what tell us the Gospel about the death sentences

[Porque77]

Many religions and many religious, for different reasons, preach that Christians can kill the men who commit certain serious offenses. They justify death sentences in many cases ... These religious who accepted penalties death as if were God's law , are justified in many old testament laws ... But, what tell us the Gospel about the death sentences and respect for the lives of people?... The Gospel tells us: 'Thou shalt not kill,' and also, 'He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her' (John 8:1-11). With these teachings, Jesus Christ took away all authority to every man to kill the men.

John 8:1-12 is an example of Jesus following the law rather than making changes to how it is obeyed. There was no judge to pronounce a sentence (Deuteronomy 19:17-21), there was no man accused (Leviticus 20:10), he didn't have any witnesses to examine (Numbers 35:30, Deuteronomy 17:6, Deuteronomy 19:5), he did not have a confession, so if he had condemned her, then he would have acted in violation of the law. Just a few verses later Jesus said that he judged no one (John 8:15) and he also said that he came not to judge (John 12:47), so he did not exercise authority as a magistrate and did not condemn her, but he did recognize her action as sin, and told her to go and sin no more.

You do not teach what the Gospel teaches. Everything what you mention to explain why was not fulfilled the law that commanded to be stoned that woman are just excuses that do not conform to the Gospel, because what Jesus said is this:

'He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her' (John 8:1-11).

The people in this passage were trying to trick Jesus into making a judgement, which he avoided doing, so he was not taking a stance against obeying his law.

What you say, it's not what the Gospel teaches. Jesus clearly spoke against men killing other men, because He said that who is without sin, throw the first stone, and with these words, Jesus forbid to men killing other men, because all are sinners.

And Jesus, the only sinless, gave us his example and not condemn the woman. Thus, Jesus taught us that He did not want men to kill, therefore He annulled the laws of the Old Testament that commanded men to kill people. This is the truth. It's what really teaches the gospel.

 

[Albion]

You do not teach to what the Gospel teaches. Everything what you mention to explain why it was not fulfilled the law that commanded to be stoned that woman are just excuses that do not conform to the Gospel, because what Jesus said is this:

'He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her' (John 8:1-11).

That's not a commentary on the death penalty. It's about hypocrisy; and the objects of Jesus' words were the would-be executioners about to take the law into their own hands.

 

[Soyeong]

You do not teach what the Gospel teaches. Everything what you mention to explain why was not fulfilled the law that commanded to be stoned that woman are just excuses that do not conform to the Gospel, because what Jesus said is this:

'He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her' (John 8:1-11).

What you say, it's not what the Gospel teaches. Jesus clearly spoke against men killing other men, because He said that who is without sin, throw the first stone, and with these words, Jesus forbid to men killing other men, because all are sinners.

And Jesus, the only sinless, gave us his example and not condemn the woman. Thus, Jesus taught us that He did not want men to kill, therefore He annulled the laws of the Old Testament that commanded men to kill people. This is the truth. It's what really teaches the gospel.

I'll grant that what I said is not according to your misunderstanding of what the Gospel teaches. According to Deuteronomy 4:2, it is a sin to add or subtract from the law, so if Jesus had subtracted the law that commanded people to kill people, then he would have sinned and disqualified himself from being the Messiah. Rather, as the verses I cited say, the law requires the witnesses to be the ones who threw the first stones, so there were no witnesses, or at least none who were without guilt in the matter who were willing to also condemn themselves. It does take two to commit adultery and the Bible requires both to be brought forward for sentencing, but there was no man who was accused likely because he was the witness.

 

[1213]

Many religions and many religious, for different reasons, preach that Christians can kill the men who commit certain serious offenses. They justify death sentences in many cases ... These religious who accepted penalties death as if were God's law , are justified in many old testament laws ... But, what tell us the Gospel about the death sentences and respect for the lives of people?... The Gospel tells us: 'Thou shalt not kill,' and also, 'He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her' (John 8:1-11). With these teachings, Jesus Christ took away all authority to every man to kill the men.

Interestingly Gospels tell also this:

Pilate therefore said to them, "Take him yourselves, and judge him according to your law." Therefore the Jews said to him, "It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death,"
John 18:31

 

[Soyeong]

Interestingly Gospels tell also this:

Pilate therefore said to them, "Take him yourselves, and judge him according to your law." Therefore the Jews said to him, "It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death,"
John 18:31

Not lawful according to God's law or Roman law? It was Romans law that had prohibited the Jews from putting anyone to death.

