(Re: What about the plans of the Temple Institute?)
Does the Temple Institute represent the ultra-Orthodox Jews in general, or does it consist only of a small group of Jews (and some Christian supporters) who have some ideas not supported by the ultra-Orthodox Jews in general? If the latter, note that not even the Temple Institute says that it wants to construct a third Jewish temple (as opposed to just a stone altar) anywhere other than on the Temple Mount: "the Temple Institute is not building the Temple offsite"; "the Temple Mount has to be cleared of the Dome of the Rock and the mosques which are presently located upon it before the physical rebuilding of the Holy Temple can begin" (Temple Institute).
Also, instead of a stone altar, could the ultra-Orthodox Jews in general want to build a brass altar like the one which stood in front of the first Jewish temple (2 Chronicles 4:1)?
Also, not even the Temple Institute says that it has any plans to restart the Mosaic animal sacrifices in any other place than on an altar in "its proper place" on the Temple Mount: "We are building a stone altar offsite so that when the opportunity arrives we can move it to its proper location on the Mount. The Divine service, including the offerings can begin before the building of the Temple itself, once the altar is built and standing in its proper place" (Temple Institute). And would this "proper place" for the altar and its offerings be in any other place than right in front of where the first and second Jewish temples stood (and where the Muslim Dome of the Rock now stands)?
Also, even if the Temple Institute wants to someday restart the Mosaic sacrifices on the Temple Mount, even before a third Jewish temple has been built (cf. Ezra 3:6), do the ultra-Orthodox Jews in general agree with this? Also, the Israeli government would never allow the Temple Institute to place a Jewish altar right in front of the Muslim Dome of the Rock, the third-holiest site in Islam, or to perform any Jewish sacrifices there, because the Muslims worldwide would be utterly enraged by this and would take it out on Israel with an all-out jihad. To avoid as much as possible any unnecessary riling up of the Muslims against Israel, its government does not let any Jews (or any other non-Muslims) to even go up and pray on the Temple Mount. The Israeli government has allowed the Muslims to retain a total, monopolistic religious control over all access to and all activities on the Temple Mount, even though Israel has had total military control of the Temple Mount (and all of the rest of the Old City of Jerusalem, eastern Jerusalem, and the West Bank) since 1967.
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(Re: What about the plans of templeforjerusalem.org?)
The Muslims would never allow a Jewish temple to be built on a platform over the Dome of the Rock (they do not even allow Jews to go up on the Temple Mount). And the Orthodox Jews would never allow the Muslim Dome of the Rock to remain intact beneath a Jewish temple. Indeed, they would not allow even a single pebble of the rubble of a destroyed Dome of the Rock, and Al Aqsa Mosque, or any other Muslim structure to remain anywhere on the Temple Mount once the building of the third Jewish temple has begun. For, as another Jewish website says: "the Temple Mount has to be cleared of the Dome of the Rock and the mosques which are presently located upon it before the physical rebuilding of the Holy Temple can begin" (Temple Institute).
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*Revelation 11:2 / *Rev. 11:2 -
Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without [outside] the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
This refers to a literal outer court of a third Jewish temple which will be on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, just as Matthew 24:15 and Daniel 11:31 refer to that temple's holy place (inner sanctum), and just as 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Daniel 11:36 refer to the future Antichrist eventually sitting in that temple (at least one time) and proclaiming himself God.
(See also "the temple in Revelation 11:1-2" under Revelation 11:1 above)
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(Re: Should "leave out" be "cast out", as in something evil?)
Not necessarily, for while the original Greek word (ekballo: G1544) translated as "leave out" in Revelation 11:2 can mean to "cast out" with regard to something evil (Matthew 10:1), it does not have to mean that every time that it is used. For example, the same Greek word is used to refer to the Lord Jesus Christ "sending forth" Christian laborers into His harvest of souls (Matthew 9:38), and is used to refer to a good man out of the good treasure of his heart "bringing forth" good things (Matthew 12:35). In Revelation 11:2 the word is used in the context of the apostle John measuring the future, third Jewish temple in Jerusalem, and means that he was to leave out the outer court from his measurements.
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(Re: Does "court" mean Caiaphas' "palace"?)
See Matthew 26:3 above.
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(Re: Does "the Gentiles" include Christian Gentiles?)
Note that nothing requires that any Biblical-Christian Gentiles, rather than only non-Christian Gentiles (cf. 1 Corinthians 10:32), will ever tread Jerusalem underfoot (Revelation 11:2b), or be preached against by God's future, Two Witnesses (Revelation 11:3-10).
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*Revelation 11:2b / *Rev. 11:2b -
This has never been fulfilled, but will be fulfilled only when the rest of the chapter is fulfilled.
