The Same Event

[Bible2]

Choose Wisely said in post 19:

The Lord Himself will decend from heaven with a shout...............

He will send his angels.................

So which is it if he only comes once?

Note that 1 Thessalonians 4:16 doesn't say "BY himself", just as nothing in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 requires that the Lord himself won't be accompanied by his angels at that time, for otherwise there could be no "voice of the archangel" heard at that time. And 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 refers to the same 2nd coming of Jesus and gathering together (rapture) of the church as 2 Thessalonians 2:1, which refers to the same 2nd coming of Jesus and gathering together (rapture) of the church as Matthew 24:30-31. Jesus will send forth his angels at that time in order to gather together (Matthew 24:31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1) all the "caught up" believers (1 Thessalonians 4:17) in myriad different places in the sky (the first heaven) all around the globe (Mark 13:27, Matthew 24:31) to the one place in the sky above Jerusalem where the returned Jesus will be before he lands on the Mount of Olives (Zechariah 14:4).

Choose Wisely said in post 19:

The trump of God

The last Trump

So which is it......as they are not the same?

The trump-of-God resurrection of the church (1 Thessalonians 4:16) at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15) is the last trump resurrection of the church (1 Corinthians 15:52) at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6). And the trump of God/last trump is the trumpet in Matthew 24:31, at the 2nd coming (Matthew 24:30), immediately after the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

 

[tonyRebornInChrist]

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The 144,000 will all be Christians (Revelation 14:1,4)

No they wont be. The scripture is very clear about this. They are 144,000 Jews from the 12 tribes of Israel. 12 Thousand from each tribe. (Rev 7:4-8)

God has not forgotten about His chosen people. Its the time of Jacobs(Israels)Trouble.(Jer 30:7). The Church/Christians will also not be present whilst God judgements are poured out.

 

[bibletruth469]

Bible2 No they wont be. The scripture is very clear about this. They are 144,000 Jews from the 12 tribes of Israel. 12 Thousand from each tribe. (Rev 7:4-8) God has not forgotten about His chosen people. Its the time of Jacobs(Israels)Trouble.(Jer 30:7). The Church/Christians will also not be present whilst God judgements are poured out.

Amen !

 

[ebedmelech]

Bible2
No they wont be. The scripture is very clear about this. They are 144,000 Jews from the 12 tribes of Israel. 12 Thousand from each tribe. (Rev 7:4-8)

God has not forgotten about His chosen people. Its the time of Jacobs(Israels)Trouble.(Jer 30:7). The Church/Christians will also not be present whilst God judgements are poured out.

Yes they will be!!!

To ignore Paul saying Jews and Gentiles are one in Christ, and that all who are in Christ are of the faith of Abraham..how can Christians not be part of Israel?

Listen to Paul in Ephesians 2:
19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household,

Now listen to what Peter says in 1 Peter 2:9. 10:
9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

Now where did Peter get that from? Do you know?

Why is Paul calling Christians "THE TRUE CIRCUMCISION" in Philippians 3:3?

Why did Paul say this in Romans 2:28, 29?
28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh.
29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

That passage is telling you clearly we Christians a "Spiritual Jews" because our hearts are circumcised by the Spirit of God!!!

I can't help it that you don't believe it.

 

[Choose Wisely]

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Note that 1 Thessalonians 4:16 doesn't say "BY himself", just as nothing in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 requires that the Lord himself won't be accompanied by his angels at that time, for otherwise there could be no "voice of the archangel" heard at that time.

The voice of the archangel is in heaven. Nothing requires that the archangel leave heaven.

And 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 refers to the same 2nd coming of Jesus and gathering together (rapture) of the church as 2 Thessalonians 2:1, which refers to the same 2nd coming of Jesus and gathering together (rapture) of the church as Matthew 24:30-31.

Nothing requires that the rapture of the church will occur at Matt 24 30-31.

Jesus will send forth his angels at that time in order to gather together (Matthew 24:31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1) all the "caught up" believers (1 Thessalonians 4:17) in myriad different places in the sky (the first heaven) all around the globe (Mark 13:27, Matthew 24:31) to the one place in the sky above Jerusalem where the returned Jesus will be before he lands on the Mount of Olives (Zechariah 14:4).

