"Jerusalem The harlot", Modern Judaism, "Babylon the Great"!

[Truth7t7]

"Jerusalem The harlot", Modern Judaism, "Babylon the Great"!

The teachings of Dispensational Zionism have blinded the eyes of the confessing church, many teach that Rome would be the harlot of Revelation 17:5, "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" nothing could be further from the truth, God's words clearly Identifies the harlot, and it Isn't Rome!

Revelation 17:9-12 KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Wikipedia: Seven hills of Jerusalem

Jerusalem, Israel (see Seven hills of Jerusalem) [1], the northern summit (hill) is called Scopus [Hill One], The middle summit (hill) was called Nob [Hill Two], The highest point of Olivet itself, and the southern summit (hill) was called in the Holy Scriptures the "Mount of Corruption" or "Mount of Offence" [Hill Three] (II Kings 23:13), on the middle ridge between the Kedron and the Tyropoeon Valleys there was (formerly) in the south "Mount Zion" [Hill Four] (the original "Mount Zion" and not the later southwest hill that was later called by that name), the "Ophel Mount" [Hill Five], to the north of that the "Rock" around which "Fort Antonia" was built [Hill Six], and the southwest hill itself [Hill Seven] that finally became known in the time of Simon the Hasmonean as the new "Mount Zion."

You will take note that the beast of Rev 13:1 has 7 heads/mountains and Ten horns, that bear Ten crowns, this represents "KINGS" ruling over these tribes that scripture reveals are the "TEN LOST TRIBES" that have returned to Israel, the deadly would has been healed, 1948 Israel became a nation, as the tribes returned, these kings will represent the lost tribes that currently have no kingdom, and will be given power by the beast/antichrist, AKA messiah “Moshiach Ben David" to become kings, and will agree to come against the woman/Jerusalem, moving to take rabbinic/clerical rule over a current liberal Jerusalem. You will take note that Judah, Benjamin, are not included that were faithful to the Lord!

1 Kings 11:31 KJV
31 And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the Lord, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:

Revelation 13:1-8 KJV
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Dispensationalism, False Teachings!

You will take note that in Israel/Jerusalem is found all the righteous blood that was slain upon the earth as seen in Matthew 23:35 KJV and Revelation 18:24 KJV, you will take note that Matthew 23:32 KJV is filling the cup of measure, of Gods wrath that will be poured out upon Jerusalem, this cup is also seen in Revelation 18:6 KJV that will be filled double, she will receive this cup of wrath, that she has filled in Rev 16:19 KJV, the harlot is not "Roman Catholicism" as is falsely taught in Dispensationalism!

Jerusalem "Babylon The Great" The Harlot, is found all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, of the Prophets and the saints!

Matthew 23:31-38 KJV
31Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Revelation 18:24 KJV
24And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Many persons are misled by the true spiritual condition of modern day Judaism, the truth is they are heavily involved in the "Babylonian Talmud" and the "Kabbalah" they look toward these writings for spiritual guidance, the writings are pure examples of evil, that modern Judaism is spiritually involved with,"EVIL writings that should'nt be repeated"!

Wikipedia: Babylonian Talmud

"Talmud Bavli (Babylonian Talmud)
A full set of the Babylonian Talmud.
The Talmud Bavli consists of documents compiled over the period of Late Antiquity (3rd to 5th centuries).[9] The most important of the Jewish centres in Mesopotamia during this time were Nehardea, Nisibis, Mahoza, Pumbeditha and the Sura Academy".

"Talmud Bavli (the "Babylonian Talmud") comprises the Mishnah and the Babylonian Gemara, the latter representing the culmination of more than 300 years of analysis of the Mishnah in the Babylonian Academies. The foundations of this process of analysis were laid by Rab, a disciple of Rabbi Judah ha-Nasi. Tradition ascribes the compilation of the Babylonian Talmud in its present form to two Babylonian sages, Rav Ashi and Ravina".

