With What Body

[ViaCrucis]

Christ was resurrected at His death,what makes you think we wait?

Christ did not rise at His death, He was dead, and it was on the third day that He rose from the grave.

Do you really not know the Gospel story?

"He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, buried, and dead;
He descended into the dead;
On the third day He rose from the dead;
He ascended into heaven, where He sits at the right hand of the Father Almighty;
From which He shall come again to judge the living and the dead"

-CryptoLutheran

 

[n2thelight]

Christ did not rise at His death, He was dead, and it was on the third day that He rose from the grave.

Do you really not know the Gospel story?

"He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, buried, and dead;
He descended into the dead;
On the third day He rose from the dead;
He ascended into heaven, where He sits at the right hand of the Father Almighty;
From which He shall come again to judge the living and the dead"

-CryptoLutheran

No it very well thank you,so do tell,where was He during them 3 days ?Heck you even got it quoted,but let me help you out some more......

I Peter 3:18 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the Just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:"

I Peter 3:19 "By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison,"

Jesus Christ's flesh body was dead, whereas His spiritual body was quickened or made alive by His Spirit. Jesus was spiritually alive when He descended into the prison to preach to those lost souls.

These spirits that Christ preached to in prison, where the spirits of the saints that died prior to His death on the cross.

 

[Bible2]

Old Timer said in post 96:

That's a Christian's hope.. that the Lord shall bring with Him those who are asleep in Christ.. when He comes..

And of course we know that the dead in Christ shall rise first, and then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them, to meet the Lord in the air..

Amen.

1 Thessalonians 3:13 and 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 mean at Jesus' 2nd coming the souls of all obedient dead believers of all times will be brought down from the 3rd heaven with Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:14-15) and their souls will descend to the earth and their bodies will resurrect/rise from their graves (1 Thessalonians 4:16). Then they and all believers who will survive the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 on the earth (those who will still be "alive and remain") will be raptured up high into the air above the places all around the globe where they will be (1 Thessalonians 4:17a), and then they will be gathered together from the sky (the first heaven) all around the globe (Matthew 24:31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1) to the one place in the sky where the returned Jesus will be (1 Thessalonians 4:17b), which will be right above Jerusalem before he sets his feet on the Mount of Olives (Zechariah 14:4-5, Acts 1:11-12).

It's because of this 2nd-coming rapture into the sky and then the gathering to where in the sky Jesus will be (and then the marriage of the obedient part of the church there to Jesus: Revelation 19:7-8, Matthew 25:1-12) that the obedient part of the church will already be with Jesus when he subsequently descends from the sky (the first heaven) to the earth (Revelation 19:14, Revelation 17:14, Zechariah 14:5c,4).

Old Timer said in post 96:

Once again..

When He comes..

That's right.

And the "caught up" in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 will include "we which are alive and remain" as well as "them", meaning as well as all the dead in the church, who will all be bodily resurrected at the same time, at Jesus' never-fulfilled 2nd coming (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6), at the single moment the last trumpet will sound (1 Corinthians 15:52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16, Matthew 24:31), which won't be until immediately after the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

Old Timer said in post 96:

That is exactly what the Apostle Paul says.. Christ, the firstfruits, then those who are Christ's at His coming.

Yes.

1 Corinthians 15:20-23,52-54 means Jesus was the first person to be bodily resurrected into immortality (Colossians 1:18), and that no one else will be bodily resurrected into immortality until his 2nd coming.

The 3 stages of a harvest are firstfruits, main harvest, and gleaning, which can typify 3 bodily resurrections: 1. the past, firstfruits bodily resurrection of Jesus only (1 Corinthians 15:20,23); 2. the future bodily resurrection of the entire church at his 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 15:23,52; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6), which will occur immediately after the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 and right before the millennium (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6); and then 3. the bodily resurrection at the great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15), which will occur sometime after the millennium and the subsequent Gog/Magog rebellion (Revelation 20:7-15, Ezekiel chapters 38-39).