(See Revelation 11:3 below, and Luke 21:24 above)
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*Revelation 11:3-12 / *Rev. 11:3 -
(*2 witnesses)
In the never-fulfilled Revelation 11:3-12, God's Two Witnesses could be literally Moses and Elijah. For the two men seen "standing before the God of the earth" (Revelation 11:4) at the Transfiguration were Moses and Elijah (Matthew 17:3). And in Revelation 11:4 the two "olive trees" refer back to the two men who were already standing by the Lord by the time of the prophet Zechariah (Zechariah 4:11,14), which was subsequent to the times of Moses and Elijah.
Moses and Elijah could come down from heaven in their mortal bodies at the midpoint of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, just as they came down at the Transfiguration (Matthew 17:3). Also, the plagues which God's Two Witnesses will cause (Revelation 11:6,5) will match plagues which Moses and Elijah caused in Old Testament times (James 5:17, Exodus 7:20; 2 Kings 1:10-14).
Elijah never died, but was taken physically into heaven (2 Kings 2:11b). And the archangel Michael retrieved Moses' dead body from Satan (Jude 1:9). Michael could have then taken Moses' recently-dead body into heaven where it could have been resuscitated by God back to mortal life, like how, for example, Lazarus' recently-dead body was resuscitated by God back to mortal life (John 12:1). This would explain how both Moses and Elijah could be alive at the Transfiguration (Matthew 17:3).
God's Two Witnesses will prophesy and bring plagues on the world during the literal 3.5 years (Revelation 11:2b-3,6) of the future Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5,7, Revelation 12:6,14), which will be in the latter half of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. That is why the Antichrist's reign will legally end (Revelation 11:15) right after the Two Witnesses' time on the earth will end (Revelation 11:12-15). The plagues which they will bring (Revelation 11:6) will be part of the Tribulation's second woe/sixth trumpet (Revelation 11:14, Revelation 9:12-13). The Two Witnesses will be taken physically up to heaven before the Tribulation's seventh trumpet sounds (Revelation 11:12,15).
They may not be witnesses in the sense of evangelizing the world (Acts 1:8). For the original Greek word (martus: G3144) translated as "witnesses" (Revelation 11:3) can also refer to those who witness against people, and bring punishment against them (Acts 7:58). The reason that there will be two witnesses (Revelation 11:3) who will bring plagues to torment the unrepentant world (Revelation 11:6,10b) would be because two witnesses are required to bring judgment against people (1 Timothy 5:19). At the same time, the two "witnesses" could be called that because both of them will be martyred (Revelation 11:7-9). For the same original Greek word translated as "witnesses" (Revelation 11:3) can refer to "martyrs" (Revelation 17:6).
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(Re: Would not the apostle John have just told us that God's Two Witnesses were Moses and Elijah, since he would have recognized them from the Transfiguration?)
The apostle John may not have seen the Two Witnesses or the events of Revelation 11:3-12, like he saw Moses and Elijah at the Transfiguration (Matthew 17:1-4). Instead, he could have only heard the prophecy of Revelation 11:3-12 spoken by the angel in Revelation 11:1b-2. Or, John could have been told Revelation 11:3-10, much of which is in the future tense, whereas John could have seen Revelation 11:11-19, much of which is in the past tense. But the faces of the Two Witnesses could have been obscured from him recognizing them, like how, for example, the face of the resurrected Jesus Christ was obscured in Luke 24:16 from some of His disciples recognizing Him.
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(Re: Luke 4:24 says that no prophet is accepted in his own country)
Note that nothing requires that God's future, Two Witnesses/prophets (Revelation 11:3-12) will be accepted by non-Christian Israel during the time of their testimony.
Similarly, no Bible verse refers to the 144,000 as being Jewish evangelists, or to anyone getting converted to Christianity by the 144,000.
(See Revelation 7:4 above, and paragraph 2 of Revelation 12 below)
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(Re: Are there two groups of 144,000, and also two groups of Witnesses: olive trees and candlesticks?)
Note that just as nothing says or requires that there are two groups of 144,000, so God's future, Two Witnesses are not two groups, but rather two individual prophets who will prophesy in sackcloth for 1,260 literal days (Revelation 11:3) before they are martyred and their two dead bodies will lie unburied in a street in Jerusalem for 3.5 literal days (Revelation 11:8-12).
These two prophets being the two "olive trees" and the two "candlesticks" (Revelation 11:4) means that each one of the two prophets is represented by both one olive tree and one candlestick (Zechariah 4:11-14, Matthew 5:15-16, Psalms 52:8).
(See also Revelation 1:12 above)
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*Revelation 11:5 / *Rev. 11:5 -
Here the fire can be literal, miraculous fire from God which will kill people, like the literal, miraculous fire from God in 2 Kings 1:10-14 killed people.
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*Revelation 11:6 / *Rev. 11:6 -
God's future, Two Witnesses will bring plagues from God (Revelation 11:6), but these will not be directed against those in the Church who will still be alive on the earth at that time (e.g. Revelation 12:6).