Wikipedia: Kabbalah/Kabala

"Kabbalah/Kabala (Hebrew: קַבָּלָה‎ (lit. "receiving") is a discipline and school of thought concerned with the esoteric aspect of Rabbinic Judaism. It was systematized in 11th-13th century Hachmei Provence (Southern France) and Spain, and again after the Expulsion from Spain, in 16th century Ottoman Palestine. It was popularized in the form of Hassidic Judaism in the 18th century".

"Kabbalah is a set of esoteric teachings meant to explain the relationship between an eternal and mysterious Creator and the mortal and finite universe (His creation). While it is heavily used by some denominations, it is not a denomination in and of itself; it is a set of scriptures that exist outside the traditional Jewish scriptures".

[FONT=&quot]Revelation 11:8 KJV[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Jerusalem, Gay Pride Parade 2012, supported by the government, and Likud party of Benjamin Netanyahu?[/FONT]

[FONT="]Jerusalem Post, 8/2/2012[/FONT]

[FONT="]Four thousand people marched in the 10th annual Jerusalem Gay Pride Parade in the capital on Thursday, waving rainbow flags of all shapes and sizes in the nonviolent protest. In contrast to past years, there were no haredim standing along the way, protesting the parade.[/FONT]

[FONT="]For the first time since 2005, the parade returned to its original route, making its way down King George and Keren Hayesod streets, stopping to observe a moment of silence at the spot where three participants were stabbed in 2005 by a haredi extremist.[/FONT]

[FONT="]Members of the right-wing Likud’s gay group joined the parade for the first time after their founding nine months ago. Evan Cohen of Ramat Gan said that the Likud party embraced them, but the leftwing political parties did not. Even 20 anarchists joined the parade, dressed in black and pink, and chanted against the opposition.[/FONT]
[FONT="]On Thursday morning, police discovered the white “Welcome to Jerusalem” sign at the entrance to the capital had been covered with rainbow paint, most likely in support of the parade. Police opened an investigation into the incident, and the sign was immediately cleaned.[/FONT]

The Harlot of Revelation "Great Babylon" is Israel/Jerusalem, we see Jerusalem being called Babylon and a great city, it is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, Rev 11:8, 14:8 and 16:19 KJV is Jerusalem, you will take note that the harlot is called MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT , with great babylon being identifed in Rev 16:19 KJV.

She is guilty of all the righteous blood shed on the earth, Matt 23:35 & Rev 18:24 KJV.
She has filled the cup of wrath, Matt 23:32, Rev 18:8, Rev 16;19 KJV.
She will be burt with fire, Rev 18:8, Isa 29:6 KJV.

Revelation 17:5 KJV
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Jerusalem is called the "great city" and is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, that would depict Babylonian influence, not to mention the Talmud, and Kabbalah, their holy books.

Revelation 11:8 KJV
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Revelation 14:8 KJV
8And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

The valley of meggido, Armageddo is located in Israel, where the nations of the world will be drawn to battle, the final depiction is termed "great city" "great babylon" depicting Israel and Jerusalem!

Revelation 16:12-21 KJV
12And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
20And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Isaiah 1:20-22 KJV
20But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
21 How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
22 Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:

Ezekiel 16:14-16 KJV
14And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.
15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by ; his it was.
16And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.

Revelation 18:6-8 KJV
6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Jerusalem the Harlot/harlot will be visited with fire to be burned!

Isaiah 29:6 KJV
6 Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.

Isaiah 57:3-4 KJV
3But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the harlot.
4Against whom do ye sport yourselves? against whom make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye not children of transgression, a seed of falsehood.

Jesus Christ Is the Lord!

Truth7t7

 

[Manasseh_]

"Jerusalem The harlot", Modern Judaism, "Babylon the Great"!

The teachings of Dispensational Zionism have blinded the eyes of the confessing church, many teach that Rome would be the harlot of Revelation 17:5, "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" nothing could be further from the truth, God's words clearly Identifies the harlot, and it Isn't Rome!

