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Arab what?
Arab phone ... Chinese whispers ... Telephone game ... Grapevine.

Call it what you want, you deleted a very important word out of the passage.
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You make no sense.
A little education can cure that.
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But that seems to be your usual approach.
I'd rather have that approach, than to stoop to Arab phoning quotes to my advantage.
 
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Arab phone ... Chinese whispers ... Telephone game ... Grapevine.

Call it what you want, you deleted a very important word out of the passage.A little education can cure that.I'd rather have that approach, than to stoop to Arab phoning quotes to my advantage.

Oh, 'stooping'?

Tell me, was it just an oversight on your part that you were talking about a completely different pharaoh in Exodus 1??
 
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Oh, 'stooping'?

Tell me, was it just an oversight on your part that you were talking about a completely different pharaoh in Exodus 1??
Exodus 1:8 Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph.

I get a chuckle of the atheists' version of the Exodus:

First, there were no Jews in Egypt.

Then a man who never existed shows up and says, "Let my people go."

And Pharaoh says, "Sure thing. I hope you all enjoyed your stay here."

Then suddenly Pharaoh goes, "Oops! Hold up! I'm getting orders from your Supreme Commander! No, I'm not allowed to let you guys go!"

And the rest, as they say, is history.
 
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Exodus 1:8 Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph.

I get a chuckle of the atheists' version of the Exodus:

First, there were no Jews in Egypt.

Then a man who never existed shows up and says, "Let my people go."

And Pharaoh says, "Sure thing. I hope you all enjoyed your stay here."

Then suddenly Pharaoh goes, "Oops! Hold up! I'm getting orders from your Supreme Commander! No, I'm not allowed to let you guys go!"

And the rest, as they say, is history.

Even though the story is a fiction, can we still not analyse its characters?
 
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Even though the story is a fiction, can we still not analyse its characters?
If that's how you scientific methodists get your kicks, knock yourselves out.

How about analyzing Humpty Dumpty for me, while you're at it?

Or does it just by *cough * coincidence happen to be Bible characters?
 
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We want to thank you because the more you persecute the church the greater our reward will be.
If it's not too much trouble could you please tell me how you think the people who wrote Matthew, Mark, Luke and John got their information about what Jesus said and did? also how long after Jesus died were those books written?
 
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If it's not too much trouble could you please tell me how you think the people who wrote Matthew, Mark, Luke and John got their information about what Jesus said and did? also how long after Jesus died were those books written?
The earliest Christian documents in circulation (besides Paul's letters) were what were called Testimonies, lists of OT prophesies supposedly fulfilled by Jesus. Such lists were in existence already, as it was an age of messianic expectation, and it was easy for early Christians to adapt them to their messianic claims for Jesus. These Testimonies (some of which have survived) were used for preaching and instruction at time close to the events they described in a society that was intimately familiar with the Hebrew scriptures. It was not until Christianity began to spread to the Gentiles and living memory began to fade that connected narratives of the life of Jesus became necessary. Of course, the lists were not identical and the events not ordered in the same way. When the Gospels were written based on the various Testimonies Mark used Peter's, whoever wrote the Gospel of Matthew used Matthew's and Luke (who was an educated Greek and thus taught not to let facts stand too much in the way of a good story when writing history) used whatever he could get his hands on--thus giving rise to what is called the "synoptic problem". John, of course, had an entirely different literary agenda, but all four were probably written between the year 70 and the end of the century.
 
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If that's how you scientific methodists get your kicks, knock yourselves out.

How about analyzing Humpty Dumpty for me, while you're at it?

Or does it just by *cough * coincidence happen to be Bible characters?

When people start using the Humpty myth to attempt to change my world, I may do that.
 
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When people start using the Humpty myth to attempt to change my world, I may do that.
What's wrong?

Afraid someone's gonna spread "love thine enemies" around?
 
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What's wrong?

Afraid someone's gonna spread "love thine enemies" around?
No, that someone's going to require belief that the Earth was created in 4004 BC as a prerequisite for spreading "love thine enemies" around.
 
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No, that someone's going to require belief that the Earth was created in 4004 BC as a prerequisite for spreading "love thine enemies" around.
And that will do what, exactly? start WW3?
 
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No, it's just an unwarranted and unnecessary obstacle to the Great Commission.
"Love thine enemies" is an unwarranted and unnecessary obstacle to the Great Commission!?

What's being commissioned? Christianity or Islam?
 
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"Love thine enemies" is an unwarranted and unnecessary obstacle to the Great Commission!?
No, fostering YECism is an unwarranted and unnecessary obstacle to the Great Commission.

What's being commissioned? Christianity or Islam?
Go read your Bible--Matt 28:19
 
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Go read your Bible--Matt 28:19
Yes I'm familiar with the Great Commission.

It starts out ...

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

It does not start out ...

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations the earth was created in 4004 BC.
 
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Yes I'm familiar with the Great Commission.

It starts out ...

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

It does not start out ...

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations the earth was created in 4004 BC.
Then what are you doing here?
 
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Then what are you doing here?
There are some who believe someone's going to require belief that the earth was created in 4004 BC as a prerequsite for spread "love thine enemies" around.

I'm here to correct that.
 
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There are some who believe someone's going to require belief that the earth was created in 4004 BC as a prerequsite for spread "love thine enemies" around.

I'm here to correct that.
You're not doing a very good job. In fact, you seem to be doing just the opposite.
 
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Exodus 1:8 Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph.

I get a chuckle of the atheists' version of the Exodus:

First, there were no Jews in Egypt.

Incorrect. There were not 2 million Hebrews in Egypt. There may have been a small tribe.

Then a man who never existed shows up and says, "Let my people go."

When you don't understand the proper thing to do is to ask questions politely. It is fairly clear that the whole Moses story is a myth. There may have been a leader that led that tribe out of Egypt, there is no real way to tell.

And Pharaoh says, "Sure thing. I hope you all enjoyed your stay here."

Then suddenly Pharaoh goes, "Oops! Hold up! I'm getting orders from your Supreme Commander! No, I'm not allowed to let you guys go!"

But that is the claim in the Bible, more than once your God supposedly hardened Pharaoh's heart, making God the villain in your story.

And the rest, as they say, is history.

Oh my, you don't understand what either others believe or you believe about the Exodus myth. Perhaps you should try to get your "facts" straight first.
 
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