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*Revelation 11:7 / *Rev. 11:7 -
(The beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit)
This is simply describing who will kill God's future, Two Witnesses. It is not saying that the beast will not ascend until immediately before he kills them. For he will ascend some 3.5 years before he kills them.
(See paragraphs 2-4 of the "Beast" section of Revelation 13:5 below. Also, see paragraph 4 of Revelation 11:3 above)
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*Revelation 11:8b / *Rev. 11:8b -
(Spiritually called Sodom and Egypt)
This refers figuratively to the spiritual state of the non-Christian Jews in Jerusalem, who reject the New Covenant Gospel of Jesus Christ and want to remain in bondage to the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 4:24-26, Galatians 5:1,4), even though God abolished it on Jesus' Cross (Hebrews 7:18-19, Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14).
(See the "Law" section of Ephesians 2:15 above. Also, see the "land" section of Acts 1:6 above)
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(Great city = Babylon?)
See the "great city" section of Revelation chapters 17-18 below.
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*Revelation 11:10 / *Rev. 11:10 -
(Re:*Christmas?)
What is being celebrated in Revelation 11:10 is not Christmas, but only the death of God's future, Two Witnesses. People "shall send gifts one to another; because [Greek: hoti: G3754] these two prophets tormented them", not because it is Christmas.
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*Revelation 11:11-12 / *Rev. 11:11 / *Rev. 11:12 -
The future raising of God's Two Witnesses' physical bodies from the dead (Revelation 11:11) will not occur at the Church's resurrection into physical immortality at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53), but will be like, for example, the past resuscitation of the physical bodies of Lazarus and Tabitha (John 11:43-44, Acts 9:36-40). And the future, physical ascension of the Two Witnesses into heaven (Revelation 11:12) will not occur at the Church's physical rapture at the Second Coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17), but will be like, for example, the past ascension of the physical bodies of Elijah and Enoch into heaven (2 Kings 2:11, Hebrews 11:5).
For God's Two Witnesses' physical resuscitation and ascension will occur at one point during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 as part of the second woe/sixth trumpet (Revelation 11:14, Revelation 9:12-13), before the Tribulation's seventh trumpet sounds (Revelation 11:15). And then out of the seventh trumpet's heavenly-temple opening will come the seven plagues of the seven vials of God's wrath (Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1), the Tribulation's final stage (Revelation 16). But the Church's physical resurrection into immortality and then its being raptured (gathered together to Jesus) will not occur until Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,52-53; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17; 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:30-31), which will not occur until after the Tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6), after the seventh-and-last vial has been completed (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2 to 20:6).
Also, God's future, Two Witnesses, like Elijah and Enoch did (and also like the apostles Paul and John each did, temporarily, at one point during their lifetime: 2 Corinthians 12:2,7, Revelation 4:1-2), will ascend all the way into the third heaven (Revelation 11:12). But the Church will be raptured only as high as the clouds of the sky (the first heaven), to hold a meeting in the air with Jesus Christ at His Second Coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17).
(See "At that meeting" under Matthew 24:31 above. Also, see 2 Corinthians 12:2(space) above)
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*Revelation 11:13-14 / *Rev. 11:13 -
(Re: *Earthquakes)
The future, second woe/sixth trumpet earthquake (Revelation 11:13-14, cf. Revelation 9:12-13) will destroy one-tenth of Jerusalem (Revelation 11:8,13) and will kill 7,000 people (Revelation 11:13), right after God's future, Two Witnesses are physically resuscitated and taken up to heaven (Revelation 11:11-13). There will be a subsequent earthquake after the seventh trumpet sounds (Revelation 11:15,19). And then there will be yet another earthquake after the seventh vial of God's wrath is poured out (Revelation 16:17-20). Between the seventh trumpet and the seventh vial, the first six vials will occur in order (Revelation 16). Before all of these earthquakes, one will occur after the seventh seal is unsealed (Revelation 8:1,5) and before the first trumpet sounds (Revelation 8:7). There will also be another, even-earlier earthquake, after the sixth seal is unsealed (Revelation 6:12).
(See also the "Chronological" section of Revelation chapters 6 to 22 (Overview) above)
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*Revelation 11:15-19 / *Rev. 11:15 -
(Re: Is the Church raptured into heaven at Jesus' coming at the *7th trumpet?)
Are you of the pre-wrath rapture view, instead of the post-tribulation rapture view?
Regarding the seventh trumpet (Revelation 11:15-19), note that it does not refer to any coming of Jesus. Instead, Revelation 11:15 refers to the future point in time (to us) (Revelation 4:1b) when Jesus Christ will take ultimate, legal, physical authority over the earth, away from Satan (cf. Luke 4:5-7) and Satan's fallen angels (Ephesians 6:12), and away from the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") and his ten kings (Revelation 13:4-18, cf. Revelation 12:9; Revelation 17:12-13) right when the seventh trumpet sounds. It will not be until a little later that Jesus will physically return and take de facto, physical control of the earth at His Second Coming and during the subsequent Millennium (Revelation 19:11 to 20:6).
Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming will not occur immediately after the sounding of the future Tribulation's seventh trumpet and the declaration of the legal replacement of the future Antichrist's literal 3.5 year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18, Revelation 12:6,14) with Jesus' reign (Revelation 11:15). For a "time" (Revelation 11:18) can last awhile (cf. Revelation 12:14). It is like if someone said: "It is time to sell this house"; this does not mean that it will get sold immediately. The only part of Revelation 11:18 which will happen immediately after the seventh trumpet sounds is: "thy wrath is come". For the plagues of the vials of God's wrath (Revelation 16), the Tribulation's final stage, will come out of the seventh trumpet's heavenly-temple opening (Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1).
So the seventh trumpet (Revelation 11:15-19), even though it will be the last trumpet to sound during the Tribulation, will not be the resurrection "last trump" of 1 Corinthians 15:52. The latter will not sound until after the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Matthew 24:29-31; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16), which will not occur until Revelation 19, and which is when the Church will be physically resurrected into immortality (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16).
Before Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming, the Tribulation's final, Revelation 16 stage could last for 75 days. For the first vial in Revelation 16 could be poured out immediately after the 1,260 days of the future Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5), which 1,260 days could begin when the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) is set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of a future, third Jewish temple in Jerusalem (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36). And Jesus could return on the 1,335th day after the setting up of the abomination of desolation (Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15). An analogy for the possible, 75-day, vials-delay between Jesus Christ taking legal possession of the earth (Revelation 11:15) and His return to take de facto, physical possession of it (Revelation chapters 19-20), would be someone in New York legally inheriting a house in California, 75 days before he moves there to live in that house.
At Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming, only the Church (of all times) will be physically resurrected and judged (1 Corinthians 15:21-23; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Psalms 50:3-6, cf. Mark 13:27). And then Jesus will marry the obedient part of the Church (Revelation 19:7-8, Matthew 25:1-12). Then Revelation 19:11-21 will occur. So both the resurrection and rewarding of the Church in Revelation 11:18, as well as the destroying of the destroyers of the earth in Revelation 11:18, could occur 75 days after the seventh trumpet's sounding. And because a "time" can last awhile (cf. Revelation 12:14), this would still be well within the "time" referred to in Revelation 11:18.
Everyone not physically resurrected and judged at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming will not be physically resurrected and judged until Revelation 20:11-15, which will not occur until sometime after the returned Jesus and the physically resurrected Church have reigned on the earth for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29), a time period commonly called the Millennium. Both of the resurrections and judgments can still occur within Revelation 11:18's "time", for the original Greek word (kairos: G2540) translated there as "time" can refer to even quite a long period. For example, the same Greek word is used in 2 Corinthians 6:2 to refer to the "time" of people becoming Christians, which has been going on for thousands of years.
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(Re: There is no *8th trumpet)
That's right, insofar as there will only be seven trumpets during the future Tribulation (Revelation 8:1-2) of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. But there will be a subsequent, post-tribulation trumpet (Matthew 24:29-31), which will be, in effect, an eighth trumpet. Also, regarding the seventh trumpet (Revelation 11:15-19), note that it, unlike the eighth trumpet, does not refer to any coming of Jesus Christ.
(See also the section above)
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(He shall reign for ever)
The 1,000 years of Revelation 20:4-6 refer only to the time of Jesus Christ's future, Millennial, physical reign on the present earth, not to the total time of Jesus' future, physical reign, which will subsequently continue on a future, New Earth (Revelation 21:5,2, Revelation 22:1,3), as in a new surface for the earth.
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(Re: What about Jesus fulfilling the *feast of trumpets?)
A New Covenant feast of trumpets could begin at the post-tribulation, Second Coming trumpet (Matthew 24:29-31; 1 Thessalonians 4:16; 1 Corinthians 15:52), which could sound 75 days after the seventh trumpet sounds during the future Tribulation (Revelation 11:15).
(See section 1 of Revelation 11:15 above. Also, see the "feasts" section of 1 Corinthians 15:52 above)
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*Revelation 11:16 / *Rev. 11:16 -
Here the falling of the 24 elders off of their seats to worship God at the time of the seventh trumpet (Revelation 11:15-16) is not the same falling of the 24 elders off of their seats back in Revelation 4:10. For Revelation 4:10 is before any of the seals have been unsealed in Revelation 6, whereas the seven trumpets do not even begin to sound (and sound in their order) until after all seven of the seals have been unsealed (Revelation 8:1-7). The 24 elders fall off of their seats to worship God five separate times in Revelation: in Revelation 4:10, Revelation 5:8, Revelation 5:14, Revelation 11:16, and Revelation 19:4. And who knows how many millions of times they had done so before that, including during past ages?