Old Timer said in post 96:

I hope that anyone can see the serious error in saying that the resurrection is past..

There is no hope in that.. for hope that is realized is not hope..

Indeed.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-8 is most often referred to in order to refute the mistaken idea of an imminent pre-tribulation coming of Jesus and rapture (gathering together) of the church, which won't happen until immediately after the future tribulation (Matthew 24:29-21). But the apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8 wasn't so much countering pre-tribulation rapturism as he was countering full preterism. Full preterism mistakenly says the day of the Lord/Christ is already at hand (2 Thessalonians 2:2) in the sense of already present, that the 2nd coming and rapture have already occurred (2 Thessalonians 2:1-2), that the resurrection of the church is already a present reality (2 Timothy 2:18). Paul was careful to counter full preterism, for it can trouble (2 Thessalonians 2:2) and even overthrow the faith of some believers (2 Timothy 2:18). It can cause them to lose the blessed hope (Titus 2:13) of obtaining eternal life (Titus 1:2, Titus 3:7) in an immortal physical resurrection body (Romans 8:23-25, Philippians 3:21, Luke 24:39) at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

 

[ViaCrucis]

No it very well thank you,so do tell,where was He during them 3 days ?Heck you even got it quoted,but let me help you out some more......

I Peter 3:18 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the Just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:"

I Peter 3:19 "By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison,"

Jesus Christ's flesh body was dead, whereas His spiritual body was quickened or made alive by His Spirit. Jesus was spiritually alive when He descended into the prison to preach to those lost souls.

These spirits that Christ preached to in prison, where the spirits of the saints that died prior to His death on the cross.

No where does Scripture say Christ's "spiritual body was quickened" in describing some ethereal spirit "body" that He had between Good Friday and Easter morning. That is entirely fiction.

Yes, the Lord descended to She'ol, as the Creed mentions when it says He descended into the dead, (Latin inferos, the lower regions) and where St. Peter says He preached to the spirits in prison.

It does not say that He had some sort of "spirit body" at this time.

Christ died, and He descended into the dead, the place of the dead, She'ol. But on Easter morning He rose from the dead, bodily.

And likewise at His coming on the last day we too shall rise, bodily. This is the hope we have in Him, that death is not final, but has been defeated in Him, in His own body, and thus we live in His victory now by faith; but then at the consummation of history face to face, we too being raised even as He was raised.

But it seems to me that you are willing to completely throw away His resurrection in order to justify your personal heresy.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[n2thelight]

Yes, the Lord descended to She'ol, as the Creed mentions when it says He descended into the dead, (Latin inferos, the lower regions) and where St. Peter says He preached to the spirits in prison.

It does not say that He had some sort of "spirit body" at this time.

Soooooo,He preached to them,how?

 

[n2thelight]

And likewise at His coming on the last day we too shall rise, bodily. This is the hope we have in Him, that death is not final, but has been defeated in Him, in His own body, and thus we live in His victory now by faith; but then at the consummation of history face to face, we too being raised even as He was raised.

But it seems to me that you are willing to completely throw away His resurrection in order to justify your personal heresy.

-CryptoLutheran

Nowhere in any of my post did I EVER say that Christ did not rise,so let's get that straight first.....

My point has and still is the fact that we rise at death,just like He did,period!!!!!!

This dirt that we have now will always be dirt,that's where it came from,and there it shall stay....It will not rise!!!!!!!

 

[ViaCrucis]

Soooooo,He preached to them,how?

Scripture doesn't tell us, so we don't speculate.

Nowhere in any of my post did I EVER say that Christ did not rise,so let's get that straight first.....

My point has and still is the fact that we rise at death,just like He did,period!!!!!!

This dirt that we have now will always be dirt,that's where it came from,and there it shall stay....It will not rise!!!!!!!

But you're wrong, Christ didn't "rise" at His death, He rose at His resurrection.

