Was Rick Perry right on guns at the movies?

[zippy2]

I always think when these horrific mass shootings occur, 'what if just ONE person had been carrying a gun?'

 

[stamperben]

For once, I actually agree with Rick Perry. There's no doubt that if more movie goers carried guns for protection, mass shooters may not have such an easy time of killing them.

And yet...

Regular People Are Totally Useless When Trying to Use Handguns In Self-Defense

 

[rambot]

I always think when these horrific mass shootings occur, 'what if just ONE person had been carrying a gun?'

You assumption is that nobody had a gun.
Your other assumption is that ANYONE who has a gun is willing to kill someone.

 

[Darkhorse]

I'm talking about a situation in which multiple armed individuals are present, but only one of them is the bad guy. I don't know why it is assumed that, in such a situation, it would be clear who the bad guy really is. What happens when a good guy pulls out a gun to shoot the bad guy and is shot by another good guy who thinks that he is with the bad guy?

Can you cite a situation in the news where that has happened?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I always think when these horrific mass shootings occur, 'what if just ONE person had been carrying a gun?'

I always think, what if there were just one fewer person with a gun there?

 

[trunks2k]

Can you cite a situation in the news where that has happened?

IIRC, it almost happened a few years ago when a gunman shot up a mall. One of the victims had a gun, drew it out, and said he almost shot at another victim who he thought was the perpetrator but realized at the last moment he was wrong. IIRC, what stopped that shooter were people rushing and tackling the shooter.

There's really not many situations in which there's a mass shooter and someone in the crowd with a gun and enough time to react.

 

[Darkhorse]

IIRC, it almost happened a few years ago when a gunman shot up a mall. One of the victims had a gun, drew it out, and said he almost shot at another victim who he thought was the perpetrator but realized at the last moment he was wrong. IIRC, what stopped that shooter were people rushing and tackling the shooter.

There's really not many situations in which there's a mass shooter and someone in the crowd with a gun and enough time to react.

That's because all mass shootings in the U.S. in the past few decades (except one) have occurred in "gun free" zones, where most law-abiding gun owners don't carry.

And "almost" doesn't count for much.

 

[rambot]

That's because all mass shootings in the U.S. in the past few decades (except one) have occurred in "gun free" zones, where most law-abiding gun owners don't carry.

And "almost" doesn't count for much.

As I mentioned, huge swaths of the developed world are "gun free" zones and yet y'all have more shootings in your gun free zones than anyone else.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I'm pretty sure no shooter has ever claimed to have chosen his shooting site because it was a gun free zone.

 

[zippy2]

I'm pretty sure no shooter has ever claimed to have chosen his shooting site because it was a gun free zone.

Pretty sure don't cut it. Sorry. Think 'school shootings'.

 

[Darkhorse]

As I mentioned, huge swaths of the developed world are "gun free" zones and yet y'all have more shootings in your gun free zones than anyone else.

The history and mindset of the American people is unique in world history. Most places in the world have populations who are used to jumping when a government authority whistles. In contrast to these whipped dogs, the American colonies had to take care of themselves while England sparred with other European governments. When the king finally got back to whistling, we told him where to shove it.

In colonial Virginia, a law required colonists to bring their guns to church to guard against Indian (Native American) attacks.

Some Virginians still carry guns in church.

 

[Darkhorse]

I'm pretty sure no shooter has ever claimed to have chosen his shooting site because it was a gun free zone.

Actually, the Colorado theater shooter passed by several nearby theaters to reach one where guns were not allowed...

 

[zippy2]

You assumption is that nobody had a gun.
Your other assumption is that ANYONE who has a gun is willing to kill someone.

If they are not willing they should not be carrying. Guns are not playthings to 'scare' bad guys. They are weapons to take the bad guys out.

 

[zippy2]

The history and mindset of the American people is unique in world history. Most places in the world have populations who are used to jumping when a government authority whistles. In contrast to these whipped dogs, the American colonies had to take care of themselves while England sparred with other European governments. When the king finally got back to whistling, we told him where to shove it.

In colonial Virginia, a law required colonists to bring their guns to church to guard against Indian (Native American) attacks.

Some Virginians still carry guns in church.

Well said.

God bless Virginia!

 

[Ana the Ist]

Pretty sure don't cut it. Sorry. Think 'school shootings'.

Ok...I'm 100% sure no shooter has ever chosen a site because it's a gun-free zone.

Got any examples where they did?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Actually, the Colorado theater shooter passed by several nearby theaters to reach one where guns were not allowed...

And?

No offense, but that guy is obviously crazy...and to my knowledge he never once said he wanted a gun-free zone.

 

[Ana the Ist]

There's this....

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/gun-free-zones-mass-shootings

 

[stamperben]

Killers go to schools and theaters for one reason only, and it isn't because of any signage, they go to those places because there are people there, lots of people.

 

[Skaloop]

How many theatre shootouts have you been involved in to have such expertise on how it would go down? Even if you have such expertise, how many other people who would be carrying in such a situation would have the same expertise?

 

[Skaloop]

I always think when these horrific mass shootings occur, 'what if just ONE person had been carrying a gun?'

Probably more people would be shot.