I felt it important to include information from Gary Carpenter on this blog. Pretty much all of the finance stuff is from Gary, as is a New Covenant perspective on the tithe.
Here is the link to his "kingdom finance" webpage that has links to titles and mp3s of some wonderful teachings on finance.
His Christian growth series are also excellent. The "Lessons from the Manna" should be required listening for anyone who aspires to move into real abundance (inheritance by grace).
Here is a link to his (mp3) personal testimony.
I'll be adding more stuff from him here and in this section very soon. Have the courage to believe that there is still some good news left for the church in the area of finance.
This is not some "sleight of hand" stuff done by "retranslating" the Word from the Greek into something that moves away from the true gospel. This came about by many hours of praying in the Spirit, which provides revelatory keys to understanding.
Here is something the Lord told Gary that is relevant for us all..
"The first level: I say this plain. I say this straight. I say this with no equivocation: I INTEND FOR ALL OF MY CHILDREN TO WALK IN COMMUNION WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT TO THE POINT THAT THEY OBTAIN INSTANT ANSWERS FROM HIM FOR EVERY SITUATION THEY COME UP AGAINST! That is the first level. When I say "instant answers" I mean "instant answers!" It is not My intention that My children be hindered by being always behind in seeking My mind, the mind of Christ, for the situations they come up against. I intend for their communion with the Holy Spirit to be so constant that He is as one walking alongside them just as Jesus would be in the flesh. In every situation they are to turn to the Holy Spirit and ask questions to which they receive "instant answers."
"My Spirit has access to all of the treasures of wisdom that are in Christ Jesus the Lord. Christ has been made unto you wisdom. He has all wisdom. All wisdom has been imparted unto Him as a treasure for you. The Spirit I have sent to commune with you has "instant access" to all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge of Jesus Christ. I intend for those answers to be available to you "instantly," in every situation. This is level one."
From Gary Carpenter’s “My Testimony”
…I would listen to everything they would teach. How many of you heard about the hundred fold return? How about Luke 6:38? Give and it shall be given unto you. And everything that they said, I would try. I would try and put it into practice. And I’d do it, to be honest with you, I probably overdid it. When they taught the hundred fold return, I thought I found my ticket to God. I went and bought me an accountant’s ledger (now I hate to admit I was this stupid), but I did. I bought me an accountant’s ledger and literally kept track of every dollar we gave x 100 -- God owes me… How of y’all think that worked? That didn’t work worth a dog-gone. That didn’t work at all. So then, they come out with Luke 6:38, and the tithe opens the windows of Heaven, the amount of offering you put through determines the amount of … on and on. You pick your formula. I tried them all. I have been down every rabbit trail there is when it comes to those formulas.
Now here’s the scary part… They’re all in there! I could not figure out why. Now, I come back to the stone. The stone in Mark chapter 4. Here’s the problem, it’s like I would take a “run” at the prosperity message. Know what I mean? Bless God, here we go again. Give and it shall be given unto you, good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, shall men give unto your bosom, hallelujah! A hundred fold return in this lifetime with persecutions, I’ll take the persecutions, just give me the hundred fold, hallelujah….
As soon as I got saved, that old poverty doctrine that was in me, regardless of what I wanted, regardless of what I thought about it in here, what was in my heart in abundance, rose to the surface. And within a year, we went to the nice house, the two Cadillac cars, custom made suits, all of that, to what we affectionately call the “Roach Hotel”…
If you don’t get anything else out of this, get this: “Faith doesn’t work out of the head”.
Faith doesn’t come out of the head. Faith comes out of the heart. And every time I’d try and make another run at the prosperity message, it’s like, “Ok, we’ll start giving, we’ll start believing, we’ll start doing all of this”, but sooner or later those roots of prosperity would hit that ledge of stone. It was like that doctrine that was in me. That poverty doctrine, it was just like Jesus said. It was like rock. No way could the roots of the prosperity penetrate that rock. I didn’t know what to do about it. Well, we never did tap into it for years and years.
“Tell me a little more Jesus”. Now, if you don’t learn anything else today, learn this. I have learned this. There’s no point asking the Lord Jesus about step two, until you take step one. Forget it. It will never happen. He doesn’t operate that way. You take step one, then He’ll give you instructions for step two.
The part that remained was that poverty doctrine, still struggling. So God finally decided to put the axe to that root. He wanted to destroy that stone. He gave me some instructions to destroy it. Now that I had taken step one, I agreed to take step two, and follow His instructions…
How did that happen? How did I go from the guy who was living in the roach hotel, to now God is supplying all of my need. Here’s the last thing. The instruction was this (That stone), He said: “I want you to take these three verses, write them down or get the tape (2 Corinthians 8:9) which is, “For you know the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, that you through His poverty might be rich.” Psalms 34:10 which is: “The young lions do hunger and suffer lack, but those that seek the Lord shall not want any good thing.” (That word ‘want’ is the same word translated ‘lack’… And Phillipians 4:19 “But my God shall supply all of your need according to His riches in glory, by Christ Jesus.” And here was His instructions. He said: “Take those three verses Son, I want you to walk the floor and say those verses out loud with your mouth four hours a day!” Oh, and by the way, don’t diminish your praying in tongues time (which was forty hours a week).
“Is not My Word like as a fire, saith the Lord? And like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?”