Resurrection is a physical, material thing. It happened to Jesus and it will happen to us.

You seem to want to conflate some sort of spiritual escape from the body as "resurrection". That is rank heresy of the first order. And in so doing you are denying the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

You don't have Jesus rising from the dead, you have Jesus becoming a ghost. That isn't what Scripture says, at all.

Your affirmative proposition is demonstrably false; and you have yet offer any real statement over the biblical acclamation, that Jesus' tomb was empty on the third day. Jesus stopped being dead.

If you would like to actually offer an affirmative on the empty tomb of Jesus, that Jesus bodily rose from the dead on the third day--as the Scriptures emphatically say, as the Creed teaches, and as the Christian Church has always believed, then you can at least have that. But instead you ramble on about "rising at death" thus equating resurrection with some sort of non-material, with some sort of "spirit body". But that isn't what the Scriptures say, they don't even come close to saying this. Instead they say that Jesus Christ, God-and-Man, died, was buried, and that on the third day He rose from the dead, bodily, solid, with flesh and bones; and with this same body He ascended into heaven, and is now seated at the right hand of the Father--and in like manner He shall return at the end of all things, to judge the living and the dead.

Anything else is rank heresy and anathema.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[n2thelight]

Scripture doesn't tell us, so we don't speculate.



But you're wrong, Christ didn't "rise" at His death, He rose at His resurrection.

Resurrection is a physical, material thing. It happened to Jesus and it will happen to us.

You seem to want to conflate some sort of spiritual escape from the body as "resurrection". That is rank heresy of the first order. And in so doing you are denying the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

You don't have Jesus rising from the dead, you have Jesus becoming a ghost. That isn't what Scripture says, at all.

Your affirmative proposition is demonstrably false; and you have yet offer any real statement over the biblical acclamation, that Jesus' tomb was empty on the third day. Jesus stopped being dead.

If you would like to actually offer an affirmative on the empty tomb of Jesus, that Jesus bodily rose from the dead on the third day--as the Scriptures emphatically say, as the Creed teaches, and as the Christian Church has always believed, then you can at least have that. But instead you ramble on about "rising at death" thus equating resurrection with some sort of non-material, with some sort of "spirit body". But that isn't what the Scriptures say, they don't even come close to saying this. Instead they say that Jesus Christ, God-and-Man, died, was buried, and that on the third day He rose from the dead, bodily, solid, with flesh and bones; and with this same body He ascended into heaven, and is now seated at the right hand of the Father--and in like manner He shall return at the end of all things, to judge the living and the dead.

Anything else is rank heresy and anathema.

-CryptoLutheran

So you believe Christ was soul sleep for three days,would this be correct?

 

[ebedmelech]

N2thelight, I really encourage you to carefully read 1 Corinthians 15 very carefully. I think it answers all your questions.

 

[n2thelight]

Best that Ive found to explain how I feel

We Rise Soon after Death

Jesus tells of a poor man Lazarus and his rich neighbor who both died. The rich man ended up in hell, while Lazarus went up to heaven. (Luke 16: 22-24) Both of them came into the next life immediately after death. There was no hint here of a long wait to come back into their bodies, for the rich man's brothers were still alive on earth.

When Jesus was on the cross He promised one of the thieves, "Todayyou will be with Me in paradise" (Luke 23:43). Jesus did not say, "Just wait twenty centuries or more, and I will fix up your body again."

Since we rise immediately after death, people who have died are in the spiritual world, and they can be seen by those whose spiritual sight is open. For example, when Peter, James and John had their eyes opened to see Jesus in His glory, they also saw Moses and Elijah, who were clearly not in their graves. When Saul went to the witch of En Dor, he spoke with the spirit of Samuel who appeared as an old man (1 Samuel 28: 3-19), and Lazarus found himself in the bosom of Abraham in heaven (Luke 16:22-24). In fact, when Jesus said to the Sadducees that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the God of the living, not the dead, the clear implication is that Abramam, Isaac and Jacob had already risen from death into life (Matthew 22:31-32; Mark 12:26-27; Luke 20:37-38). He is "the God of the Living," not "the God of the dead who will centuries later come back to life."

