Mayorkas tells Border Patrol agents that ‘above 85%’ of illegal immigrants released into US: sources

[Belk]

The false premise that rigorous vetting and screening was not happening during the Obama administration was a false narrative creating a false reality.

Yes, I am aware.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I'm off topic but thank you for this. We need better oversight of our corporations. From wiki United Fruit:

"In March 2007 Chiquita Brands pleaded guilty in a United States Federal court to aiding and abetting a terrorist organization, when it admitted to the payment of more than $1.7 million to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC), a group that the United States has labeled a terrorist organization since 2001. Under a plea agreement, Chiquita Brands agreed to pay $25 million in restitution and damages to the families of victims of the AUC. The AUC had been paid to protect the company's interest in the region.[49]

In addition to monetary payments, Chiquita has also been accused of smuggling weapons (3,000 AK-47s) to the AUC and in assisting the AUC in smuggling drugs to Europe.[50] Chiquita Brands admitted that they paid AUC operatives to silence union organizers and intimidate farmers into selling only to Chiquita. In the plea agreement, the Colombian government let Chiquita Brands keep the names of U.S. Citizens who brokered this agreement with the AUC secret, in exchange for relief to 390 families.

Yikes! You'd think with a record like theirs (being the banana, in banana republic) they'd be a bit more cautious about such things. (Just like Ford or IBM being cautious about new ties to Nazis).

 

[Hans Blaster]

The constitution. They just decided he he was guilty of insurrection, despite being aquitted. This same thing is going to happen with asylum cases, and liberals are going to defend it, just like the Colorado decision is.

Oh not this again. Nothing in the 14th amendment states *how* it should be determined that someone insurrected after previously pledging to support the Constitution, just as Article II doesn't specify how to determine if a candidate has met the age, residency, and native birth requirements. I don't know how this all works out, but the notion that Colorado (or some other state) *can't* consider this is not tenable.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I'm not referring to same kind of Iraq-style nation building in this instance.

Ok.

I'm referring to some of the economic damage the US had a direct hand in, in the region, in the 70's and 80's and set off some pretty negative trajectories.
(for instance, helping sponsor coups to get US-friendly puppet leaders installed so our private corporations could exploit the region and allowed corporate raiders to take control of a lot of their resources)
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If you look at a history of the company called "United Fruit", that highlights the pattern that was used.

At one point, we were installing leaders who sold some of those countries' public utilities and their postal services to US private corps, and the we charged them a hefty mark-up.

You can imagine, if (hypothetically) Canada came in, used their intelligence agency to sponsor a coup against the guy we voted for, and their replacement sold our utility companies and post offices to private Canadian companies, and we started paying double & triple for all of those services, and allowed Canadian interests to buy up all of our companies and cut our salaries...

...and every time (for 2 decades) we'd try to vote someone else in who promised to put things back the way they were before, that person would die in a mysterious plane crash, or have a mysterious brake failure on their car, or fall victim to an "untimely" house fire...(and it came out that the aforementioned intelligence agency was linked to those happenings... we'd probably be demanding some sort of compensation or reparation for that.

You can skip the history lesson.

This isn't a plan. It's a history lesson.

I know what we did....right?

Just assume I know what we did.

The past relationships between the US and Central/South America is very different than what went on in the Middle East.

It's not all that different if you look at Turkey, Iran, Egypt....

There's a difference between fixing someone's house who burned it down themselves vs. helping to fix someone's house that was burned in a fire for which we supplied the matches and gasoline and provided trained the arsonist.

No...it doesn't appear to me there is.

If you can explain the plan to fix either I'm interested. If you think stories of days gone by will somehow make me sympathetic to the idea that hundreds of people dying face down in the sand, the rape of trafficking victims, and the total impoverishment of both them and our own poor is "reparations" you're wrong.

Got a plan?

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

They keep their head down and pay dem taxes and don’t make a peep?
What’s the “complaint”?

The complaint is not about the people. The complaint is about the massive influx into states that cannot accommodate millions of unvetted migrants. Try that in another country and see how fast you will be removed. There are channels. Migrants have to go through legal channels to gain admission - prior to Biden's abdication of his constitutional duty to protect the borders.

