My Evolution Challenge

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Let's stay focused, shall we?

I am.

As you say, evolution requires deep time and death. Two things you say God did not have (I know He technically didn't but I was stuck on what word to use) and something that only God can stop.

Yet, if we go by God's own creation in the Earth, we see mass evidence of both. So, therefore, God used evolution in His creation. Yet you and others say that He couldn't/wouldn't/can't.

 

[AV1611VET]

So, if God creates the world, then He cannot lie through His creation.

And, of course, if there's an explanation for it, you'd call it "claptrap," wouldn't you?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

And, of course, if there's an explanation for it, you'd call it "claptrap," wouldn't you?

No, just what you say.

 

[AV1611VET]

I am.

As you say, evolution requires deep time and death. Two things you say God did not have (I know He technically didn't but I was stuck on what word to use) and something that only God can stop.

Yet, if we go by God's own creation in the Earth, we see mass evidence of both. So, therefore, God used evolution in His creation. Yet you and others say that He couldn't/wouldn't/can't.

You just want me to explain all this, so you can call it "claptrap" and make yourself look scholarly, don't you?

I'll bet deans everywhere are proud of you.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, just what you say.

Thanks for the QED.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Thanks for the QED.

I've never been shy admitting that I find your stuff horribly extra-Biblical and nonsensical.

 

[AV1611VET]

I've never been shy admitting that I find your stuff horribly extra-Biblical and nonsensical.

Well, at least you're getting what you wanted, aren't you?

That's why you started this thread, isn't it?

To mock and ridicule our beliefs?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Well, at least you're getting what you wanted, aren't you?

That's why you started this thread, isn't it?

To mock and ridicule our beliefs?

No, of course not.

You, as in just you yourself, bring that onto yourself.

 

[honey badger]

In college cliché, or in the Bible?

In the Bible, God created the universe in six literal days.

yom is a word that also means a period of time ... understanding at the time of writing Hebrew had only 8000 words ...

 

[Mountainmike]

You're arguing unnecessary semantics.

The argument on consciousness isn’t semantics. The soul. There’s no evolutionary process for it.

Whether evolution was guided or a series of chemical accidents is profound,

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The argument on consciousness isn’t semantics. The soul. There’s no evolutionary process for it.

So it doesn't factor into the question. The topic isn't about the soul.

 

[honey badger]

The argument on consciousness isn’t semantics. The soul. There’s no evolutionary process for it.

Whether evolution was guided or a series of chemical accidents is profound,

none the less our soul is in a process ... of which the creation plays its part ...

 

[Mountainmike]

So it doesn't factor into the question. The topic isn't about the soul.

You said “ lifeforms” , questioning the origin of life forms begs the question of what is life Anyway?

You describe and experience life through consciousness .

The part of you that says “I am “ and then questions “ what am I “ and “ where did I come from”.

How can you exclude that part that says “ I am “ from the question” Where did I come from?”
not picking nits , it’s the biggest question there is. The chemistry is only a bit part,

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You said “ lifeforms” , questioning the origin begs the question of what is life.
You describe and experience life through consciousness .
The part of you that says I am “ and then questions “ where did I come from”.
How can you exclude that part that says “ I am “ from the question Where did I come from?

None of that is what I said in the OP. What you're saying has to be from a completely different thread.

Since you seem horribly confused, possibly by your own actions, I'll copy and paste what I wrote for you to see:

Why is it not possible for God to have used evolution to create the different lifeforms that we see in the world today and what wee have seen in the past and fossils of?

In fact, I'll quote myself, just to make it extra clear:

Why is it not possible for God to have used evolution to create the different lifeforms that we see in the world today and what wee have seen in the past and fossils of?

 

[AV1611VET]

yom is a word that also means a period of time ...

So is "hex hemera" in the New Testament.

Luke 13:14 And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day.

What's your point?

understanding at the time of writing Hebrew had only 8000 words ...

Where the Hebrew disagrees with the King James, the Hebrew is wrong.

 

[honey badger]

So is "hex hemera" in the New Testament.

Luke 13:14 And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day.

What's your point?



Where the Hebrew disagrees with the King James, the Hebrew is wrong.

how can Hebrew disagree !

my point is simple ... the word yom is not restricted to one view ...

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

how can Hebrew disagree !

my point is simple ... the word yom is not restricted to one view ...

AV believes that, up until the Tower of Babel, everyone in the world from Adam to Noah to Shem and everyone else, spoke Jacobean English. Hebrew came after that.

 

[AV1611VET]

my point is simple ... the word yom is not restricted to one view ...

Even if I believed the Hebrew over the English, why would I pick anything other than a 24-hour period?

Let's say ... for the sake of arguing ... those "yoms" are 2 billion years each.

Are you telling me angiosperms, created on Yom Three, existed for 2 billion years, until the sun was created on Yom Four?

 

[honey badger]

Even if I believed the Hebrew over the English, why would I pick anything other than a 24-hour period?

Let's say ... for the sake of arguing ... those "yoms" are 2 billion years each.

Are you telling me angiosperms, created on Yom Three, existed for 2 billion years, until the sun was created on Yom Four?

why restrict the word yom to 24 hours when this same word is also used for 12 hours ....

God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.”

 

[AV1611VET]

AV believes that, up until the Tower of Babel, everyone in the world from Adam to Noah to Shem and everyone else, spoke Jacobean English. Hebrew came after that.

For the record, I'm up in the air about that now.

My pastor says even they didn't speak the language of the King James Bible back then.

Thus making the King James' language a Heavenly language.