Angels have sometimes appeared to people whose eyes were opened to see them. Very often, the Bible says that these angels are people. For example, we read that three men appeared to Abraham (Genesis 18: 2), and that when Jacob wrestled with an angel he wrestled with a man (Genesis 32: 24). Likewise, the angels were people who appeared to Joshua (Joshua 5: 13-14), Manoah and his wife (Judges 13: 6-11), Ezekiel (Ezekiel 9: 2-3,11; 10: 2-3,6), Daniel (Daniel 9: 21; 10: 5; 12: 6-7), Zechariah (Zechariah 1:8,11), and the women at the sepulcher (Mark 16: 5; Luke 24: 4). The Bible says these angels were people, and clearly none of them were still in the grave.

There Is a Spiritual Body

The Bible teaches that we rise with a different body than the one that is placed in the grave. "There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body" (1 Corinthians 15: 44). The natural body is what is "sown" in the grave, and the spiritual body is what is raised up (1 Corinthians 15: 37, 42-44). People on earth have an earthly body, while people in heaven have a spiritual, heavenly body (1 Corinthians 15: 46-49). The fact that people in the spiritual world have a spiritual body is evident from the appearance of angels mentioned above. For example, Saul recognized Samuel after his death because he had a body similar to the body he had on earth. Clearly it was Samuel's spiritual body, since his physical body was still in grave, and it was his spirit (1 Samuel 28:13) that had risen and was conversing with Saul.

The fact that there is a spiritual body is also clear from the story of Lazarus and the rich man. After death Lazarus was in the bosom of Abraham; the rich man lifted his eyes, and asked that Lazarus might dip his finger in water to cool his tongue (Luke 16: 22-24).
The body we have in the spiritual world is not the body that we put into the grave. The Bible says that our physical body is corruptible and mortal, which means that it does not last, but rots and dies. "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither does corruption inherit incorruption" (1 Corinthians 15: 50).

"We brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out" (1 Timothy 6:7). When we go to our eternal home "then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it" (Ecclesiastes 12:5, 7; compare Genesis 3:19). So our earthly body cannot go to heaven, but when we put off our physical body, our corruptible and mortal life is changed into an incorruptible and immortal life (1 Corinthians 15: 53-54). Evidently when Paul said this, some people were wondering if everyone would sleep a long time in the grave before the resurrection, for Paul reassures people that we will not all sleep, and that it will not take ages but will happen immediately, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet, that is, when we die.

Eternal Life Has Begun

Eternal life is not something that is waiting for us in the distant future. There is no reason to think that we have to wait for a long time, for Jesus tells us that for those who accept the life He gives, the kingdom of heaven is already within them (Luke 17:21), and they have already begun living eternally (John 5:24, 17:2, 1 John 5: 11, 12, 20). That life is not interrupted by death, but rather becomes more abundant and complete.

Excerpt....Can read it all from the below link

What the Bible Says about…

Im done with it.............

 

[ebedmelech]

Well n2thelight, you shouldn't be done with it...but if you want to be, so be it.

The problem with what you're referencing is that they are NOT teaching resurrection.

Take for instance Lazarus, Jesus clearly told the disciples Lazarus was dead...and it also need to be noted that Lazarus died again.

The apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 is the most comprehensive teaching on the resurrection you will find in the bible. He is answering the questions of a church that is asking the very questions you are.

If you really take your time and read that chapter I think you'll find the answers you want.

It's up to you though.

 

[n2thelight]

Well n2thelight, you shouldn't be done with it...but if you want to be, so be it.

The problem with what you're referencing is that they are NOT teaching resurrection.