Truth7t7

the only thing you got correct is that Rome isn't Babylon the harlot.............but at the same time neither is Jerusalem

Babylon the harlot is a great, powerful apostate church who rides the beast (Roman empire revived) in Revelation 13 she is represented by the beast who looks like Christ(appears as a lamb)(the false prophet) but speaks by the given power by satan
this harlot is remembered for her wickedness (martyrdom of many saints) by God and He repays her for her martrydoms and wickedness

Rev_18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

FOUND NO MORE AT ALL <<<<<<<

Babylon the harlot will be completely destroyed by God and cease to exist and again at the same time God promises by prophecy that he will redeem Jerusalem and the whole nation of Israel, Zechariah 14's prophecy states that Christ at his return will rule from Jerusalem

there are other reasons why Jerusalem is not Babylon
satan never has or does give Jerusalem any kind of power over kings of the earth or people causing them to worship the beast , scripture teaches that Jerusalem will be surrounded by armies(Luke 21) and gentiles will overrun the city during end times (Rev 11)......according to any scripture regarding this satan has always wanted Jerusalem to be destroyed along with the nation of Israel and he has many times attempted to do so

Jerusalem never has or ever will ride the beast (Roman Empire) promoting the beast to be worshiped since again Jerusalem is under seige during end times..............common sense tells that Jerusalem can't be part of the beast power (antichrist) and at the same time be under seige at the brink of destruction by gentile armies who Christ will fight against and destroy at his coming

your premise is false according to God's word

 

[Truth7t7]

Manasseh: Babylon the harlot is a great, powerful apostate church who rides the beast (Roman empire revived) in Revelation 13 she is represented by the beast who looks like Christ(appears as a lamb)(the false prophet) but speaks by the given power by satan
this harlot is remembered for her wickedness (martyrdom of many saints) by God and He repays her for her martrydoms and wickedness

Greatly appreciate your response, I disagree with your position of a revived Roman Empire, as you associate Rome with the martyrdom of many saints?

I agree Rome and the Catholic Church is and has been a great evil, however the scripture clearly states in Rev 18:24 that this harlot will be guilty of the blood of "PROPHETS" and saints, Matthew 23:35-37 clearly states that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, "Jerusalem"?

The theory that Rome or its revived Empire would be the harlot "Fails on this simple Fact"?

"The Roman Empire did'nt exist to be guilty of the blood of "Prophets" and Jerusalem did", and this is clearly seen in the scripture that has been presented. Jerusalem sits on seven hills as presented, these factual truths are kept silenced in the teachings of Dispensational Christian Zionism, of Darby, Scofield.

Jerusalem "Babylon The Great" The Harlot, is found all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, of the Prophets and the saints!

Matthew 23:31-38 KJV
31Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Revelation 18:24 KJV
24And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!

Truth7t7

 

[Bethwhite]

The problem with the idea that Jerusalem is mystery babylon is that Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD and the prophecy (John's Revelation) about mystery babylon was in the 90's AD.

 

[ebedmelech]

The problem with the idea that Jerusalem is mystery babylon is that Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD and the prophecy (John's Revelation) about mystery babylon was in the 90's AD.

The timing of mystery babylon's demise is when the church is immortal after salvation (immortality through Christ) has come:

Rev 19:1 After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting:
&#8220;Hallelujah!
Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,
2 for true and just are his judgments.
He has condemned the great prostitute
who corrupted the earth by her adulteries.
He has avenged on her the blood of his servants.&#8221;
3 And again they shouted:
&#8220;Hallelujah!
The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever.&#8221;

I think not Beth.

You're buying into the idea that Revelation was written in 90's AD. I have been convinced that Revelation was written in around 62-66 AD.

Within Christendom we have that debate steadily being ongoing.

 

[Bethwhite]

I think not Beth.

You're buying into the idea that Revelation was written in 90's AD. I have been convinced that Revelation was written in around 62-66 AD.

Within Christendom we have that debate steadily being ongoing.

Domitian ruled from 81-96AD.