(See also Revelation 4:4 above)
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Does the Temple Institute represent the ultra-Orthodox Jews in general, or does it consist only of a small group of Jews (and some Christian supporters) who have some ideas not supported by the ultra-Orthodox Jews in general? If the latter, note that not even the Temple Institute says that it wants to construct a third Jewish temple (as opposed to just a stone altar) anywhere other than on the Temple Mount: "the Temple Institute is not building the Temple offsite"; "the Temple Mount has to be cleared of the Dome of the Rock and the mosques which are presently located upon it before the physical rebuilding of the Holy Temple can begin" (Temple Institute).
Also, instead of a stone altar, could the ultra-Orthodox Jews in general want to build a brass altar like the one which stood in front of the first Jewish temple (2 Chronicles 4:1)?
Also, not even the Temple Institute says that it has any plans to restart the Mosaic animal sacrifices in any other place than on an altar in "its proper place" on the Temple Mount: "We are building a stone altar offsite so that when the opportunity arrives we can move it to its proper location on the Mount. The Divine service, including the offerings can begin before the building of the Temple itself, once the altar is built and standing in its proper place" (Temple Institute). And would this "proper place" for the altar and its offerings be in any other place than right in front of where the first and second Jewish temples stood (and where the Muslim Dome of the Rock now stands)?
Also, even if the Temple Institute wants to someday restart the Mosaic sacrifices on the Temple Mount, even before a third Jewish temple has been built (cf. Ezra 3:6), do the ultra-Orthodox Jews in general agree with this? Also, the Israeli government would never allow the Temple Institute to place a Jewish altar right in front of the Muslim Dome of the Rock, the third-holiest site in Islam, or to perform any Jewish sacrifices there, because the Muslims worldwide would be utterly enraged by this and would take it out on Israel with an all-out jihad. To avoid as much as possible any unnecessary riling up of the Muslims against Israel, its government does not let any Jews (or any other non-Muslims) to even go up and pray on the Temple Mount. The Israeli government has allowed the Muslims to retain a total, monopolistic religious control over all access to and all activities on the Temple Mount, even though Israel has had total military control of the Temple Mount (and all of the rest of the Old City of Jerusalem, eastern Jerusalem, and the West Bank) since 1967.
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(Re: What about the plans of templeforjerusalem.org?)
The Muslims would never allow a Jewish temple to be built on a platform over the Dome of the Rock (they do not even allow Jews to go up on the Temple Mount). And the Orthodox Jews would never allow the Muslim Dome of the Rock to remain intact beneath a Jewish temple. Indeed, they would not allow even a single pebble of the rubble of a destroyed Dome of the Rock, and Al Aqsa Mosque, or any other Muslim structure to remain anywhere on the Temple Mount once the building of the third Jewish temple has begun. For, as another Jewish website says: "the Temple Mount has to be cleared of the Dome of the Rock and the mosques which are presently located upon it before the physical rebuilding of the Holy Temple can begin" (Temple Institute).
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Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without [outside] the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
This refers to a literal outer court of a third Jewish temple which will be on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, just as Matthew 24:15 and Daniel 11:31 refer to that temple's holy place (inner sanctum), and just as 2 Thessalonians 2:4 and Daniel 11:36 refer to the future Antichrist eventually sitting in that temple (at least one time) and proclaiming himself God.
(See also "the temple in Revelation 11:1-2" under Revelation 11:1 above)
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(Re: Should "leave out" be "cast out", as in something evil?)
Not necessarily, for while the original Greek word (ekballo: G1544) translated as "leave out" in Revelation 11:2 can mean to "cast out" with regard to something evil (Matthew 10:1), it does not have to mean that every time that it is used. For example, the same Greek word is used to refer to the Lord Jesus Christ "sending forth" Christian laborers into His harvest of souls (Matthew 9:38), and is used to refer to a good man out of the good treasure of his heart "bringing forth" good things (Matthew 12:35). In Revelation 11:2 the word is used in the context of the apostle John measuring the future, third Jewish temple in Jerusalem, and means that he was to leave out the outer court from his measurements.
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(Re: Does "court" mean Caiaphas' "palace"?)
See Matthew 26:3 above.
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(Re: Does "the Gentiles" include Christian Gentiles?)
Note that nothing requires that any Biblical-Christian Gentiles, rather than only non-Christian Gentiles (cf. 1 Corinthians 10:32), will ever tread Jerusalem underfoot (Revelation 11:2b), or be preached against by God's future, Two Witnesses (Revelation 11:3-10).
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*Revelation 11:2b / *Rev. 11:2b -
This has never been fulfilled, but will be fulfilled only when the rest of the chapter is fulfilled.
