What is the greatest evidence against the theory of evolution...?

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

OK, here is the point against what you said:
When we subdue a person, the difference in intelligence is small.
When we subdue an animal, the difference in intelligence is huge.
They are fundamentally different.
Can any animal participate in a presidential election?

This is just becoming ridiculous.
Yes, humans are fundamentally more intelligent than animals are. But there is nothing that an animal can do that a human cannot do themselves.
Can an animal take part in an election? That's kind of an open ended question really. Do you mean as a presidential candidate or as a voter?

 

[bhsmte]

If you show me a chimp tribe which cook their food. I concede my argument.

What argument?

 

[PsychoSarah]

If you show me a chimp tribe which cook their food. I concede my argument.

I don't understand why you would need it to be a whole tribe, and your argument was invalid from the start.

Cooking is a learned, invented process. There were, at a point in time, humans that did not know how to do it (and if you go to a university campus, you'll find a few alive today). Acting as if chimps not cooking their food is an indication of lesser intelligence is like saying not being able to drive a car is an indication of lesser intelligence. Do you think everyone that lived before the invention of the car is dumber than those that lived after because none of them knew how to drive a car?

but, videos for you:

sorry this isn't in English

this one is a bonobo, but I found it impressive that it was able to use a match.

more of the bonobo

 

[PsychoSarah]

If so, why aren't other animals become more intelligent at much earlier time? Did they have survival pressure?

Intelligence has a huge cost: energy consumption. Our brains use up an astounding amount of the Calories we eat, and make our dietary requirements darn outrageous.

However, it is not impossible that there were rather intelligent species in the past; they just went extinct for one reason or another. Which, btw, is something that could very well happen to us too. We might be pretty adaptable, but there are many situations that would make our species die out and yet have other species survive. Basically, any time of extreme famine poses a significant threat to intelligent species, and those tend to coincide with many extinction events.

 

[juvenissun]

Yes, humans are fundamentally more intelligent than animals are.

That is all I have said.
So, the intelligence can not be evolved.

 

[bhsmte]

That is all I have said.
So, the intelligence can not be evolved.

What you havent said is, why not?

 

[juvenissun]

I don't understand why you would need it to be a whole tribe, and your argument was invalid from the start.

Teaching/learning is an important landmark of intelligence. A chimp can learn cooking. But can it teach cooking to his fellow chimps? Without the super intelligent human, how could a chimp learn cooking? It can not even raise fire.

 

[juvenissun]

What you havent said is, why not?

Don't know. Because human intelligence is created.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

That is all I have said.
So, the intelligence can not be evolved.

Okay, so I've finally pegged why you're being so insufferable with this. It's not the intelligence that evolves. It's the BRAIN that evolves. A larger brain means more intelligence. Humans have evolved to have larger brains, ergo we have evolved to be more intelligent.
Check-and-mate. Match point. Game set and match. You lose.

 

[juvenissun]

Intelligence has a huge cost: energy consumption.

So, why would human (want to) have this very costly nature?

 

[juvenissun]

Okay, so I've finally pegged why you're being so insufferable with this. It's not the intelligence that evolves. It's the BRAIN that evolves. A larger brain means more intelligence. Humans have evolved to have larger brains, ergo we have evolved to be more intelligent.
Check-and-mate. Match point. Game set and match. You lose.

If you see the correlation between size of brain and degree of intelligence, the result is still the same. The human intelligence is way out of proportion. (in order to be proportional, the human brain need to be as large, or lager than the Empire Building) It is definitely not an evolutional result.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

If you see the correlation between size of brain and degree of intelligence, the result is still the same. The human intelligence is way out of proportion. (in order to be proportional, the human brain need to be as large, or lager than the Empire Building) It is definitely not an evolutional result.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen you write. You do know that synapses for the brain that are directly linked to intelligence are microscopic? That means they are INCREDIBLY TINY and there are many many many thousands of thousands of them in our brain. How on Earth did you even come up with the idea that our brain has to be the size or larger than the Empire State Building?
Plus, you also can't even show that humans are created and not evolved. All you do is stick to ridiculous PRATTs (not the insult, the Point Refuted A Thousand Times), ridiculous double-speak and just childish comments.

 

[bhsmte]

Don't know. Because human intelligence is created.

You don't know, but you know?

LOL!!!

 

[PsychoSarah]

So, why would human (want to) have this very costly nature?

evolution is not a conscious process. not when it is via natural selection. we didn't choose to evolve into an intelligent species. that's just what had the most babies.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Teaching/learning is an important landmark of intelligence. A chimp can learn cooking. But can it teach cooking to his fellow chimps? Without the super intelligent human, how could a chimp learn cooking? It can not even raise fire.

Dude, have you even tried to light a fire without a match or a lighter? It's so hard, that there are scholarships available on the basis of being able to do it.

Also, do you know anyone that knows how to cook without being taught how to do it via directly from a person or by reading directions?

And you again ignore how irrelevant specific learned tasks are to intelligence.

but for your information
"Though human handlers have provided him with some tools and regular viewings of the movie Quest for fire, Kanzi learned how to light the fire and cook the food all by himself, and is teaching his son Teco to do it too."
https://www.thedodo.com/community/FrontierGap/animals-acting-suspiciously-li-994029526.html

 

[juvenissun]

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen you write. You do know that synapses for the brain that are directly linked to intelligence are microscopic? That means they are INCREDIBLY TINY and there are many many many thousands of thousands of them in our brain. How on Earth did you even come up with the idea that our brain has to be the size or larger than the Empire State Building?
Plus, you also can't even show that humans are created and not evolved. All you do is stick to ridiculous PRATTs (not the insult, the Point Refuted A Thousand Times), ridiculous double-speak and just childish comments.

It is the same whether you compare the brain size macroscopically or microscopically. The difference is too large to be explained by evolution.

 

[juvenissun]

You don't know, but you know?

LOL!!!

Yes, I don't know. But I know. Exactly.
That is not evolutional at all.

 

[juvenissun]

evolution is not a conscious process. not when it is via natural selection. we didn't choose to evolve into an intelligent species. that's just what had the most babies.

So there is no reason, in whatever point of view, to spend huge energy to evolve the intelligence.
By the way, how much energy is needed to increase 1% of intelligence?

 

[juvenissun]

Dude, have you even tried to light a fire without a match or a lighter? It's so hard, that there are scholarships available on the basis of being able to do it.

Also, do you know anyone that knows how to cook without being taught how to do it via directly from a person or by reading directions?

Exactly. No animals can raise a fire and cook.
That is why I said that human intelligence is absolutely not an evolved product.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It is the same whether you compare the brain size macroscopically or microscopically. The difference is too large to be explained by evolution.

No it isn't. Just because you can't understand it, doesn't mean it's wrong.