 

[Bethwhite]

The timing of mystery babylon's demise is when the church is immortal after salvation (immortality through Christ) has come:

Rev 19:1 After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting:
&#8220;Hallelujah!
Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,
2 for true and just are his judgments.
He has condemned the great prostitute
who corrupted the earth by her adulteries.
He has avenged on her the blood of his servants.&#8221;
3 And again they shouted:
&#8220;Hallelujah!
The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever.&#8221;


Sorry, guys, but the "smoke from" Jerusalem has not "gone up for ever and ever" since her destruction in 70AD.

 

[Bethwhite]

Mystery Babylon, "eternal queen", "queen of kingdoms" is also found in Isaiah 47. God says He gave His people into her hand because he was angry with them. She is mentioned in Zech 2 as well, as being in "the land of the North".


Isaiah 47:5 Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called, The lady of kingdoms.
6 I was wroth with my people, I have polluted mine inheritance, and given them into thine hand: thou didst shew them no mercy; upon the ancient hast thou very heavily laid thy yoke.
7 And thou saidst, I shall be a lady for ever: so that thou didst not lay these things to thy heart, neither didst remember the latter end of it.
8 Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:

Rev 18: 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.


Zech 2:6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the Lord: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the Lord.
7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.

 

[Bethwhite]

Psalm 137

137 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
2 We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.
3 For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.
4 How shall we sing the Lord's song in a strange land?
5 If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.
6 If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.
7 Remember, O Lord, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.
8O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.




Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.






Isaiah 47:5 Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called, The lady of kingdoms.
6I was wroth with my people, I have polluted mine inheritance, and given them into thine hand: thou didst shew them no mercy; upon the ancient hast thou very heavily laid thy yoke.
7 And thou saidst, I shall be a lady for ever: so that thou didst not lay these things to thy heart, neither didst remember the latter end of it.
8 Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:
9 But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.

 

[ebedmelech]

Domitian ruled from 81-96AD.

That's no point.

Domitian didn't write Revelation...John did.

The internal evidences of Revelation are strong that it was written way before Domitian was emperor.

As I read Revelation John says he was in the tribulation at the time:
Rev 1:9;
9 I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.

That's just one point. However, the debate on the date Revelation was written remains strong.

Saints will have to make up their own mind about it.

 

[Bethwhite]

That's no point.

Domitian didn't write Revelation...John did.

The internal evidences of Revelation are strong that it was written way before Domitian was emperor.

As I read Revelation John says he was in the tribulation at the time:
Rev 1:9;
9 I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.

That's just one point. However, the debate on the date Revelation was written remains strong.

Saints will have to make up their own mind about it.

Yes, and Jesus said the tribulation began at the desolation of Israel (Jerusalem) and will be cut short for the sake of the elect prior to wrath at the 6th seal.

Ezek 14:21 &#8220;For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: How much worse will it be when I send against Jerusalem my four dreadful judgments&#8212;sword and famine and wild beasts and plague&#8212;to kill its men and their animals! (Seals 1-4)

Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake (Rev 7) those days shall be shortened.
...
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall
the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

[Truth7t7]

Bethwhite: The problem with the idea that Jerusalem is mystery babylon is that Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD and the prophecy (John's Revelation) about mystery babylon was in the 90's AD.

Beth I believe the abomination is a future event, I have watched your post and it appears that you would be preterist in your views of eschatology, I disagree with the teachings, that rely largely on symbolism for many events that will be literal future events.

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!

Trutht7t7

 

[Bethwhite]

Beth I believe the abomination is a future event, I have watched your post and it appears that you would be preterist in your views of eschatology, I disagree with the teachings, that rely largely on symbolism for many events that will be literal.

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!

Trutht7t7

Yes, Jesus Christ is LORD!

Tell me, does Jesus answer the disciples' question here and if so, where in Matt 24 did he answer that specific question?

Matt 24:And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?



FYI:

Luke 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Matt 24:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.


When was Jerusalem/Israel desolated, not one stone upon another (of the Temple buildings), until they see Jesus coming?