 

[wing2000]

Not shown on the map: Our sanctions on Venezuela that aren't making things better.

Instability in Venezuela has led to higher numbers of Venezuelans crossing our southern border over the last two years. Every day, Venezuelans (and others from all parts of the world, including Africa) are coming across the Darian Gap - an area between Panama and Colombia that was once deemed impassable. Once more, Venezeula has nearly the same population as the "Northern Triangle" countries of El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras - combined. IMO, insecurity in many parts of the world is leading to record numbers of immigrants...who are fleeing to Europe and increasingly our southern border. When other countries fail, it impacts us all.

 

[Pommer]

The complaint is not about the people. The complaint is about the massive influx into states that cannot accommodate millions of unvetted migrants. Try that in another country and see how fast you will be removed. There are channels. Migrants have to go through legal channels to gain admission - prior to Biden's abdication of his constitutional duty to protect the borders.

Yes, other countries don’t have a myriad of Byzantine rules and regulations but rather a comprehensive immigration policy.
Let us (develop the ability to produce such a piece of) legislative output that would allow us to know exactly whom would be acceptable as potential citizens?

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Yes, other countries don’t have a myriad of Byzantine rules and regulations but rather a comprehensive immigration policy.
Let us (develop the ability to produce such a piece of) legislative output that would allow us to know exactly whom would be acceptable as potential citizens?

It's been tried repeatedly. The House passed a bill in May of 2023, and the Democrats wouldn't even respond to it.

Biden could actually follow the laws in existence. But he has looked the other way and pretended this wasn't happening.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Not shown on the map: Our sanctions on Venezuela that aren't making things better.

I can go both ways on sanctions.

One one hand, it's a way of correcting bad behaviors or preventing situations where hostile regimes are just using the money from exports/imports to pad their own pockets.

On the other hand, it's a form of punitive meddling that can outlive its purpose (for instance, the embargos/sanctions we still have on Cuba, that's doing nothing more than punishing the people in that country, and the currently leader of Cuba was literally only 1 year old when the Bay of Pigs stuff was going on so it's not as if he had anything to do with it)

 

[iluvatar5150]

I can go both ways on sanctions.

One one hand, it's a way of correcting bad behaviors or preventing situations where hostile regimes are just using the money from exports/imports to pad their own pockets.

On the other hand, it's a form of punitive meddling that can outlive its purpose (for instance, the embargos/sanctions we still have on Cuba, that's doing nothing more than punishing the people in that country, and the currently leader of Cuba was literally only 1 year old when the Bay of Pigs stuff was going on so it's not as if he had anything to do with it)

Yeah, like any other form of punishment, it has to be clear and fairly-managed in order to be an effective corrective measure. If you just slap a bunch of punishments on a country without a clear way for them to get out from under them, you're not going to change anything.

 

[KCfromNC]

I am not sure how fringe it was. Seems more likely a goodly number supported it.

Maybe I should have said extremists instead, to better characterize where the center of the party has moved.

 

[rjs330]

Well, the wall is horrendously expensive. And it was touted as being a solution to drugs, but from what I gather the vast majority of the drugs come in via ports of entry.

It was a touted as a solution for a number of things. We will.sprmf an aweful lot of money on a lot of other things. I would think border security is worth it. But even the wall isn't the sole solution. By itself it won't answer all the problems. Nothing will. But it's a start.

Ripping kids away from parents, shipping them across the country and not then knowing how to ever return them to the parents is shocking stuff.
Partitioning in court to not have to provide soap or toothbrushes for people locked up in detention centres for multiple months is pretty inhumane.

No one is saying those are good things.

Trump's idea of shooting immigrants in the legs or putting crocodiles in moats are ridiculous. Putting razor wire in rivers is down right evil, and murderous. Get people caught up in wire while they are in water and causing them to drown. These people aren't deserving of death. They are desperate and trying to seek help.

I don't believe I ever mentioned that all of Trump's ideas are good ones. Quite frankly Biden hasn't come up with any workable solutions either.