Nothing requires that the bouncing ball theory is correct. The theory is illogical and unscriptural.

The trump-of-God resurrection of the church (1 Thessalonians 4:16) at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15) is the last trump resurrection of the church (1 Corinthians 15:52) at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

Nothing requires that the rapture and 2nd coming are the same event.

And the trump of God/last trump is the trumpet in Matthew 24:31, at the 2nd coming (Matthew 24:30), immediately after the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

Nothing requires that the Trump of God......Or voice of God........be the Last Trump that is blown on the Feast of Trumpets.......In fact......it is impossible for them to be the same trump.

 

[Choose Wisely]

So the 2nd coming will be like "the days of Noah" (Matthew 24:37) and "the days of Lot" (Luke 17:28,30) in that just as Noah went into the ark before the Flood, and Lot went out from Sodom before it was destroyed, so the church will be raptured into the sky at the 2nd coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, Matthew 24:30-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7) before Jesus begins the 2nd-coming wrath (Revelation 19:15 to 20:3, Luke 17:26-30, Matthew 24:37-39).

Nothing requires that the second coming will be like the days of Noah. There is a requirement that one of the comings of the son of man will be like the days of Noah. Noah was in the ark 7 days before the flood..... and yet the very day Lot leaves Sodom destruction comes. There is a reason for this.

 

[Choose Wisely]

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The 144,000 will all be Christians (Revelation 14:1,4),

Note.....there is a requirement that the 144,000 come from the 12 tribes.

and so they will all be part of the church (cf. Ephesians 4:4-6).

They are not Gentile...hence......they are not the church.

They will be the firstfruits of the church (Revelation 14:4)

If I have 144000 ears of corn that are the first fruits, I know the harvest will be corn. Hence it is a requirement for the harvest to be Israel as the first fruits are from the 12 tribes.

Note that nothing in the Bible teaches or requires a pre-tribulation rapture of the church.

Note that there are people with crowns in Rev 4.

Instead, the Bible makes clear that Jesus won't come and gather together (rapture) the church until immediately after the future tribulation

Note that nothing requires that the rapture of the Church will occur after the Tribulation. There is a gathering, but nothing requires that it is the Gentile Church.

 

[n2thelight]

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No they wont be. The scripture is very clear about this. They are 144,000 Jews from the 12 tribes of Israel. 12 Thousand from each tribe. (Rev 7:4-8)

God has not forgotten about His chosen people. Its the time of Jacobs(Israels)Trouble.(Jer 30:7). The Church/Christians will also not be present whilst God judgements are poured out.

What makes you think the 144,000 are Jew's,when the fact remains,not all 12 tribes are Jewish?

And why do people continue to seperate the Church from Israel?

Ain't nobody got a free pass till Christ returns....There are only two groups of people,those who belong to Christ,and those that don't.....

 

[n2thelight]

Revelation 7:4 "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Is'-ra-el."

This seal has nothing to do with going to heaven; but it is the full knowledge of How to stand against the wiles of Satan the Antichrist. This has to take place before the "son of perdition" [Satan] sets his feet on this earth as the Antichrist. You will know how to identify Satan, from the true Christ, or you will be deceived by the Antichrist and become part of his system. Satan is that good, and the Word of God declares it before the fact.

This sealing will be marked in the minds of God's elect in all the tribes of Israel. If you believe this is referring only to the Jews, then you are far off base. The "House of Israel" comprise ten of the twelve tribes, and they were scattered long ago. We know them today as the Christian nations of the Americas, Western Europe, and wherever else they migrated to, and now exist. The book of Hosea details this fact for us.

Revelation 7:5 "Of the tribe of Ju'-da were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reu'-ben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand."

The Jews are of the tribe of Judah [Ju'-da], and Benjamin only, as well as part of the tribe of Levi.

 

[Choose Wisely]

n2thelight;65004578]

What makes you think the 144,000 are Jew's,when the fact remains,not all 12 tribes are Jewish?

