No One Man Pastor ministry over all

[LoveofTruth]

all believers are a spiritual priesthood as Peter said and there is no one man above the rest as a priest

also read 1 Cor 14:26-38 and 1 Peter 4:10,11, and Romans 12, and 1 Cor 12

to see the commands for body ministry that is quenched in many assemblies today

 

[LoveofTruth]

I don't know why the conversion of a pagan temple to a Christian church would be considered unbiblical. Isn't the church all about converting pagans?

a pagan temple to a christian church???

the church is not a pagan temple by any means, or a religious building

"And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,23 Which is his body," Ephesians 1:22,23

 

[Open Heart]

wrong, show me that in scripture?

1 Tim 4:14 Do not neglect the spiritual gift within you, which was bestowed on you through prophetic utterance with the laying on of hands by the presbytery.

This refers to Timothy's ordination.

Here is an account of ordination from Acts 6 (including Stephen):

So the Twelve gathered all the disciples together and said, "It would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the word of God in order to wait on tables. Brothers and sisters, choose seven men from among you who are known to be full of the Spirit and wisdom. We will turn this responsibility over to them and will give our attention to prayer and the ministry of the word." This proposal pleased the whole group. They chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit; also Philip, Procorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolas from Antioch, a convert to Judaism. They presented these men to the apostles, who prayed and laid their hands on them.

 

[Open Heart]

“and breaking bread from house to house,” ( Acts 2;46)

“ As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison. “ (Acts 8:3) Paul knew where to find them.

Again, you quote a bunch of verses irrelevant to any reply. I stop reading your post as soon as I get a whiff of your non sequiturs.

 

[Open Heart]

a pagan temple to a christian church???

Yes. CONVERTED. that means changed from one to another. It doesn't mean adding one to another. Conversion is a good thing.

 

[LoveofTruth]

1 Tim 4:14 Do not neglect the spiritual gift within you, which was bestowed on you through prophetic utterance with the laying on of hands by the presbytery.

This refers to Timothy's ordination.

Here is an account of ordination from Acts 6 (including Stephen):

So the Twelve gathered all the disciples together and said, "It would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the word of God in order to wait on tables. Brothers and sisters, choose seven men from among you who are known to be full of the Spirit and wisdom. We will turn this responsibility over to them and will give our attention to prayer and the ministry of the word." This proposal pleased the whole group. They chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit; also Philip, Procorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolas from Antioch, a convert to Judaism. They presented these men to the apostles, who prayed and laid their hands on them.

no, Timothy had a spiritual gift given through laying on of hands, and i do believe in ordaining elders. This ordaining simply means recognizing them. These are older brothers who are skilliful in the word of righteousness and who watch over others and help to exhort about Gods order and who can convince the gainsayers by sound doctrine. We see other men who were called to the work such as Barnabas who in a meeting the Holy Ghost said to separate Paul and Barnabas for the work he sent them. This made barnabas an apostle as we read in Acts 14.

Timothy was an apostle by the way, NOT a PASTOR or local elder. This is clearly seen in scripture if we study the word and rightly divide it.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Yes. CONVERTED. that means changed from one to another. It doesn't mean adding one to another. Conversion is a good thing.

no a pagan temple has nothing to do with the living body of Christ the church.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Again, you quote a bunch of verses irrelevant to any reply. I stop reading your post as soon as I get a whiff of your non sequiturs.

these verses rebuke the large so called unbiblical places many meet in today called "Churches"

 

[Albion]

no, Timothy had a spiritual gift given through laying on of hands, and i do believe in ordaining elders.

I've met others who also make that mistake, so this isn't too surprising to read.

Timothy was an apostle by the way, NOT a PASTOR or local elder.

Timothy was not an Apostle in the sense of being one of the Twelve, and there is no indication anywhere else in Scripture that he was made a bishop -- the other common use of the word.

 

[Open Heart]

also you mention clergymen, and laypersons. This clergy and laity division is nowhere found in scripture.