Hosea 6:&#8220;Come, let us return to the Lord.
He has torn us to pieces
but he will heal us;
he has injured us
but he will bind up our wounds.
2 After two days he will revive us;
on the third day he will restore us,
that we may live in his presence.
3 Let us acknowledge the Lord;
let us press on to acknowledge him.
As surely as the sun rises,
he will appear;he will come to us like the winter rains,
like the spring rains that water the earth.&#8221;

 

[decent orange]

You have to come out of her. She is brutal and she thinks she is a mistress forever and above all. I hope the people in her, come out of her so they don't share in her plagues.

 

[Steve Petersen]

"Jerusalem The harlot", Modern Judaism, "Babylon the Great"!

The teachings of Dispensational Zionism have blinded the eyes of the confessing church, many teach that Rome would be the harlot of Revelation 17:5, "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" nothing could be further from the truth, God's words clearly Identifies the harlot, and it Isn't Rome!

Revelation 17:9-12 KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

You will take note that the beast of Rev 13:1 has 7 heads/mountains and Ten horns, that bear Ten crowns, this represents "KINGS" ruling over these tribes that scripture reveals are the "TEN LOST TRIBES" that have returned to Israel, the deadly would has been healed, 1948 Israel became a nation, as the tribes returned, these kings will represent the lost tribes that currently have no kingdom, and will be given power by the beast/antichrist, AKA messiah “Moshiach Ben David" to become kings, and will agree to come against the woman/Jerusalem, moving to take rabbinic/clerical rule over a current liberal Jerusalem. You will take note that Judah, Benjamin, are not included that were faithful to the Lord!

1 Kings 11:31 KJV
31 And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the Lord, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:

Revelation 13:1-8 KJV
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Dispensationalism, False Teachings!

You will take note that in Israel/Jerusalem is found all the righteous blood that was slain upon the earth as seen in Matthew 23:35 KJV and Revelation 18:24 KJV, you will take note that Matthew 23:32 KJV is filling the cup of measure, of Gods wrath that will be poured out upon Jerusalem, this cup is also seen in Revelation 18:6 KJV that will be filled double, she will receive this cup of wrath, that she has filled in Rev 16:19 KJV, the harlot is not "Roman Catholicism" as is falsely taught in Dispensationalism!

Jerusalem "Babylon The Great" The Harlot, is found all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, of the Prophets and the saints!

Matthew 23:31-38 KJV
31Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Revelation 18:24 KJV
24And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Many persons are misled by the true spiritual condition of modern day Judaism, the truth is they are heavily involved in the "Babylonian Talmud" and the "Kabbalah" they look toward these writings for spiritual guidance, the writings are pure examples of evil, that modern Judaism is spiritually involved with,"EVIL writings that should'nt be repeated"!

[FONT=&quot]Revelation 11:8 KJV[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Jerusalem, Gay Pride Parade 2012, supported by the government, and Likud party of Benjamin Netanyahu?[/FONT]
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The Harlot of Revelation "Great Babylon" is Israel/Jerusalem, we see Jerusalem being called Babylon and a great city, it is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, Rev 11:8, 14:8 and 16:19 KJV is Jerusalem, you will take note that the harlot is called MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT , with great babylon being identifed in Rev 16:19 KJV.

She is guilty of all the righteous blood shed on the earth, Matt 23:35 & Rev 18:24 KJV.
She has filled the cup of wrath, Matt 23:32, Rev 18:8, Rev 16;19 KJV.
She will be burt with fire, Rev 18:8, Isa 29:6 KJV.

Revelation 17:5 KJV
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Jerusalem is called the "great city" and is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, that would depict Babylonian influence, not to mention the Talmud, and Kabbalah, their holy books.

Revelation 11:8 KJV
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Revelation 14:8 KJV
8And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

The valley of meggido, Armageddo is located in Israel, where the nations of the world will be drawn to battle, the final depiction is termed "great city" "great babylon" depicting Israel and Jerusalem!

