The wedding at Cana: Wine or grape juice?

[Gregory Thompson]

oh yeah having a form of godliness but denying its power, from such turn away.

 

[Rajni]

Are folks really saying that water intoxication is a growing problem like alcohol intoxication?
That really doesn't make any sense.

Does it have to be growing to be bad? If intoxication
is bad, it’s bad, whether it’s growing or not. And
with water intoxication, that packs more of a punch
in the short-term because the deadly effects, should
they happen, are more immediate.

people get addicted to the sensation of drinking water so much that they drink too much of it and their blood cells burst and they die.

I recall a couple of times when I had taken in a good amount
of water in one sitting and it did give me a slight buzz. This
was before I learned about water-intoxication. Now that I
know about it, if I happen to drink too much and get that
light-headed feeling, it makes me a tad nervous.

-

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I recall a couple of times when I had taken in a good amount
of water in one sitting and it did give me a slight buzz. This
was before I learned about water-intoxication. Now that I
know about it, if I happen to drink too much and get that
light-headed feeling, it makes me a tad nervous.

-

Fortunately, my body tells me when it's full if i'm having one of those drink lots of water days, so I don't drink too much at a time.

 

[Standing Up]

Water intoxication, who'd have thunk?

But, in keeping with the argument, no wonder Christ turned the water into wine...

 

[RDKirk]

Most Christians here in America hold to a form of OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved). Others hold to the opposite wrong extreme (Which is self directed Works Salvationism). Also, most churches gather in a building that they call a church. When in reality the body of believers is the church. Believers are supposed to gather in small groups within their homes and celebrate the Lord's supper and have close fellowship with one another in the LORD.

And practically everyone in America likes to describe everyone else in specific terms that make them look bad and make him look good.

 

[Albion]

I have read many articles of quotes and sources from numerous historical documents and figures who did mix water with wine in Biblical times.

If you mix water with wine, you just get diluted wine, not grape juice or kool-ade.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

And practically everyone in America likes to describe everyone else in specific terms that make them look bad and make him look good.

There is none good but God. Any good done in my life is the result of Him; And He deserves all the glory, honor, and power. I am nothing; And Christ is everything that is good.

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,

If you are ready.
This is my life.

When I was to learn the Bible an instructor was given to me.
When I was to learn the Bible, a Catholic was he.
He had me take all the Bibles there were.
He had me scour every verse, every thought, ever said, on a subject.

When I saw, Thou shall not kill.
I saw God had many killed.
I didn't think God would kill, if He said do not kill.
I scoured and thought and thought and compared.

Not a single verse, did I exclude, in the search for what God meant.
Eventually killing turned into murder, That's what He meant.
It is in not throwing out anything, that The Lords meanings are known.
Now there are passages of the ills of wine, and of it's goodness.

Wherein, is what God means?
Where?
You say none is good but God.
That is where you are.

You are at the stage of contemplating the Goodness of God.
Yes, He is Good, and He is more. He is wise and God and even more.
He did not ask me to know all about God.
He only asked that I strive to know all.

In that striving throwing nothing out Genesis 9:1, Genesis 1:28, they are there.
Just taking part, Subduing the earth and filling it.
Babylon was becuase they did not spread. He, God had it said twice.
He caused them to spread.

But it was only a blessing, in Genesis 1:28, how can it be?
It is because with all the passages one can see, one knows God more intimately.
A blessing by God is also a command.
Filling the earth, was the command they disobeyed.

Now on to my lessons. Genesis 1:28, is the command to do science.
God, has commanded all of mankind to do science.
It is right to say, that the wisdom of God, is used in Science.
It is right. Science is merely finding out what God has done.

Science is another way to understand God. He actually told us to do that also.
One more thing to understand God. It is to follow the civilian laws.
When no passage clear, is there. On this or that. It is nowhere.
To use what you incompletely have, just the Bible, the sun moves and not the earth.

Many more things can be learned by throwing out nothing of God.
Thus Romans 14, tells us how to treat prayers of others, and foods and things.
Thus Romans 13, tells us love also, but love is in the laws of Government.
How can I say that love is in the laws of Government. It is math, a science of sorts.

One plus one is two. God is Love also. God made the civlian laws, and so they are good.
Love made the civilian laws, as God is Love, God made those laws.
Thus to me, Love is in those civlian laws, if I use them.
They and 14, say wine is good.

Yes, this is me and you are you.
These were my John 6 and John 7 ways.
The Father is everyone's teacher.
He assigns Jesus to some of us. Not all are believers, but it still is God.

How much has your God taught me?
I don't know,
How much is there to learn.
There is much I would say.