 

[Stillicidia]

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[Stillicidia]

Many religions and many religious, for different reasons, preach that Christians can kill the men who commit certain serious offenses. They justify death sentences in many cases ... These religious who accepted penalties death as if were God's law , are justified in many old testament laws ... But, what tell us the Gospel about the death sentences and respect for the lives of people?... The Gospel tells us: 'Thou shalt not kill,' and also, 'He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her' (John 8:1-11). With these teachings, Jesus Christ took away all authority to every man to kill the men.

I am going over my posts and replacing them,

I should think you were right in what you are saying, because there is also a matter of bearing not the sword in vain among the Christian rulers, but they are rulers, and are of their own necessity.

 

[Porque77]

I am going over my posts and replacing them,

I should think you were right in what you are saying, because there is also a matter of bearing not the sword in vain among the Christian rulers, but they are rulers, and are of their own necessity.

Hi, Stillicidia. The Gospel is very clear:

'Thou shalt not kill,' and also, 'He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her' (John 8:1-11).

This teaching removes the authority all men to kill people, because all men are sinners.

 

[HighwayMan]

Just to point out - the US's record on executions is only comparable to other shining light of human rights nations such as North Korea, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia. That should speak for itself.

 

[Porque77]

That's not a commentary on the death penalty. It's about hypocrisy; and the objects of Jesus' words were the would-be executioners about to take the law into their own hands.

Hello, Albion. You must not deny the truth. This teaching of Jesus removed the authority to all men to kill people, because all men are sinners.

Only Jesus was without sin, and He did not condemn the woman, to teach by his example and make us understand that men should not kill people.

 

[Albion]

Hello, Albion. You must not deny the truth.

Thanks. I'll be sure to follow that advice.

P.S. Why are we writing this in all boldface?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Thanks. I'll be sure to follow that advice.

P.S. Why are we writing this in all boldface?

Probably because it makes us look like we are really serious and more important than those who don't. Now if you really want to impress people, write it in red, and if you really, really, want to impress folks, write it really big in red.

 

[Porque77]

According to Deuteronomy 4:2, it is a sin to add or subtract from the law, so if Jesus had subtracted the law that commanded people to kill people, then he would have sinned and disqualified himself from being the Messiah.

Jesus taught the true Law that God had given to Moses. The precepts of the Old Testament that Jesus annulled were not the true law of God but precepts of men.

Rather, as the verses I cited say, the law requires the witnesses to be the ones who threw the first stones, so there were no witnesses, or at least none who were without guilt in the matter who were willing to also condemn themselves. It does take two to commit adultery and the Bible requires both to be brought forward for sentencing, but there was no man who was accused likely because he was the witness.

Everything you say are assumptions, not what the Gospel teaches. Everything what you say is refuted by the words of Jesus who said:

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her"

All men are sinners, then no one has authority, nor never had authority, to kill people.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Jesus taught the true Law that God had given to Moses. The precepts of the Old Testament that Jesus annulled were not the true law of God but precepts of men.

Everything you say are assumptions, not what the Gospel teaches. Everything what you say is refuted by the words of Jesus who said:

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her"

All men are sinners, then no one has authority, nor never had authority, to kill people.

So, then, is God the author of sin because He commanded people (sinners) to kill other people (sinners) for certain sins?

 

[Porque77]

Jesus taught the true Law that God had given to Moses. The precepts of the Old Testament that Jesus annulled were not the true law of God but precepts of men.

Everything you say are assumptions, not what the Gospel teaches. Everything what you say is refuted by the words of Jesus who said:

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her"

All men are sinners, then no one has authority, nor never had authority, to kill people.

So, then, is God the author of sin because He commanded people (sinners) to kill other people (sinners) for certain sins?

No. You have not understood what I am saying. God did not command men kill other men. That Commandments are precepts of men, not of God. Jesus taught the true Law that God had given to Moses. The precepts of the Old Testament that Jesus annulled were not the true law of God but precepts of men.

 

[Albion]

God did not command men kill other men. .

Not "commanded," no. However, he did permit it.

 

[rob_aston]

Thou shalt not kill

Jesus fulfilled the law, and

 

[bbbbbbb]

Not "commanded," no. However, he did permit it.

He not only permitted it but He commanded the Israelites to exterminate all the inhabitants of the land of Canaan.

 

[Porque77]

God did not command men kill other men.

Not "commanded," no. However, he did permit it.

No, Jesús did not permit men kill people, because He said:

'He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her' (John 8:1-11).

Jesus clearly spoke against men killing other men, because He said that who is without sin, throw the first stone, and with these words, Jesus forbid to men killing other men, because all are sinners.

 

[com7fy8]

We in Jesus specialize in love and compassion and forgiveness.

But God uses secular people to execute His wrath > Romans 13:4.