Paul groups Israel as Jews as does the world....but no problem......they are 12000 from each tribe. No need to play the coke....pop....soda game.

And why do people continue to seperate the Church from Israel?

Because they are separate and Israel will be grafted again into the vine.

Ain't nobody got a free pass till Christ returns....There are only two groups of people,those who belong to Christ,and those that don't.....

And the Word says they will see who they have pierced and that Israel will be saved.

 

[n2thelight]

n2thelight;65004578] Paul groups Israel as Jews as does the world....but no problem......they are 12000 from each tribe. No need to play the coke....pop....soda game.

Because they are separate and Israel will be grafted again into the vine.


And the Word says they will see who they have pierced and that Israel will be saved.

You can't wait for Christ to get here and then be saved,don't care who you are!!!! And the Church is not seperate from Israel...........

 

[parousia70]

They are not Gentile...hence......they are not the church.

Jesus Christ and His JEWISH followers ARE The Church. With Gentiles grafted in of course.

Also, There is NO ISRAEL, apart from CHRIST, the Reigning KING OF ISRAEL.

 

[parousia70]

The Holy Spirit resides within every believer and because of that fact , satan can not have complete control.

So your claim is that Satan has "partial control" but not complete control over believers?

What is this partial control you speak of that Satan has?

 

[Bible2]

Choose Wisely said in post 26:

Nothing requires that the second coming will be like the days of Noah.

Matthew 24:37 does, because it refers to the same coming of Jesus which he has just referred to in Matthew 24:30.

The unsaved people of the world will have no idea that most of them are going to be killed at Jesus' 2nd coming until it happens (Matthew 24:37-39). For they could think that the 2nd coming had already occurred with the coming into power of the Antichrist's miracle-working False Prophet (Revelation 13:13-14, Revelation 19:20), who could claim to be Jesus returned. And just as the people of the world shortly before Noah's flood, even though they could see or hear about Noah building his huge ark, no doubt rejected the idea that YHWH had the power to actually cause a global flood which would kill them, so the people of the world at the end of the future tribulation could reject the idea that YHWH has the power to actually defeat them.

For during the tribulation's 2nd half, the world will see the power of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) and his fallen angels (Revelation 12:9), and the power Lucifer will give to the Antichrist to take over the entire earth (Revelation 13:4-8), and to utterly revile YHWH year after year without being destroyed (Revelation 13:5-6, Daniel 11:36), and to physically overcome and kill people in the church in every nation (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13). And the world will see the amazing miraculous powers that Lucifer will give to the Antichrist's False Prophet, by which he will be able to even call fire down from heaven in the sight of everyone (Revelation 13:13, cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

And near the end of the future tribulation, the world will see the Antichrist's defeat of YHWH's amazingly-powerful two witnesses (Revelation 11:3-9), after which defeat the world will rejoice and make merry and send gifts to each other because the two witnesses had been sending plagues on the world (Revelation 11:10,6). And even though those plagues will be shortly followed by even more plagues from YHWH, poured out directly from heaven (Revelation 16, the tribulation's final stage), the people of the world won't lose their confidence that YHWH can still be defeated. For after almost all of the plagues from heaven are over, the world will see the awesome miraculous powers of some unclean spirits, convincing the world's armies to gather together for a battle against YHWH (Revelation 16:13-14, Revelation 19:19). And so the world could come to that battle at the very end of the tribulation with the same careless attitude as some people at the start of the American Civil War, who held picnics at the expected first battleground of Bull Run/Manassas to watch the battle and what they expected to be a quick and easy victory.

Choose Wisely said in post 26:

Noah was in the ark 7 days before the flood..... and yet the very day Lot leaves Sodom destruction comes.

If you think that Noah's flood is analogous to the tribulation (instead of the 2nd coming), and that days are analogous to years, are you saying that the rapture will occur 7 years before the tribulation? If so, why would that be, instead of the same day that the tribulation starts, like Noah went into the ark (for the last time) "in the selfsame day" that the flood started (Genesis 7:11-17)? Luke 17:27 similarly shows that the flood started the same day that Noah entered the ark (for the last time).