(See Revelation 11:3 below, and Luke 21:24 above)
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(*2 witnesses)
In the never-fulfilled Revelation 11:3-12, God's Two Witnesses could be literally Moses and Elijah. For the two men seen "standing before the God of the earth" (Revelation 11:4) at the Transfiguration were Moses and Elijah (Matthew 17:3). And in Revelation 11:4 the two "olive trees" refer back to the two men who were already standing by the Lord by the time of the prophet Zechariah (Zechariah 4:11,14), which was subsequent to the times of Moses and Elijah.
Moses and Elijah could come down from heaven in their mortal bodies at the midpoint of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, just as they came down at the Transfiguration (Matthew 17:3). Also, the plagues which God's Two Witnesses will cause (Revelation 11:6,5) will match plagues which Moses and Elijah caused in Old Testament times (James 5:17, Exodus 7:20; 2 Kings 1:10-14).
Elijah never died, but was taken physically into heaven (2 Kings 2:11b). And the archangel Michael retrieved Moses' dead body from Satan (Jude 1:9). Michael could have then taken Moses' recently-dead body into heaven where it could have been resuscitated by God back to mortal life, like how, for example, Lazarus' recently-dead body was resuscitated by God back to mortal life (John 12:1). This would explain how both Moses and Elijah could be alive at the Transfiguration (Matthew 17:3).
God's Two Witnesses will prophesy and bring plagues on the world during the literal 3.5 years (Revelation 11:2b-3,6) of the future Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5,7, Revelation 12:6,14), which will be in the latter half of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. That is why the Antichrist's reign will legally end (Revelation 11:15) right after the Two Witnesses' time on the earth will end (Revelation 11:12-15). The plagues which they will bring (Revelation 11:6) will be part of the Tribulation's second woe/sixth trumpet (Revelation 11:14, Revelation 9:12-13). The Two Witnesses will be taken physically up to heaven before the Tribulation's seventh trumpet sounds (Revelation 11:12,15).
They may not be witnesses in the sense of evangelizing the world (Acts 1:8). For the original Greek word (martus: G3144) translated as "witnesses" (Revelation 11:3) can also refer to those who witness against people, and bring punishment against them (Acts 7:58). The reason that there will be two witnesses (Revelation 11:3) who will bring plagues to torment the unrepentant world (Revelation 11:6,10b) would be because two witnesses are required to bring judgment against people (1 Timothy 5:19). At the same time, the two "witnesses" could be called that because both of them will be martyred (Revelation 11:7-9). For the same original Greek word translated as "witnesses" (Revelation 11:3) can refer to "martyrs" (Revelation 17:6).
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(Re: Would not the apostle John have just told us that God's Two Witnesses were Moses and Elijah, since he would have recognized them from the Transfiguration?)
The apostle John may not have seen the Two Witnesses or the events of Revelation 11:3-12, like he saw Moses and Elijah at the Transfiguration (Matthew 17:1-4). Instead, he could have only heard the prophecy of Revelation 11:3-12 spoken by the angel in Revelation 11:1b-2. Or, John could have been told Revelation 11:3-10, much of which is in the future tense, whereas John could have seen Revelation 11:11-19, much of which is in the past tense. But the faces of the Two Witnesses could have been obscured from him recognizing them, like how, for example, the face of the resurrected Jesus Christ was obscured in Luke 24:16 from some of His disciples recognizing Him.
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(Re: Luke 4:24 says that no prophet is accepted in his own country)
Note that nothing requires that God's future, Two Witnesses/prophets (Revelation 11:3-12) will be accepted by non-Christian Israel during the time of their testimony.
Similarly, no Bible verse refers to the 144,000 as being Jewish evangelists, or to anyone getting converted to Christianity by the 144,000.
(See Revelation 7:4 above, and paragraph 2 of Revelation 12 below)
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*Revelation 11:4 / *Rev. 11:4 -
(Re: Are there two groups of 144,000, and also two groups of Witnesses: olive trees and candlesticks?)
Note that just as nothing says or requires that there are two groups of 144,000, so God's future, Two Witnesses are not two groups, but rather two individual prophets who will prophesy in sackcloth for 1,260 literal days (Revelation 11:3) before they are martyred and their two dead bodies will lie unburied in a street in Jerusalem for 3.5 literal days (Revelation 11:8-12).
These two prophets being the two "olive trees" and the two "candlesticks" (Revelation 11:4) means that each one of the two prophets is represented by both one olive tree and one candlestick (Zechariah 4:11-14, Matthew 5:15-16, Psalms 52:8).
(See also Revelation 1:12 above)
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*Revelation 11:5 / *Rev. 11:5 -
Here the fire can be literal, miraculous fire from God which will kill people, like the literal, miraculous fire from God in 2 Kings 1:10-14 killed people.
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*Revelation 11:6 / *Rev. 11:6 -
God's future, Two Witnesses will bring plagues from God (Revelation 11:6), but these will not be directed against those in the Church who will still be alive on the earth at that time (e.g. Revelation 12:6).