Jer 23:29
I started seeing a change in about three weeks from the time I actually started doing that…
Here is the link to his "kingdom finance" webpage that has links to titles and mp3s of some wonderful teachings on finance.
His Christian growth series are also excellent. The "Lessons from the Manna" should be required listening for anyone who aspires to move into real abundance (inheritance by grace).
Here is a link to his (mp3) personal testimony.
I'll be adding more stuff from him here and in this section very soon. Have the courage to believe that there is still some good news left for the church in the area of finance.
This is not some "sleight of hand" stuff done by "retranslating" the Word from the Greek into something that moves away from the true gospel. This came about by many hours of praying in the Spirit, which provides revelatory keys to understanding.
Here is something the Lord told Gary that is relevant for us all..
"The first level: I say this plain. I say this straight. I say this with no equivocation: I INTEND FOR ALL OF MY CHILDREN TO WALK IN COMMUNION WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT TO THE POINT THAT THEY OBTAIN INSTANT ANSWERS FROM HIM FOR EVERY SITUATION THEY COME UP AGAINST! That is the first level. When I say "instant answers" I mean "instant answers!" It is not My intention that My children be hindered by being always behind in seeking My mind, the mind of Christ, for the situations they come up against. I intend for their communion with the Holy Spirit to be so constant that He is as one walking alongside them just as Jesus would be in the flesh. In every situation they are to turn to the Holy Spirit and ask questions to which they receive "instant answers."
"My Spirit has access to all of the treasures of wisdom that are in Christ Jesus the Lord. Christ has been made unto you wisdom. He has all wisdom. All wisdom has been imparted unto Him as a treasure for you. The Spirit I have sent to commune with you has "instant access" to all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge of Jesus Christ. I intend for those answers to be available to you "instantly," in every situation. This is level one."
From Gary Carpenter’s “My Testimony”
…I would listen to everything they would teach. How many of you heard about the hundred fold return? How about Luke 6:38? Give and it shall be given unto you. And everything that they said, I would try. I would try and put it into practice. And I’d do it, to be honest with you, I probably overdid it. When they taught the hundred fold return, I thought I found my ticket to God. I went and bought me an accountant’s ledger (now I hate to admit I was this stupid), but I did. I bought me an accountant’s ledger and literally kept track of every dollar we gave x 100 -- God owes me… How of y’all think that worked? That didn’t work worth a dog-gone. That didn’t work at all. So then, they come out with Luke 6:38, and the tithe opens the windows of Heaven, the amount of offering you put through determines the amount of … on and on. You pick your formula. I tried them all. I have been down every rabbit trail there is when it comes to those formulas.
Now here’s the scary part… They’re all in there! I could not figure out why. Now, I come back to the stone. The stone in Mark chapter 4. Here’s the problem, it’s like I would take a “run” at the prosperity message. Know what I mean? Bless God, here we go again. Give and it shall be given unto you, good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, shall men give unto your bosom, hallelujah! A hundred fold return in this lifetime with persecutions, I’ll take the persecutions, just give me the hundred fold, hallelujah….
As soon as I got saved, that old poverty doctrine that was in me, regardless of what I wanted, regardless of what I thought about it in here, what was in my heart in abundance, rose to the surface. And within a year, we went to the nice house, the two Cadillac cars, custom made suits, all of that, to what we affectionately call the “Roach Hotel”…
If you don’t get anything else out of this, get this: “Faith doesn’t work out of the head”.
Faith doesn’t come out of the head. Faith comes out of the heart. And every time I’d try and make another run at the prosperity message, it’s like, “Ok, we’ll start giving, we’ll start believing, we’ll start doing all of this”, but sooner or later those roots of prosperity would hit that ledge of stone. It was like that doctrine that was in me. That poverty doctrine, it was just like Jesus said. It was like rock. No way could the roots of the prosperity penetrate that rock. I didn’t know what to do about it. Well, we never did tap into it for years and years.
“Tell me a little more Jesus”. Now, if you don’t learn anything else today, learn this. I have learned this. There’s no point asking the Lord Jesus about step two, until you take step one. Forget it. It will never happen. He doesn’t operate that way. You take step one, then He’ll give you instructions for step two.
The part that remained was that poverty doctrine, still struggling. So God finally decided to put the axe to that root. He wanted to destroy that stone. He gave me some instructions to destroy it. Now that I had taken step one, I agreed to take step two, and follow His instructions…
How did that happen? How did I go from the guy who was living in the roach hotel, to now God is supplying all of my need. Here’s the last thing. The instruction was this (That stone), He said: “I want you to take these three verses, write them down or get the tape (2 Corinthians 8:9) which is, “For you know the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, that you through His poverty might be rich.” Psalms 34:10 which is: “The young lions do hunger and suffer lack, but those that seek the Lord shall not want any good thing.” (That word ‘want’ is the same word translated ‘lack’… And Phillipians 4:19 “But my God shall supply all of your need according to His riches in glory, by Christ Jesus.” And here was His instructions. He said: “Take those three verses Son, I want you to walk the floor and say those verses out loud with your mouth four hours a day!” Oh, and by the way, don’t diminish your praying in tongues time (which was forty hours a week).
“Is not My Word like as a fire, saith the Lord? And like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?”
Jer 23:29
I started seeing a change in about three weeks from the time I actually started doing that…