Trump's characterisations of Mexicans being drug dealers or of Muslims as being terrorists is about racism.

I think that horse was beat long after it was dead. No sense in re-arguing it.

 

[rjs330]

long as 35-50% of the nation is dumb enough to let them stay...or worse, demand they be allowed to stay...speeding up the process does nothing.

That's incorrect. They just get to stay legally faster.

 

[rjs330]

They took that job in the lettuce field that I have been trying to get for years now.

I hate to say it but this is what I have been talking about. We've heard this trope for many years now. As if those brown people are only able to do those jobs. Or those are the only jobs they do. There are plenty of areas across the country where they aren't picking lettuce. The argument that that's all they do smacks a bit of leftist racism.

 

[rjs330]

They keep their head down and pay dem taxes and don’t make a peep?
What’s the “complaint”?

Man if you don't understand the problems now after all the discussions on them then I can't help you much.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I hate to say it but this is what I have been talking about. We've heard this trope for many years now. As if those brown people are only able to do those jobs. Or those are the only jobs they do. There are plenty of areas across the country where they aren't picking lettuce. The argument that that's all they do smacks a bit of leftist racism.

You are correct The undocumented Brown People known locally where I live in deep Republican RED Michigan as Mexicans but in actually are Guatemalans don't pick lettuce. They pick apples, onions, carrots, and butternut squash. 90% of this produce goes to Gerber Products, owned by Nestle and manufacturer of Gerber Baby Food. Nobody questions the small companies that "farm" out these undocumented workers to the local farms because they need the labor, as they say "those crops aren't going to pick themselves." Never really saw any of the local business hiring them, probably because there is some kind of verification process that has to be done where you have to prove citizenship. so, at least in Newaygo County Michigan, it isn't Soros Supporting Leftist Socialist Communists bringing these undocumented workers, it is Good Old White MAGA Trump loving Republicans bringing them every year to work on all the MAGA Trump Loving subsidy getting farmers fields.

 

[rjs330]

You are correct The undocumented Brown People known locally where I live in deep Republican RED Michigan as Mexicans but in actually are Guatemalans don't pick lettuce. They pick apples, onions, carrots, and butternut squash. 90% of this produce goes to Gerber Products, owned by Nestle and manufacturer of Gerber Baby Food. Nobody questions the small companies that "farm" out these undocumented workers to the local farms because they need the labor, as they say "those crops aren't going to pick themselves." Never really saw any of the local business hiring them, probably because there is some kind of verification process that has to be done where you have to prove citizenship. so, at least in Newaygo County Michigan, it isn't Soros Supporting Leftist Socialist Communists bringing these undocumented workers, it is Good Old White MAGA Trump loving Republicans bringing them every year to work on all the MAGA Trump Loving subsidy getting farmers fields.

Oh I know. That's all they can do. Not capable.of doing anything else. Yes it is those Soros supported leftist socialist letting all those illegal aliens into the country. They want them in by the droves. So they can spend everyone else's money on them so they can sell them in voting for the rest of the Democrat socialists as soon as they are able. That and they want those workers to pick all those products for those poor farmers who need all those subsidies.

 

[Pommer]

Oh I know. That's all they can do. Not capable.of doing anything else. Yes it is those Soros supported leftist socialist letting all those illegal aliens into the country. They want them in by the droves. So they can spend everyone else's money on them so they can sell them in voting for the rest of the Democrat socialists as soon as they are able. That and they want those workers to pick all those products for those poor farmers who need all those subsidies.

I hope never to become this cynical.

 

[rjs330]

I hope never to become this cynical.

Its a technic called using absurdity to point out absurdity.

 

[wing2000]

Oh I know. That's all they can do. Not capable.of doing anything else. Yes it is those Soros supported leftist socialist letting all those illegal aliens into the country. They want them in by the droves. So they can spend everyone else's money on them so they can sell them in voting for the rest of the Democrat socialists as soon as they are able. That and they want those workers to pick all those products for those poor farmers who need all those subsidies.

Who are these "Soros supported leftest socialist" who "want them in by the droves"?
Can you quote some of these individuals? Are they real?