Take for instance Lazarus, Jesus clearly told the disciples Lazarus was dead...and it also need to be noted that Lazarus died again.

The apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 is the most comprehensive teaching on the resurrection you will find in the bible. He is answering the questions of a church that is asking the very questions you are.

If you really take your time and read that chapter I think you'll find the answers you want.

It's up to you though.

I totally agree on 1 Corinth 15 being the most,however I can't get past the fact that he said we have two bodies....When I reference that with Eccl 12:7 saying the body returns to the dust,I can't see this body being raised....

When I see in Rev the people already in Heaven,being clothed with white robes,as the richman and the begger....When I read of Moses standing on the Mount with Christ,I can't see us ever needing these bodies again....


When Paul says he'd rather be absent from his body in order to be present with the Lord,well ...........

Christ died and went to be with the Father,that is our hope as well,my point is that we go at death,with the only body we shall ever need....

 

[n2thelight]

Let's look at the below verses

I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."

Notice He brings them with Him,now they are either with Him or in the ground,don't think they can be in two places (Heaven and the ground)at the same time....Now since sripture says the soul returns to God at death,what's in the ground?

We don't have a soul,we are a soul,we have a body,that He gave us for this age,which goes back to dust from where it came....

I Thessalonians 4:15 "For we say unto you, by the word of our Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent in no wise [precede] them which are asleep."

." We can not precede them for a very simple reason; the dead are already there with God.That's how He can bring them back as verse 14 states. It is the only logical fact that can come from this....

I Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;"

Again the dead,those that went to sleep,are already with Christ,which can only mean that they have already risen

I Thessalonians 4:17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

We who are alive will be changed into the same bodies that those coming from Heaven with Christ,now have......Aint no bodies coming out of no graves

We have two bodies,the one that went to the grave is nothing bust dust,and dust it shall remain....

 

[Old Timer]

Keep preaching it n2thelight.. in no time you'll have a majority denying the bodily resurrection of the dead.

It doesn't matter one iota that the resurrection happens on the last day, or at the coming of Christ.. there are plenty of itching ears who will gladly buy what you're selling..

 

[ViaCrucis]

So you believe Christ was soul sleep for three days,would this be correct?

Nope.

I believe Christ descended into the lower regions as the Scriptures and Creed state.

I also believe that when you and I die, if we are in Christ, we go to be present with Him waiting until the day we rise.

Resurrection is of the body.
The continued existence of "the soul" between death and resurrection is something different.

Christianity maintains:

1) That man is both body and soul. A body without the soul is a corpse, a soul without a body is naked and not whole.

2) That to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, that is the "soul" exists in some way and somehow consciously exists in God's presence, kept by Him until the last day.

3) That at Christ's coming on the last day, in glory, to judge the living and the dead there will be a resurrection, of both the just and the unjust, the righteous and the wicked; that those that are Christ's will be raised up to immortality and life eternal in the World to Come; while the wicked are raised up to contempt and second death.

The Apostles' Creed says thus:

"carnis resurrectionem,
vitam aeternam.
Amen."

The words in bold literally translate: "[the] resurrection of flesh, [and] life eternal"

Likewise the Nicene Creed says:

"προσδοκῶμεν ἀνάστασιν νεκρῶν,
καὶ ζωὴν τοῦ μέλλοντος αἰῶνος. ἀμήν."

"[the] resurrection of the dead, and the life [of the] age that is to come"

Not some sort of spiritual transformation to become an ethereal being and go dwell in some eternal aether.

That might work for some of the ancient Pagans and heretics, but it does not work for Christians who insist, passionately, that there is a resurrection of the dead, and that resurrection means resurrection. That which is reposed in the ground will rise up, get up, out from the ground to life again. But sown with one sort of life, raised to another sort of life; sown in dishonor, raised in honor; sown in mortality, raised in immortality. When we die, when this body dies, it dies as a mortal frame of sinful flesh, a slave to the passions and lusts; but when it rises, it rises immortal, a slave to the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.