Revelation 16:12-21 KJV
12And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
20And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Isaiah 1:20-22 KJV
20But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
21 How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
22 Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:

Ezekiel 16:14-16 KJV
14And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.
15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by ; his it was.
16And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.

Revelation 18:6-8 KJV
6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Jerusalem the Harlot/harlot will be visited with fire to be burned!

Isaiah 29:6 KJV
6 Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.

Isaiah 57:3-4 KJV
3But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the harlot.
4Against whom do ye sport yourselves? against whom make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye not children of transgression, a seed of falsehood.

Jesus Christ Is the Lord!

Truth7t7

Wow! Looks like you've been trolling some hate sites!

 

[ebedmelech]

Yes, and Jesus said the tribulation began at the desolation of Israel (Jerusalem) and will be cut short for the sake of the elect prior to wrath at the 6th seal.

Ezek 14:21 &#8220;For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: How much worse will it be when I send against Jerusalem my four dreadful judgments&#8212;sword and famine and wild beasts and plague&#8212;to kill its men and their animals! (Seals 1-4)

Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake (Rev 7) those days shall be shortened.
...
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall
the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Not quite Beth.

At the point you're making, the tribulation had already begun, it became intensified. Jesus had already told the disciples earlier that they would be "delivered into tribulation". Before it intensified, He gave them the signs to know when to flee Jerusalem, which was the surrounding of Jerusalem with armies.

The disciples (that were alive), fled and they were not caught in the destruction of the temple because they understood the "parable of the fig tree". They saw the signs and got out.

You hold this future, but as I read the scriptures, I cannot.

 

[Truth7t7]

Beth I'm fully aware of the teachings of preterism, are you full or partial?

Do you believe the event as seen in Exodus with Moses, Aaron, and Pharaoh were literal plagues, as the Hebrews were protected from these plagues, or was this non-literal symbolic events of plagues?

Where in history have the two witnesses been seen bringing plagues upon the earth as seen in Rev 11:3-15 as documented below, I believe these will be literal human prophets that will return, and they are described in verse 10 "these two prophets"?

I'm aware that many preterist symbolize this as being the testimony of the church during a tribulation, and don't believe this will represent literal human men?

Many preterist believe the Lord has returned in the clouds of heaven already, fulfilling the prophetic events of the heavenly return, I disagree?

Many preterist believe that the 66-70 AD destruction fulfilled Luke 21:20 in the armies surrounding Jerusalem, and the abomination of desolation, as a pig was sacrificed on the temple altar? I disagree Daniel 12:1-2 say's that the time of trouble will never be seen as greater than ever there was a nation, and the little war in Jerusalem in 66-70 AD was dwarfed by the 70 million that were killed worldwide in World War II, with 6 million Jews alone, and the future tribulation will be even greater.

Preterism is a teaching that was invented by a corrupt source, Roman Catholocism, and Jesuit Priest
Luis del Alcázar, I believe he would be seen as a corrupt seed, and actively participated in the counter reformation, and preterism is its product, I'm not Roman Catholic nor do I adhere to its false teachings.

Wikipedia: Luis del Alcázar (Ludovicus ab Alcasar, Louis of Alcazar) (1554&#8211;1613) was a Spanish Jesuit theologian.

He was the eldest son of Melchor del Alcázar, a jurist,[1] and nephew of the poet Baltasar del Alcázar, and was born in Seville. He studied at Seville, Cordova and Salamanca, entered the Society of Jesus in 1568, and became a priest in 1578. Alcázar was a friend of the Jesuit Juan de Pineda (1552&#8211;1637) (also a pupil of Jerome de Prado),[2] and the Dominican Agustin Salucio; he died in Rome.[3][4]
He is known for his Vestigatio arcani sensus in Apocalypsi (1614) published after his death, putting forward what would later be called a preterist view of Biblical prophecy, in commentary on the Book of Revelation; his work is regarded as the first major application of the method of interpretation of prophecy by reading in terms of the author's contemporary concerns.[5] His view was that everything in the Apocalypse, apart from the three final chapters, refers to events that already have come to pass.

