If you've been following this thread, you should know from Post 214 that Pharaoh did not plan to let them go.Oh my, you don't understand what either others believe or you believe about the Exodus myth. Perhaps you should try to get your "facts" straight first.
If you've been following this thread, you should know from Post 214 that Pharaoh did not plan to let them go.
In fact, he was committing gradual genocide on them.
The best way to explain "hardening the heart" is to picture a wet sponge.
The sponge represents the heart, and the water the intents of the heart.
"Hardening the heart" is like wringing out the sponge and forcing the person to display his intent.
Had God not done His part in hardening Pharaoh's heart, the Jews wouldn't exist today.
Exodus 1:15 And the king of Egypt spake to the Hebrew midwives, of which the name of the one was Shiphrah, and the name of the other Puah:Where did you get that part of your story from?
Glad you like it.Subduction Zone said:No, sorry, that is a ridiculous wrong and self serving interpretation,
Playing your trump card, are you?Subduction Zone said:you keep forgetting that the Exodus was mythical.
Exodus 1:15 And the king of Egypt spake to the Hebrew midwives, of which the name of the one was Shiphrah, and the name of the other Puah:
Exodus 1:16 And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them upon the stools; if it be a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it be a daughter, then she shall live.Glad you like it.
Playing your trump card, are you?
Incorrect. There were not 2 million Hebrews in Egypt. There may have been a small tribe.
When you don't understand the proper thing to do is to ask questions politely. It is fairly clear that the whole Moses story is a myth. There may have been a leader that led that tribe out of Egypt, there is no real way to tell.
But that is the claim in the Bible, more than once your God supposedly hardened Pharaoh's heart, making God the villain in your story.
Correct. Only about 5550 warriors plus women,
children, Levites and a mixed multitude. Possibly
12,000 to 40,000 at most. The difference is from
translating a word meaning either thousand or
family or household. The mighty nation Egypt
most likely had no more than 2 million population
total at that time, including foreigners.
The Red Sea crossing has been found, complete
with columns posted by Solomon on both sides,
one of which can be seen on Google earth. The
remains of both chariots and horses are at the
bottom of the sea on both sides. Mount Sinai
still has the remains of altars, sacrificial pens,
and even the rock from which flowed water to
drink for the group.
Not the villain. God is our creator, and if he
decided to make Pharaoh an example for all
times, that was his prerogative.
The Bible is true and there is evidence to prove it??? if there is so much evidence how come only Christians know about it and believe it? evidence is evidence and if it's true it can not be disputed, which tells people that the lies being told are only for the consumption of those who already believe, those who have already been duped.The Red Sea crossing has been found, complete
with columns posted by Solomon on both sides,
one of which can be seen on Google earth. The
remains of both chariots and horses are at the
bottom of the sea on both sides. Mount Sinai
still has the remains of altars, sacrificial pens,
and even the rock from which flowed water to
drink for the group.
The Bible is true and there is evidence to prove it??? if there is so much evidence how come only Christians know about it and believe it? evidence is evidence and if it's true it can not be disputed, which tells people that the lies being told are only for the consumption of those who already believe, those who have already been duped.
Actually we advertise it:The Bible is true and there is evidence to prove it??? if there is so much evidence how come only Christians know about it and believe it?
Actually we advertise it:
Read the Bible, your numbers are wrong:
I read what you said, you did not read the Bible. It said there were 600,000 adult males. Everyone knows that in reality the numbers in Exodus are ridiculous, but then to believe the Exodus myth one must believe the ridiculous. But I am glad to see that you are willing not to take the Bible literally.Congrats. 3 for 3 in a single post showing you
didn't bother to read what I said, much less in
depth. Try again when you are willing to do so.
You can begin here:
https://creationconcept.wordpress.com/2012/01/10/israels-population-at-the-exodus/
I read what you said, you did not read the Bible. It said there were 600,000 adult males. Everyone knows that in reality the numbers in Exodus are ridiculous, but then to believe the Exodus myth one must believe the ridiculous. But I am glad to see that you are willing not to take the Bible literally.
And please, don't forget you are the creationist, that would mean that if anyone was to not understand something it would not be me. When one forces oneself to believe a myth ones understanding tends to falter.
I believe what was written. In the original language.
The English is probably 99% reliable, but a translation
is never exactly the same as the original.
As I said in the first post on this, eleph can mean 1000
or family. If you read the census of families in Numbers
1:2-3, it tells how the census is to be taken.
1. by tribe
2. by house, or family
3. all those males able to go to war
So, in verse 21, it lists:
1. Tribe of Reuben
2. 46 families or households (not thousands)
3. 500 men able to go to war
and so on.
Don't forget that all scripture must agree. Israel was
not a large group until long after that time.
Deuteronomy 7:7
7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
History on the size of armies in the ancient world.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/gabrmetz/gabr0009.htm
Nah, I've analyzed fictional characters in many works. It's a really common literature exercise in school to do that. The Great Gatsby in particular comes to mind. But, on a creationism vs evolution thread on a website that is predominantly Christian, it makes a lot more sense to be evaluating biblical characters than it does to evaluate characters in pretty much any other text.If that's how you scientific methodists get your kicks, knock yourselves out.
How about analyzing Humpty Dumpty for me, while you're at it?
Or does it just by *cough * coincidence happen to be Bible characters?
Do you have any valid links that support your claim? The fact that multiple Bible translations seem to disagree with you indicates that you are in error. And yes, if we look a the real world we know how big those countries were at that time. That does not really help your argument.
By the way, you never admitted your error in linking a site that used the work of well known fraud, i.e. Ron Wyatt. Do you realize that was a mistake I have yet to see you own up to.
Um, did you read your second source? Because it briefly mentions the problems with various biblical interpretations of the number of Hebrews, and uses no sources for those numbers mentioned in the bible other than the bible itself.Ron Wyatt first. Nothing he ever claimed was
proven wrong. As for Sinai and the Red Sea, both
were verified by later people. The videos are on
Youtube and elsewhere.
http://www.realdiscoveries.info/Is-Ron-Wyatt-a-Liar.php
As to Israel and the census. The relevant part of the following
begins about halfway down the page:
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/articles_exodus.html
There are more, but if some people are happy thinking
there were 2-3 million people where there could only
have been a few tens of thousands, you won't change
their minds.
Personally, I just attribute the numbers stated in the bible to human tendencies of exaggeration, and some of the contradictions to accidental additions or losses of zeros or other numbers that could logically be accidentally placed in context (like using 22 instead of 2)