Sure it is. The ordained and non-ordained. As in Acts 6, the ordained are given teaching authority--just seven of them, not all.

 

[Open Heart]

these verses rebuke the large so called unbiblical places many meet in today called "Churches"

Stay on topic. If you quote a reply, then answer that reply. Don't go off on some other subject.

 

[LoveofTruth]

I've met others who also make that mistake, so this isn't too surprising to read.

Timothy was not an Apostle in the sense of being one of the Twelve, and there is no indication anywhere else in Scripture that he was made a bishop -- the other common use of the word.

Timothy and I believe Titus also were apostle workers sent to set in order things in the churches. This order was how they ought to behave themselves in the gathering of the saints ( the church)

here we see that Timothy was an apostle

"Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians...[URL='http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Thessalonians-2-6/']Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome, as the apostles of Christ." 1 Thessalonians 1:1, and 2:6[/URL]

Paul Silvanus and Timotheous were apostles, and so was Barnabas

"Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes," Acts 14:14

these apostles were in a different ministry than the 12 and the one called after Christ death. The original ones had to see the life of jesus from John till his death as Acts speaks of. But the apostles after Christ rose have a specific ministry as we read,

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Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:" Ephesians 4:8-14)



13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

 

[Open Heart]

no the church is the body of Christ not a man made building. The church is made a spiritual house of living stones

Words have multiple definitions. That's why when you look in a dictionary it numbers them 1 2 3... Church has several meanings. It can mean the body of all believers. It can mean the institutional churches that the apostles set up or the church as a whole. And yes, it can mean a building. So please don't play semantical games with me.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Sure it is. The ordained and non-ordained. As in Acts 6, the ordained are given teaching authority--just seven of them, not all.

there is no teaching authority...authority is when they speak the word of God and their example of their faith in their walk. Authority is a whole different post. I may have to post a study on the true and false authority today in the church

 

[Open Heart]

I was showing you the biblical model of meeting in homes as the church should do today

A new church with a small group of people can do that. But when you have 4000 families like my church, you had better have something bigger than a house for us to meet in.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Words have multiple definitions. That's why when you look in a dictionary it numbers them 1 2 3... Church has several meanings. It can mean the body of all believers. It can mean the institutional churches that the apostles set up or the church as a whole. And yes, it can mean a building. So please don't play semantical games with me.

no the word church in the bible is the body of Christ and the house of God which house ar we made up of living stones. This is very basic in scripture.

"And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,23 Which is his body,"

1 Timothy 3:15
"But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth"
1 Peter 2:5
"Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ"
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we," Hebrews 3:6

And Paul never set up institutional churches. This is false. Christ builds his church and he build the church from WITHIN believers. All believers are to edify ( or build uop as a house builder one another Ephesians 4:15,16 1 Cor 14:26-the end)

 

[Open Heart]

This ordaining simply means recognizing them.

No it doesn't. The laying on of hands indicates the giving of a special grace, such as the grace of healing in the annointing of the sick, or the baptism of the holy spirit.

 

[LoveofTruth]

A new church with a small group of people can do that. But when you have 4000 families like my church, you had better have something bigger than a house for us to meet in.

No you have a few apostolic workers help to set in order the 400 people into their homes and have many churches in the house. This order was Gods plan all along. Not to meet in a large building and look at the back of someones head and have no ministry for all. If the body cannot use their gifts and edify eachother and have a meal together and fellowship. Then the religious structure has to go for it hinder and quenches the Spirit and the very function of the church is affected

 

[Open Heart]

Timothy was an apostle by the way, NOT a PASTOR or local elder. This is clearly seen in scripture if we study the word and rightly divide it.

Good heavens! Timothy was not an apostle.

 

[LoveofTruth]

No it doesn't. The laying on of hands indicates the giving of a special grace, such as the grace of healing in the annointing of the sick, or the baptism of the holy spirit.

No it means in the Greek to designate or appoint. This would be when they recognized Gods gift in them and the consistant ministry of the word and their example as well.