If you know all the passages about drink and alcohol, they all are true.
The work is in finding out how they all can be true.
Yet, do not throw out God's command for science, and medicine and psychology are science.
Yet, neither throw out the laws of God in all the other places they are. in Governments, in hearts, in minds, in the Bible. All of those work together and all are true, simultaneously.

LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

 

[prodromos]

My apologies. But please know that Eastern Orthodox is very similar to Catholicism in many ways, though.

Protestantism is very similar to Catholicism in many ways too.

If we met in person and you did not tell me you were not Catholic, I would have no way of really knowing the difference (Because they are alot a like even though there are some differences).

I'd put it down to ignorance. All I know is that you seem very good at making false assumptions.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Protestantism is very similar to Catholicism in many ways too.

I'd put it down to ignorance. All I know is that you seem very good at making false assumptions.

Most Protestants believe in Once Saved Always Saved. I am strongly opposed against that. Hence, why I am non-denominational.

 

[prodromos]

Most Protestants believe in Once Saved Always Saved. I am strongly opposed against that.

That's good. You have something in common with Orthodoxy

 

[bbbbbbb]

That's good. You have something in common with Orthodoxy

Say it isn't so!!!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That's good. You have something in common with Orthodoxy

Yes, I have been aware of for a long time that Catholics and Orthodox Churches are against OSAS. But some I have talked with in the RCC camp have claimed you cannot have assurance of your salvation.

 

[prodromos]

Yes, I have been aware of for a long time that Catholics and Orthodox Churches are against OSAS. But some I have talked with in the RCC camp have claimed you cannot have assurance of your salvation.

I think it is more that we don't take our salvation for granted. As Paul said in Philipians 2, "work out your salvation with fear and trembling". If we start to assume its a done deal, then pride starts to take root which, if it takes hold, leaves the door wide open with a welcome mat for the evil one to come and make himself at home.

 

[Albion]

Most Protestants believe in Once Saved Always Saved. I am strongly opposed against that. Hence, why I am non-denominational.

I always wonder what people mean when they say they're non-denominational, but that aside, I doubt that most Protestants ARE, in actuality, believers in the concept of Perseverance in Grace. Certainly there are many which do not.

I have been aware of for a long time that Catholics and Orthodox Churches are against OSAS. But some I have talked with in the RCC camp have claimed you cannot have assurance of your salvation.

This statement confuses me in that the second sentence seems to be saying the same thing as the first although the "But" makes it seem as though it's supposed to be an exception to what was said above. Theologically speaking, no Catholic or Orthodox Christian should believe that his salvation is assured. That's just not what their churches teach.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I always wonder what people mean when they say they're non-denominational, but that aside, I doubt that most Protestants ARE, in actuality, believers in the concept of Perseverance in Grace. Certainly there are many which do not.



This statement confuses me in that the second sentence seems to be saying the same thing as the first although the "But" makes it seem as though it's supposed to be an exception to what was said above. Theologically speaking, no Catholic or Orthodox Christian should believe that his salvation is assured. That's just not what their churches teach.

Not all Catholics believe what the church teaches. Anyways, I believe Anglicanism is very similar to Catholicism and Orthodox Churches. They all communicate with the dead which is forbidden in Scripture. They also partake of the Eucharist which is a practice not found in the New Testament.

 

[seekingsolace]

Not all Catholics believe what the church teaches. Anyways, I believe Anglicanism is very similar to Catholicism and Orthodox Churches. They all communicate with the dead which is forbidden in Scripture.

A number of Anglicans on here certainly do not communicate with the dead as suggested.

 

[Albion]

Not all Catholics believe what the church teaches.

That's true. Was that your point before?

Anyways, I believe Anglicanism is very similar to Catholicism and Orthodox Churches.

That's a misconception. But there are SOME similarities, and a "non-denominational" Christian might think that there's a stronger similarity than there is.

They all communicate with the dead

Well, that's flatly wrong. This may be a good example of how people think they see similarities and yet they're just mistaken.

They also partake of the Eucharist which is a practice not found in the New Testament.

But whether or not you are correct about it being found in the New Testament, MOST Christian churches observe this sacrament, so there's no particular connection between Anglicanism and Roman Catholicism in that. No more than between Anglicanism and Methodist, Presbyterianism, or, for that matter, the non-denominational Churches of Christ and Disciples of Christ. In fact, just about EVERY Christian denomination partakes of the holy meal except for the Quakers and Salvation Army.

 

[Standing Up]

Not all Catholics believe what the church teaches. Anyways, I believe Anglicanism is very similar to Catholicism and Orthodox Churches. They all communicate with the dead which is forbidden in Scripture. They also partake of the Eucharist which is a practice not found in the New Testament.

Who's the "they"? The dead?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

A number of Anglicans on here certainly do not communicate with the dead as suggested.

But some do, though. The point is that there similarities.