh), yet having a place with God as His son and the Christ. There are mysteries about Biblical phrases that seem to suggest Trinitarianism, but to make Jesus out as God himself causes a problem with the above last two Bible verses: confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, and also, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver
(One appears to be a deceiver to present the case for Trinity, read on)
Can not Jesus be just the son of God, the only begotten, the Messiah, with his Father being with him at all times, except at his death? Then he is human (100%). He loves his Father and not himself. Confusion is cleared up with Jesus being this way. His teachings are clearer. An important thing is realized, Jesus is God’s beloved son as a human being, yet the Messiah, lamb of God to be sacrificed. I can believe in a man who is the son of God, who gave me his Father’s will and asked me to trust him to come to his Father. I believe firmly that Jesus was very human. If you met him, I believe you would know what John was talking about, in his above warnings of the antichrists. The antichrists would not want Jesus being a real independent son like our sons are to us. Antichrists believe that Jesus can not be such a perfect son to his Father that he would be even as perfect as his Dad is and to always be subordinate to Him in deep respect and love, while just a human being. This sounds real and wonderful to me. I believe in Jesus in this way. I believe that his Father is always with him. Was Trinity ever necessary? Couldn’t we just believe in Jesus as a real son of God (his only begotten son, His beloved son)? His teachings and commands would be very plain to understand. His sacrifice would like our sacrificing since he was human (in the flesh). I am very excited about Jesus being the son of God alone without Trinity. Things are very clear and I know his commandments and teachings. This is the son of man (human) and son of God (came to us as human flesh) that I believe in and follow. Who are the antichrists?
Debates that fight back with their Bible verses can circle a very long time, maybe till we really know the answer. I find it very hard to believe in Trinity and then listen to Jesus and try to make much sense in what he told us (his commands and teachings). The founders of Trinity were coercive people that had blood on their hands. This doesn't sound like the description that Christ gave for those of his (you will know them by their love). How can I believe in a wonderful loving Father that only Jesus Christ knows and a loving & sacrificing only begotten son of the Father, Jesus Christ (without Trinity)? This simple way of believing seems to leave mysteries in place, yet safeguards my heart to know Jesus and his commands & teachings without questions or confusions. Coercion can work as long as 2,000 years as it did for the Roman Empire, but Rome was altered by faith in only 327 years (I believe). Coercion isn't a part of the nature of Christ's teachings, yet it has been used to control Christianity for a very long time throughout its history. Even today in China, communists boast of stopping Christianity with their continual beatings, arrests, destruction of churches & homes and killings of Christians, yet they are fast losing as Christianity is rapidly growing. Coercion isn't a part of our faith through Jesus Christ. It is a thorn bush with the wrong fruits on it.