What has been promised us in Baptism is made evident and tangibly real at the resurrection. What is ours now by faith, will be ours to the touching and seeing at the resurrection. For now we see in part, but then face to face.

Christ the Lord, born of the Virgin, died, was buried, His body reposed in the tomb, and on Sunday morning that very body, that very same Jesus Christ, got up, the stone rolled away, and He walked out of that grave. Not an ethereal spirit thing, but the man, solid, bone-in-flesh human person Jesus, bearing the wound marks of the cross for all to witness and see to know that it is Him, and that He has--indeed-vanquished the power of death, having disarmed all rulers, powers, and authorities.

That's the Gospel. Without bodily resurrection, there is no Gospel. Without this there is no Christianity.

If you want a dead Jesus, you can have a dead Jesus. I have a living Jesus, who at this moment, body-and-soul, sits and reigns at the right hand of the Father until the day He comes again in glory to judge the quick and the dead, and His kingdom shall be without end. Forever and ever and ever.

He is solid, He is real, He is flesh, He is bone. And I receive that very and same body and blood that is His in and under the elements, the gifts, of bread and wine every time I receive His Table, the Holy and Blessed Eucharist. The body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ. It is Jesus, the solid, living, real Jesus.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[n2thelight]

@ Via

So you believe Christ had a flesh body before being born of woman?

 

[n2thelight]

One of the ways that Jesus teaches us about the life after death is by saying, "Unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain" (John 12: 24; compare Matthew 13:31; Mark 4:31; Luke 13:19). This is very similar to the analogy that Paul uses: "Someone will say, 'How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?' Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain. But God gives it a body as he pleases, and to each seed its own body." (1 Corinthians 15: 35-38)

When a seed is put into the ground, the outer husk of this seed simply rots away. But within that seed is a germ of life that is raised up with a completely new plant or body around it. Paul says very clearly here that the body which is raised is not the body which is put into the ground. Furthermore, when the farmer plants his seed, it immediately begins growing. It does not remain dormant in the ground for centuries before a new life begins. Likewise, when our bodies are buried in the ground, the germ of life within each of us is immediately raised up clothed with a new body appropriate for the spiritual world.

 

[n2thelight]

So you all don't believe in soul sleep,but rather flesh,ie body sleep....Gotcha......That's not right either though

 

[Old Timer]

One of the ways that Jesus teaches us about the life after death is by saying, "Unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain" (John 12: 24; compare Matthew 13:31; Mark 4:31; Luke 13:19). This is very similar to the analogy that Paul uses: "Someone will say, 'How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?' Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain. But God gives it a body as he pleases, and to each seed its own body." (1 Corinthians 15: 35-38)

When a seed is put into the ground, the outer husk of this seed simply rots away. But within that seed is a germ of life that is raised up with a completely new plant or body around it. Paul says very clearly here that the body which is raised is not the body which is put into the ground. Furthermore, when the farmer plants his seed, it immediately begins growing. It does not remain dormant in the ground for centuries before a new life begins. Likewise, when our bodies are buried in the ground, the germ of life within each of us is immediately raised up clothed with a new body appropriate for the spiritual world.

Sounds absolutely wonderful n2thelight.. and unless we had the crystal clear teaching of the LORD about the resurrection of the dead being on the last day.. and at the coming of the LORD, then maybe you might have something here..

Now why in the world would you use one scriptural example while rejecting another scriptural example.. specifically the fact that we shall be raised on the last day at the coming of Christ?

Because scripture doesn't really matter to you does it?

How could it?

There's perfectly clear teaching that the resurrection is on the last day at the coming of Christ.. and yet you reject that and claim otherwise.

 

[Old Timer]

I think that many have tried to help you here although it's obviously pointless if we're dealing with a person who holds their own opinion over the scriptures?

What's next?

Where's the line drawn?

What kind of false doctrine is next if you don't believe what the LORD has said?