Or, if you think that the flood is analogous to the 2nd coming, then why can't the rapture (the gathering together of the church) be the same day as the 2nd coming, immediately after the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6)?

Genesis 7:2-10 shows that Noah spent the 7 days before the flood gathering all the different animals into the ark. So Genesis 7:11-17 means simply that the entering of all the animals was completed on the same day that the flood started. Since the analogy in Luke 17:26-37 and Matthew 24:37-41 compares the flood to the 2nd coming (Luke 17:30, Matthew 24:37b,39b), which Jesus had just finished saying won't happen until immediately after the future tribulation (Matthew 24:29-30), Genesis 7:2-10 could have typified the "fulness of the Gentiles being come in" (Romans 11:25b) to salvation by the end of the (possibly 7-year) future tribulation which will immediately precede the 2nd coming (Matthew 24:29-31), the 2nd coming being when all still-living, unsaved elect genetic Israelites will become saved (Romans 11:25-29).

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Choose Wisely said in post 27:

Note that there are people with crowns in Rev 4.

The 24 elders (Revelation 4:4) could be 24 chief angels, who, along with the 4 beasts/seraphims, have been worshipping God continually (as in 24 hours a day) for untold ages (Revelation 4:8-11, Isaiah 6:2-3). Just as the ancient Jewish temple on earth was modeled after the temple in heaven (Hebrews 9:23-24, Hebrews 8:5), so the 24 courses of the ancient Jewish chief priests on earth (1 Chronicles 24:7-18) could have been modeled after the 24 elders in heaven. God could have also patterned the 24 hours of the day on earth after the 24 elders in heaven. And he could have also patterned the church's 12 tribes of Israel and its 12 apostles (Revelation 21:9,12,14), together forming the number 24, after the 24 elders in heaven.

At the time of Revelation 5:8-9, the 24 elders and the 4 beasts/seraphims could be singing before God the prayers of the church (Revelation 5:8c), just as subsequently we see an angel offering up before God the prayers of the church (Revelation 8:4). So in Revelation 5:9, the 24 elders and the 4 beasts/seraphims can be singing words which don't apply to themselves, just as human singers on earth can sing words which don't apply to themselves (e.g. James Taylor singing the words of the song "Millworker", which are the words of a female millworker).

The 24 elders wearing crowns (Revelation 4:4) doesn't forbid them (as is sometimes claimed) from being angels. For if even the weird locust-like beings and the devil can wear crowns (Revelation 9:7, Revelation 12:3,9), then some angels can wear crowns.

Also, the 24 elders wearing white clothing (Revelation 4:4) doesn't forbid them (as is sometimes claimed) from being angels, for angels can wear white clothing (Revelation 15:6, John 20:12).

 

[Zadok7000]

I know we have alot of rapture topics on here,but I just had to start this one.....

Matthew 24, 1 Thessalonians 4 and 1 Corinthians 15 are the same event

The following demonstrate very well that all three passages in the Bible that are referring to the second coming of Christ are precisely that. God never intended for His Word to be cryptic or some mountain of confusion where one or more passages are supposedly referring to the second coming and others to some supposed fictional secret rapture.

By comparing point by point in the following two passages, we can observe that both of the following two chapters are referring to the same event. Observe the perfect parallels below.


I Thessalonians 4:14 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."

I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

I Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;"

I Corinthians 15:23 "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming."

I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

Now compare Matthew 24 with the above events using 1 Thessalonians since some erroneously teach that Matthew 24 is talking about the glorious second coming of Jesus, which they teach is a different event to the above chapters which they say refers to a secret rapture.

I Thessalonians 4:15 "For we say unto you, by the word of our Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent in no wise [precede] them which are asleep."

Matthew 24:27 "For as the lightning cometh our to the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

I Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;"

Matthew 24:31 "And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

I Thessalonians 4:17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Matthew 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

Matthew 24:31 "And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

I Thessalonians 5:1 "But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you."

Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only."

I Thessalonians 5:2 "For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night."

Matthew 24:43 "But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up."

I Thessalonians 5:3 "For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."

Matthew 24:39 "And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the son of man be."

