SSPX

[Tallguy88]

so in which forum could they promote SSPX specific beliefs?
Surely if the site provides the "Whosoever Will" forum, as well as other Congregational forums for those who are in historical and open opposition to the Catholic Church, then logically there should be a place for a SSPX point of view?

Denomination-Specific Theology is probably the best place for now. If there were enough of them on this site, they could ask the higher ups to create a specific area for them. As it stands, I don't think we've ever had more than one SSPX person at once, and none in a long time.

 

[Tallguy88]

So this seems like the appropriate place. Any explanation why the SSPX never created an AntiPope to challenge the Vaticn II Popes legitimacy?

They say they still believe the Pope is the Pope, just that he is wrong about certain things.

 

[pdudgeon]

Denomination-Specific Theology is probably the best place for now. If there were enough of them on this site, they could ask the higher ups to create a specific area for them. As it stands, I don't think we've ever had more than one SSPX person at once, and none in a long time.

you know what? If the founder of Cf had used that same logic CF itself would not exist.

 

[Tallguy88]

The decision to make new forums occurs higher up the ladder than me. You are welcome to take your concerns to the Member Services Center. If enough people are interested, they might make one.

 

[Colin]

Generally, among the Catholic laity, what is the view of the SSPX? Are they even aware of the organization, if so do they really care it exists?

The Catholics I know wouldn't have a clue about what SSPX is .

 

[isshinwhat]

Their poster-boy bishop is a holocaust denier, so it ought not surprise anyone that there are some extreme views present

Let's be fair. Far from being a poster-boy for the SSPX, Williamson was expelled three years ago.

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2012/10/sspx-formally-expelled-bp-williamson/

 

[WarriorAngel]

SSPX people can post here, but they can't promote SSPX-specific beliefs. That rule has been in place for a long time. You can ask David, he'll tell you.

True.
They cant promote it - and have to avoid denying the Pope's rulings etc in and after Vat ll and henceforth.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Some close aquaintances here [i had] were SSPX sympathizers and or SSPX closet followers.
They were able to sympathize with the SSPX - but couldnt argue against the Pope's.

Irony to me - is they believe they are orthodox [more Catholic than the Pope - har har ]
And yet the whole following have breached the very law of Christ on the vicar of the church.
And i wonder - who is their Pope?
Ya have to have the authentic chair of Peter or it's playing church, if ya ask me. But they are in a place being unable to move forward without his chair.

Ok, off my soap box.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Funnily enough, I haven't kept copies of the local paper they published their rants in.

Does "they" represent the official stand of the SSPX or only the personal opinion of someone who happens to be a member? There is a big difference between the two. If it is the official position of the SSPX you would not have to search for an obscure local newspaper commentary to find it.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Some close aquaintances here [i had] were SSPX sympathizers and or SSPX closet followers.
They were able to sympathize with the SSPX - but couldnt argue against the Pope's.

Irony to me - is they believe they are orthodox [more Catholic than the Pope - har har ]
And yet the whole following have breached the very law of Christ on the vicar of the church.
And i wonder - who is their Pope?
Ya have to have the authentic chair of Peter or it's playing church, if ya ask me. But they are in a place being unable to move forward without his chair.

Ok, off my soap box.

They mistakenly believe that Vatican II was a heretical document because of the heterodox Catholics who say things like, "The Church needs to move beyond Jesus and get with the times, with the spirit of Vatican II." Not all Catholics say this, but many do, especially in the West. But anyone who has actually read Vatican II knows that "the spirit of Vatican II" has almost nothing to do with what's actually written in Vatican II.

 

[Colin]

But anyone who has actually read Vatican II knows that "the spirit of Vatican II" has almost nothing to do with what's actually written in Vatican II.

In 1967 Blessed Pope Paul VI said in a sermon to the Catholics of Istanbul , " The recent Vatican Council reminded us that this progress is based first of all on the renovation of the Church and on the conversion of the heart. This means that you will contribute to this progress toward unity in the measure in which you enter into the spirit of the council."

I'm all for the spirit of the Second Council of the Vatican .

 

[ebia]

Does "they" represent the official stand of the SSPX or only the personal opinion of someone who happens to be a member? There is a big difference between the two. If it is the official position of the SSPX you would not have to search for an obscure local newspaper commentary to find it.

The opinion of the parish in question.

 

[IHOM]

I have never had much to do with the sppx and i know very little about them. But i know some call the schismatic but i have heard others say that they are catholic but in imperfect communion with the church.... any clarification on this?

While i vatican 2 was not inteneded to be infallible i think pope benedict refered to it as a pastoral council. I too believe vatican 2 was required and part of Gods plan

 

[LivingWordUnity]

In 1967 Blessed Pope Paul VI said in a sermon to the Catholics of Istanbul , " The recent Vatican Council reminded us that this progress is based first of all on the renovation of the Church and on the conversion of the heart. This means that you will contribute to this progress toward unity in the measure in which you enter into the spirit of the council."

I'm all for the spirit of the Second Council of the Vatican.

Where exactly does that quote come from? Did you find it on the Vatican's website? And please address what I said about the common usage of the term "spirit of Vatican II." Also, in this Pope Paul VI CDF document (here) the Vatican lamented how people were misinterpreting and abusing Vatican II. So if Pope Paul VI did mention "the spirit of the council" it was not in the same way that it has come to be understood (misunderstood) in popular usage.

 

[ebia]

Thirdly, in this Pope Paul VI CDF document (here) the Vatican lamented how people were misinterpreting and abusing Vatican II.

Seems quite specific in what it addresses.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Seems quite specific in what it addresses.

It shows that the Vatican recognized right away a problem that arose from people misinterpreting and abusing Vatican II.

 

[ebia]

It shows that the Vatican recognized right away a problem that arose from people misinterpreting and abusing Vatican II.

But its a long way from suggesting that everyone accused of misinterpreting and abusing VII is actually doing so.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

But its a long way from suggesting that everyone accused of misinterpreting and abusing VII is actually doing so.

I never said that everyone has misinterpreted Vatican II.

 

[ebia]

I never said that everyone has misinterpreted Vatican II.

And I didn't say you had.

I said "but its a long way from suggesting that everyone [who is] accused of misinterpreting and abusing VII is actually doing so".

 

[LivingWordUnity]

And I didn't say you had.

I said "but its a long way from suggesting that everyone [who is] accused of misinterpreting and abusing VII is actually doing so".

Okay, so it was unrelated to what I said.