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*Revelation 11:7 / *Rev. 11:7 -
(The beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit)
This is simply describing who will kill God's future, Two Witnesses. It is not saying that the beast will not ascend until immediately before he kills them. For he will ascend some 3.5 years before he kills them.
(See paragraphs 2-4 of the "Beast" section of Revelation 13:5 below. Also, see paragraph 4 of Revelation 11:3 above)
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*Revelation 11:8b / *Rev. 11:8b -
(Spiritually called Sodom and Egypt)
This refers figuratively to the spiritual state of the non-Christian Jews in Jerusalem, who reject the New Covenant Gospel of Jesus Christ and want to remain in bondage to the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 4:24-26, Galatians 5:1,4), even though God abolished it on Jesus' Cross (Hebrews 7:18-19, Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14).
(See the "Law" section of Ephesians 2:15 above. Also, see the "land" section of Acts 1:6 above)
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(Great city = Babylon?)
See the "great city" section of Revelation chapters 17-18 below.
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(Re:*Christmas?)
What is being celebrated in Revelation 11:10 is not Christmas, but only the death of God's future, Two Witnesses. People "shall send gifts one to another; because [Greek: hoti: G3754] these two prophets tormented them", not because it is Christmas.
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*Revelation 11:11-12 / *Rev. 11:11 / *Rev. 11:12 -
The future raising of God's Two Witnesses' physical bodies from the dead (Revelation 11:11) will not occur at the Church's resurrection into physical immortality at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53), but will be like, for example, the past resuscitation of the physical bodies of Lazarus and Tabitha (John 11:43-44, Acts 9:36-40). And the future, physical ascension of the Two Witnesses into heaven (Revelation 11:12) will not occur at the Church's physical rapture at the Second Coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17), but will be like, for example, the past ascension of the physical bodies of Elijah and Enoch into heaven (2 Kings 2:11, Hebrews 11:5).
For God's Two Witnesses' physical resuscitation and ascension will occur at one point during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 as part of the second woe/sixth trumpet (Revelation 11:14, Revelation 9:12-13), before the Tribulation's seventh trumpet sounds (Revelation 11:15). And then out of the seventh trumpet's heavenly-temple opening will come the seven plagues of the seven vials of God's wrath (Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1), the Tribulation's final stage (Revelation 16). But the Church's physical resurrection into immortality and then its being raptured (gathered together to Jesus) will not occur until Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,52-53; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17; 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:30-31), which will not occur until after the Tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6), after the seventh-and-last vial has been completed (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2 to 20:6).
Also, God's future, Two Witnesses, like Elijah and Enoch did (and also like the apostles Paul and John each did, temporarily, at one point during their lifetime: 2 Corinthians 12:2,7, Revelation 4:1-2), will ascend all the way into the third heaven (Revelation 11:12). But the Church will be raptured only as high as the clouds of the sky (the first heaven), to hold a meeting in the air with Jesus Christ at His Second Coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17).
(See "At that meeting" under Matthew 24:31 above. Also, see 2 Corinthians 12:2(space) above)
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(Re: *Earthquakes)
The future, second woe/sixth trumpet earthquake (Revelation 11:13-14, cf. Revelation 9:12-13) will destroy one-tenth of Jerusalem (Revelation 11:8,13) and will kill 7,000 people (Revelation 11:13), right after God's future, Two Witnesses are physically resuscitated and taken up to heaven (Revelation 11:11-13). There will be a subsequent earthquake after the seventh trumpet sounds (Revelation 11:15,19). And then there will be yet another earthquake after the seventh vial of God's wrath is poured out (Revelation 16:17-20). Between the seventh trumpet and the seventh vial, the first six vials will occur in order (Revelation 16). Before all of these earthquakes, one will occur after the seventh seal is unsealed (Revelation 8:1,5) and before the first trumpet sounds (Revelation 8:7). There will also be another, even-earlier earthquake, after the sixth seal is unsealed (Revelation 6:12).
(See also the "Chronological" section of Revelation chapters 6 to 22 (Overview) above)
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*Revelation 11:15-19 / *Rev. 11:15 -
(Re: Is the Church raptured into heaven at Jesus' coming at the *7th trumpet?)
Are you of the pre-wrath rapture view, instead of the post-tribulation rapture view?
Regarding the seventh trumpet (Revelation 11:15-19), note that it does not refer to any coming of Jesus. Instead, Revelation 11:15 refers to the future point in time (to us) (Revelation 4:1b) when Jesus Christ will take ultimate, legal, physical authority over the earth, away from Satan (cf. Luke 4:5-7) and Satan's fallen angels (Ephesians 6:12), and away from the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") and his ten kings (Revelation 13:4-18, cf. Revelation 12:9; Revelation 17:12-13) right when the seventh trumpet sounds. It will not be until a little later that Jesus will physically return and take de facto, physical control of the earth at His Second Coming and during the subsequent Millennium (Revelation 19:11 to 20:6).
Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming will not occur immediately after the sounding of the future Tribulation's seventh trumpet and the declaration of the legal replacement of the future Antichrist's literal 3.5 year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18, Revelation 12:6,14) with Jesus' reign (Revelation 11:15). For a "time" (Revelation 11:18) can last awhile (cf. Revelation 12:14). It is like if someone said: "It is time to sell this house"; this does not mean that it will get sold immediately. The only part of Revelation 11:18 which will happen immediately after the seventh trumpet sounds is: "thy wrath is come". For the plagues of the vials of God's wrath (Revelation 16), the Tribulation's final stage, will come out of the seventh trumpet's heavenly-temple opening (Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1).
So the seventh trumpet (Revelation 11:15-19), even though it will be the last trumpet to sound during the Tribulation, will not be the resurrection "last trump" of 1 Corinthians 15:52. The latter will not sound until after the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Matthew 24:29-31; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16), which will not occur until Revelation 19, and which is when the Church will be physically resurrected into immortality (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16).
Before Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming, the Tribulation's final, Revelation 16 stage could last for 75 days. For the first vial in Revelation 16 could be poured out immediately after the 1,260 days of the future Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5), which 1,260 days could begin when the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) is set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of a future, third Jewish temple in Jerusalem (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36). And Jesus could return on the 1,335th day after the setting up of the abomination of desolation (Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15). An analogy for the possible, 75-day, vials-delay between Jesus Christ taking legal possession of the earth (Revelation 11:15) and His return to take de facto, physical possession of it (Revelation chapters 19-20), would be someone in New York legally inheriting a house in California, 75 days before he moves there to live in that house.
At Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming, only the Church (of all times) will be physically resurrected and judged (1 Corinthians 15:21-23; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Psalms 50:3-6, cf. Mark 13:27). And then Jesus will marry the obedient part of the Church (Revelation 19:7-8, Matthew 25:1-12). Then Revelation 19:11-21 will occur. So both the resurrection and rewarding of the Church in Revelation 11:18, as well as the destroying of the destroyers of the earth in Revelation 11:18, could occur 75 days after the seventh trumpet's sounding. And because a "time" can last awhile (cf. Revelation 12:14), this would still be well within the "time" referred to in Revelation 11:18.
Everyone not physically resurrected and judged at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming will not be physically resurrected and judged until Revelation 20:11-15, which will not occur until sometime after the returned Jesus and the physically resurrected Church have reigned on the earth for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29), a time period commonly called the Millennium. Both of the resurrections and judgments can still occur within Revelation 11:18's "time", for the original Greek word (kairos: G2540) translated there as "time" can refer to even quite a long period. For example, the same Greek word is used in 2 Corinthians 6:2 to refer to the "time" of people becoming Christians, which has been going on for thousands of years.
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(Re: There is no *8th trumpet)
That's right, insofar as there will only be seven trumpets during the future Tribulation (Revelation 8:1-2) of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. But there will be a subsequent, post-tribulation trumpet (Matthew 24:29-31), which will be, in effect, an eighth trumpet. Also, regarding the seventh trumpet (Revelation 11:15-19), note that it, unlike the eighth trumpet, does not refer to any coming of Jesus Christ.
(See also the section above)
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(He shall reign for ever)
The 1,000 years of Revelation 20:4-6 refer only to the time of Jesus Christ's future, Millennial, physical reign on the present earth, not to the total time of Jesus' future, physical reign, which will subsequently continue on a future, New Earth (Revelation 21:5,2, Revelation 22:1,3), as in a new surface for the earth.
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(Re: What about Jesus fulfilling the *feast of trumpets?)
A New Covenant feast of trumpets could begin at the post-tribulation, Second Coming trumpet (Matthew 24:29-31; 1 Thessalonians 4:16; 1 Corinthians 15:52), which could sound 75 days after the seventh trumpet sounds during the future Tribulation (Revelation 11:15).
(See section 1 of Revelation 11:15 above. Also, see the "feasts" section of 1 Corinthians 15:52 above)
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*Revelation 11:16 / *Rev. 11:16 -
Here the falling of the 24 elders off of their seats to worship God at the time of the seventh trumpet (Revelation 11:15-16) is not the same falling of the 24 elders off of their seats back in Revelation 4:10. For Revelation 4:10 is before any of the seals have been unsealed in Revelation 6, whereas the seven trumpets do not even begin to sound (and sound in their order) until after all seven of the seals have been unsealed (Revelation 8:1-7). The 24 elders fall off of their seats to worship God five separate times in Revelation: in Revelation 4:10, Revelation 5:8, Revelation 5:14, Revelation 11:16, and Revelation 19:4. And who knows how many millions of times they had done so before that, including during past ages?
(See also Revelation 4:4 above)
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