I Thessalonians 5:6 "Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober."

Matthew 24:42 "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."

As you can see, not only are these the same event and so parallel each other perfectly but are even in the same order. There are not two different aspects of the return of Jesus. There is only one second coming and the theory of a secret rapture with a second chance is just another deception of the enemy.

Matthew 24
Jesus coming ,Trumpet,angels gather saints,coming in the clouds

1Thess 4
Jesus coming,Trumpet,dead saints raised,coming in clouds

1Corinth15
At His coming,Last trump,dead saints raised......

Christ only returns once more,which is the second coming.......

 

[Choose Wisely]

You can't wait for Christ to get here and then be saved,don't care who you are!!!! And the Church is not seperate from Israel...........

Israel will come to know their savior during the time of Jacobs trouble. There is a reason it is the time of Jacobs trouble. The 144,000 are the 1st fruits of the coming harvest of Israel.

 

[bibletruth469]

So your claim is that Satan has "partial control" but not complete control over believers? What is this partial control you speak of that Satan has?

The answer is found in the work of Christ. The condition of man before salvation is total depravity. Christ made a way for us to be saved by dying on the cross as one perfect sacrifice . Anyone who accepts Him as savior can have total forgiveness of sins. We live in a fallen world even though Christ has made a way for us .

There is still evil in the world and satan tries to steal a believers joy, however , he knows that each believer is sealed with the Holy Spirit Eph 1:13-14, 2 cor 1:21-22. He knows that he can not take a believers salvation.romans 8:38-39.

In other words, a believer has the right to choose to walk by the spirit and will have peace,or choose to walk by the flesh . This is when the believer can be tempted by satan. Hope I answered your question.

 

[Choose Wisely]

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If you think that Noah's flood is analogous to the tribulation (instead of the 2nd coming), and that days are analogous to years, are you saying that the rapture will occur 7 years before the tribulation?

Noah being in the ark 7 days before the flood is a picture of the church being raptured 7 years before the wrath of God. This 7 years is the time of Jacobs trouble, when Israel is re-grafted into the vine. The 144000 are the first fruits of the harvest of Israel....the four corners......just like the Bible says.

If so, why would that be, instead of the same day that the tribulation starts, like Noah went into the ark (for the last time) "in the selfsame day" that the flood started (Genesis 7:11-17)? Luke 17:27 similarly shows that the flood started the same day that Noah entered the ark (for the last time).

Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood.......just like the Bible says.
Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

Genesis 7:2-10 shows that Noah spent the 7 days before the flood gathering all the different animals into the ark. So Genesis 7:11-17 means simply that the entering of all the animals was completed on the same day that the flood started.

Note that there is a requirement that ALL the animals, and Noah and family enter the ark on the same self day. You claiming that the animals are loaded in 7 days goes against what the scripture says. Your premiss is left wanting... or premise if you prefer.

Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort

Since the analogy in Luke 17:26-37 and Matthew 24:37-41 compares the flood to the 2nd coming (Luke 17:30, Matthew 24:37b,39b), which Jesus had just finished saying won't happen until immediately after the future tribulation (Matthew 24:29-30), Genesis 7:2-10 could have typified the "fulness of the Gentiles being come in" (Romans 11:25b) to salvation by the end of the (possibly 7-year) future tribulation which will immediately precede the 2nd coming (Matthew 24:29-31), the 2nd coming being when all still-living, unsaved elect genetic Israelites will become saved (Romans 11:25-29).

You are in confusion regarding the rapture, the wrath of God and the second coming. Until you line up the sun, moon and stars event of Matt 24 and Revelation 6 you will stay that way.

 

[n2thelight]

Israel will come to know their savior during the time of Jacobs trouble. There is a reason it is the time of Jacobs trouble. The 144,000 are the 1st fruits of the coming harvest of Israel.

So the question ,who is Israel?My answers is,they are the Christian nations throughout the world......

One must know Christ,before He returns,aint know getting to know Him after.....Not speaking on the millennium,as that will be a time for learning the true Word of God.......

 

[Bible2]

Choose Wisely said in post 36:

Israel will come to know their savior during the time of Jacobs trouble.

