There were those who Yeshua told dont think to say you are sons of Abraham but you are sons of your father the devil and sinful women he forgave and blessed
Paul spoke of those who preach a differant Yeshua a differant good news. Is it a surprise they claim a differant holy spirit...one that magifies themselves in god instead of magnifing YHWH.
This being the case we do not reject what is offered because some lie about it.
Of course some lie Rick, I am with you on that, but from what place does the Holy spirit spring from?
Before the Holy spirit was given, they also believed, and they certainly had some kind of spirit, but the Holy spirit given then, it was shared from hand to hand.
And whose hand has brought that same spirit here to us?
Who laid their hands on my head and shared such a spirit?
The spirit that was given to those first disciples has been seen where, when?
When has anyone walked in that powerful spirit since the first Christians were killed off, and the church fell into gentile hands?
Was the spirit given to those murderers who killed the first Christians off?
We are told that that kind of spirit passes away, and we are also instructed to pray for the giving of that spirit in the last days when it does return.
But who in this world can do anything like the first disciples did?
When the spirit is given in the fall for the second coming, it is not shared like the first giving of the spirit.
If Gentiles would have continued in the brotherhood which was created, maybe there would be a Holy spirit as it was in the first days, but they didn't continue did they?
I had to literally convert all the way, I put away all those things I was taught in my previous life as a spirit filled Christian.
I believe the spirit can come teaching all things, but I don't believe it just comes to anyone in any religion.
And how could Christians be taught all things if the despise the Torah, and reject God's worship system?
How can Christians be taught the truth in Jesus 7 feast days if they will not even speak the names of said days?
This Messianic thing is relatively new, I don't know exactly where it came from, but it has risen.
After I had repented of my rejection of God's commandments, and after I had returned to respecting the Torah, and then accepting the 7 feasts of Christ, why would I bring anything from my old religion with me?
But most anyone I see who has converted back to God's worship system, still work in that old Holy spirit they claimed to had in the old religion.
So is the Holy spirit with all these different Christianity's?
Do you see my point Rick?
I was a Christian for 45 years, and then I repented and converted, why would I look back and think that I ever had the Holy spirit?
It was after I converted that I began seeking the Holy spirit, and only after that conversion and commitment, I think I found it.
Or should I say, I think a spirit finally did come teaching me, but it did not feel like Jesus.
And it is nothing like the spirit that was given in the first church.
When the spirit came to me, I was overjoyed in thinking THAT FINALLY, the spirit has indwelled me.
And this I even found to be wrong.
I thought I would be the prophet and begin healing people, and this I even found wrong.
But a spirit did come testing me, and then a spirit came teaching me.
I failed many times, until I realized to keep my mouth shut and just study.
Whatever the vision or dream was, It was just pointing to a study.
But what do people do when they have dreams and visions Rick?
They freak out and they always think it is for some type of sign about them, or about somebody else, or about the end of the world.
They never consider that the spirit just wants to teach, it just wants you to be silent and follow the leads into scripture.
And this silence cannot be learned over night, and until it is learned, you simply cannot be taught.
If you have a dream, and then your dream comes true, in the same day you see a vision right in front of you, you see many visions, WHAT WILL YOU DO?
Will you say to yourself,'' I saw a vision of an oxen.'' and then go to study what oxen mean in the bible?
Or will you find the first roof top and proclaim your vision to the world?
You will find the first rooftop, find the first person, and prophesy, and how can you learn all things if when you are given signs to learn, you take the signs and think to proclaim something?
Do you understand what I am trying to say?
There is a testing that comes and will make you a fool until you learn what it comes to do.
If a spirit wants to show you visions everyday, how could it possibly do that if it already knows that you are going to freak out and more than likely, go insane?
But if you learn silence, and learn that a spirit just comes to teach, and you learn that visions are just given to lead you into truth, maybe visions will come all day.
But humans freak out, and how could a human be given visions and dreams if they continue to freak out?
