Jesus, I love having this conversation with one brave enough, and studied enough to venture their thoughts on the ICERS concerns. I hope I'm learning something from Your Spirit in all this. Thanks for the honesty that has ventured forward to share their view through Your Spirit in them. I NEED to SEE how I am seen.
So far I've learned that someone takes me as: possibly resentful, burned-out and self-protecting
COOL! Another's perspective. We both know what I am, Lord, so let's see if we can REPRESENT.
I also think I am realizing Your new positioning of me in the Body. HOW could I place a value on that?!?
I hesitate to copy another's words in my own BLOG, so I'll record some of my own. Please continue to bless me and this brave one with growth and understanding, for YOUR glory. Amen
Originally Posted by Shachah 5/20/08 response
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So far I've learned that someone takes me as: possibly resentful, burned-out and self-protecting
COOL! Another's perspective. We both know what I am, Lord, so let's see if we can REPRESENT.
I also think I am realizing Your new positioning of me in the Body. HOW could I place a value on that?!?
I hesitate to copy another's words in my own BLOG, so I'll record some of my own. Please continue to bless me and this brave one with growth and understanding, for YOUR glory. Amen
Originally Posted by Shachah 5/20/08 response
At this point I'd like to say, I'm noting a difference in MY walk that I feel IS Spirit-lead. I spent YEARS catering to the needs of a family, long held by daimonizomai, as you say you are. I married into it. I brought my own specters along as well. I'm no princess, except in Heaven's realm, as are we all King's kids.
In the process, I've seen all manner of healing among the group. All styles of persons are represented and blended. The ICERS are those who resist embrace and interaction in healing's confrontations. They reject, abandon, and isolate, leaving harm in their wake and rifts in otherwise warm, growing people. This is their hope, to tilt the balance and focus toward themselves. To captivate the group with their own pain and manipulations. I was this way, myself, as a child. I know them in their fearful craft. This nature is not only aimed at others, but at the King, Himself. Refusing His Hand, as well. If not changed into other-conciousness, as children, they become SELFISH adults and hone the craft. They are the rebels, frozen in staunch belief that they are victims of misunderstanding. They usually have one or two big-bad-meanies somewhere off in the wings, who they will grill with their tongue. Yet never confronting this vessel of blame, know no end of practicing their lines for all to witness ...except that vessel. They are paralyzed and threatened by the motion of the healed, wanting to arrest it ... or challenging us to dispense it. The Lord gave us example of this in one man in scripture, as I see it. His first question to him was,"DO you wish to get well?"
If you laid by a pool for 30 years and waited, wouldn't you wiggle closer or get positioned so closely that you'd fall in at the appropriate moment and take your chances. Sort of DO IT OR DIE TRYIN'?
See, I'm not meant to minster to the ones who won't take His Hand, anymore. I'm meant to continue on toward the ones He shows me, one by one, that will receive Him. I don't want to be their God, or their usher, forever. I want to smack their Spiritual bottoms and coax them to take His hand and get up.
Others, are gifted to minister to the ones who won't. I used to be. It is not more gifting or less gifting, it is just different gifting.
In the process, I've seen all manner of healing among the group. All styles of persons are represented and blended. The ICERS are those who resist embrace and interaction in healing's confrontations. They reject, abandon, and isolate, leaving harm in their wake and rifts in otherwise warm, growing people. This is their hope, to tilt the balance and focus toward themselves. To captivate the group with their own pain and manipulations. I was this way, myself, as a child. I know them in their fearful craft. This nature is not only aimed at others, but at the King, Himself. Refusing His Hand, as well. If not changed into other-conciousness, as children, they become SELFISH adults and hone the craft. They are the rebels, frozen in staunch belief that they are victims of misunderstanding. They usually have one or two big-bad-meanies somewhere off in the wings, who they will grill with their tongue. Yet never confronting this vessel of blame, know no end of practicing their lines for all to witness ...except that vessel. They are paralyzed and threatened by the motion of the healed, wanting to arrest it ... or challenging us to dispense it. The Lord gave us example of this in one man in scripture, as I see it. His first question to him was,"DO you wish to get well?"
John 5:6-10 (New American Standard Bible)
6When Jesus saw him lying there, and knew that he had already been a long time in that condition, He said to him, "Do you wish to get well?"
7The sick man answered Him, "Sir, I have no man to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up, but while I am coming, another steps down before me."
8Jesus said to him, "Get up, pick up your pallet and walk." 9Immediately the man became well, and picked up his pallet and began to walk. Now it was the Sabbath on that day.
The answer to the ICERS problem is often RIGHT in front of them, yet they will not embrace it. ONLY acceptance that it is theirs to embrace will thaw them. ONLY Jesus within them can bring them out of themselves.6When Jesus saw him lying there, and knew that he had already been a long time in that condition, He said to him, "Do you wish to get well?"
7The sick man answered Him, "Sir, I have no man to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up, but while I am coming, another steps down before me."
8Jesus said to him, "Get up, pick up your pallet and walk." 9Immediately the man became well, and picked up his pallet and began to walk. Now it was the Sabbath on that day.
If you laid by a pool for 30 years and waited, wouldn't you wiggle closer or get positioned so closely that you'd fall in at the appropriate moment and take your chances. Sort of DO IT OR DIE TRYIN'?
See, I'm not meant to minster to the ones who won't take His Hand, anymore. I'm meant to continue on toward the ones He shows me, one by one, that will receive Him. I don't want to be their God, or their usher, forever. I want to smack their Spiritual bottoms and coax them to take His hand and get up.
Others, are gifted to minister to the ones who won't. I used to be. It is not more gifting or less gifting, it is just different gifting.
GAWD!
I love this place, Jesus.
YOU MADE THIS !
I love this place, Jesus.
YOU MADE THIS !
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