The time of Jacob's trouble which he will be saved out of (Jeremiah 30:7) won't be the entire future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, but only the final pillaging of the Jews in Jerusalem at the very end of the tribulation, right before Jesus returns and saves them (Zechariah 14:2-5). The church, including Gentile believers (Revelation 7:9,14), will be in the tribulation (Matthew 24:9-13, Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6).

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Choose Wisely said in post 38:

Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood.......just like the Bible says.
Genesis 7
9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

Genesis 7:9-10 doesn't say that Noah entered the ark for the last time 7 days before the flood. It just means that he spent the 7 days before the flood bringing all the animals into the ark. For Genesis 7:11,13 and Luke 17:27 show that Noah entered the ark for the last time the same day that the flood started.

Choose Wisely said in post 38:

Genesis 7
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort

Genesis 7:13-14 means that the same day that the flood started (Genesis 7:11), Noah and his family entered the ark for the last time, and all the animals had finished being loaded onto the ark.

Choose Wisely said in post 38:

You are in confusion regarding the rapture, the wrath of God and the second coming. Until you line up the sun, moon and stars event of Matt 24 and Revelation 6 you will stay that way.

Revelation 6:12-13 and Matthew 24:29-31 are two different sets of events. For Revelation 6:12-13 will occur during only the first stage of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, whereas Matthew 24:29-31 (like Revelation 19:7-21, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, and 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17) will occur immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29). Also, when Revelation 6:12-13 occurs, the moon's light will appear blood-red, whereas when Matthew 24:29 occurs, the moon's light won't be seen at all. There will also be one point between the time of Revelation 6:12-13 and the time of Matthew 24:29 when the moon's light temporarily won't be seen at all, during 1/3 of the night (Revelation 8:12).

Also, the sun temporarily appearing to be darkened in Revelation 6:12-13 will be only the first time during the tribulation that something like that will happen. For it will happen again during the 4th trumpet (part of the tribulation's 2nd stage), for 1/3 of the day (Revelation 8:12), and then again during the 5th trumpet (Revelation 9:2), and then again during the 5th vial (Revelation 16:10), part of the tribulation's 4th and final stage, the 3rd stage being the literal 3.5-year time period of the Antichrist's worldwide reign (which time period is shown from 4 different angles in Revelation chapters 11 to 14). Also, what will appear like "stars" falling from the sky in Revelation 6:12-13 will be only the first time during the tribulation that something like that will happen. For subsequently, during the 3rd trumpet, what will appear like a star will fall from the sky (Revelation 8:10-11), and then again during the 5th trumpet (Revelation 9:1). And then again, mid-tribulation, what will appear like stars will descend from the sky (Revelation 12:4).

Revelation chapters 6 to 22 are chronological, insofar as the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 will begin with the events of the 2nd through 6th seals, occurring in the order shown in Revelation 6:3-14. After the events of the 6th seal, Revelation 7 will occur. Then the 7th seal will be unsealed and out of it will come the tribulation's 7 trumpets (Revelation 8:1-6). Then the events of the first 6 trumpets in Revelation 8:7 to Revelation 9:21 will occur in the order shown there. Then Revelation 10 will occur. Then the literal 3.5 years of the Antichrist's worldwide reign will occur, which time period is shown from 4 different angles in Revelation chapters 11 to 14 (Revelation 11:2b-3, Revelation 12:6,14, Revelation 13:5,7, Revelation 14:9-13).

Then the 7th trumpet will sound, announcing the legal end of the Antichrist's reign (Revelation 11:15). Out of the 7th trumpet's heavenly-temple opening will come the 7 plagues of the 7 vials (Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1), the tribulation's final stage. Then the events of the 7 vials will occur in the order shown in Revelation 16. Jesus will return right after the 7th vial (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2-21), and he will marry the church at that time (Revelation 19:7). Then he will defeat the world's armies (Revelation 19:11 to 20:3) and reign on the earth with the bodily resurrected or changed church for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). Then the events of Revelation 20:7 to Revelation 22:5 will occur in the order shown there.