Influence

Alcázar's method was for the Book of Revelation, and was shortly taken up by Hugo Grotius.[5][10] John Donne cites him in a sermon.[11] Henry Hammond was an exception, among English Protestants, in following Alcázar's interpretation.[10] Alcázar is with Johann Heinrich Heidegger is referenced in Tristram Shandy as "Lewis de Acasar".[12]
He was a friend of Francisco Pacheco, and had an influence on the iconography of the Immaculate Conception: the horns of the crescent moon in Pacheco's codification pointed away from the sun, as Alcázar and Galileo argued.[13]

Daniel 12:1-2 KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Revelation 11:3-15 KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!

Truth7t7

 

[Bethwhite]

Not quite Beth.

At the point you're making, the tribulation had already begun, it became intensified. Jesus had already told the disciples earlier that they would be "delivered into tribulation". Before it intensified, He gave them the signs to know when to flee Jerusalem, which was the surrounding of Jerusalem with armies.

The disciples (that were alive), fled and they were not caught in the destruction of the temple because they understood the "parable of the fig tree". They saw the signs and got out.

You hold this future, but as I read the scriptures, I cannot.

The tribulation has been going on since the desolation of Israel and will be cut short for the sake of the elect, followed immediately by wrath that we are not appointed to suffer.

The antichrist arises during wrath after the tribulation is cut short.

SEE:

Ezek 14:21 “For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: How much worse will it be when I send against Jerusalem my four dreadful judgments—sword and famine and wild beasts and plague—to kill its men and their animals! (Seals 1-4)

Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake (Rev 7) those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.

...
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall
the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

[Bethwhite]

Beth I'm fully aware of the teachings of preterism, are you full or partial?

Do you believe the event as seen in Exodus with Moses, Aaron, and Pharaoh were literal plagues, as the Hebrews were protected from these plagues, or was this non-literal symbolic events of plagues?

Where in history have the two witnesses been seen bringing plagues upon the earth as seen in Rev 11:3-15 as documented below, I believe these will be literal human prophets that will return, and they are described in verse 10 "these two prophets"?

I'm aware that many preterist symbolize this as being the testimony of the church during a tribulation, and don't believe this will represent literal human men?

Many preterist believe the Lord has returned in the clouds of heaven already, fulfilling the prophetic events of the heavenly return, I disagree?

Many preterist believe that the 66-70 AD destruction fulfilled Luke 21:20 in the armies surrounding Jerusalem, and the abomination of desolation, as a pig was sacrificed on the temple altar? I disagree Daniel 12:1-2 say's that the time of trouble will never be seen as greater than ever there was a nation, and the little war in Jerusalem in 66-70 AD was dwarfed by the 70 million that were killed worldwide in World War II, with 6 million Jews alone, and the future tribulation will be even greater.

Preterism is a teaching that was invented by a corrupt source, Roman Catholocism, and Jesuit Priest
Luis del Alcázar, I believe he would be seen as a corrupt seed, and actively participated in the counter reformation, and preterism is its product, I'm not Roman Catholic nor do I adhere to its false teachings.

I don't know, nor do I care, what Preterism is.
All I care about is what God said.

When Jesus died on the cross 2000 years ago, He ascended as the "slain Lamb", worthy to take the 7-sealed scroll and open the seals thereon. (Rev 5)

He opened the first four before Jerusalem was sacked by the Romans. He will open the last three as He is returning.

SEE:

Ezek 14:21 “For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: How much worse will it be when I send against Jerusalem my four dreadful judgments—sword and famine and wild beasts and plague—to kill its men and their animals! (Seals 1-4)

Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake (Rev 7) those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.

...
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall
the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

[Truth7t7]

Bethwhite: All I care about is what God said.

Beth you have not answered the questions as asked below, please answer them so I can better understand your eschatology.

Do you believe the event as seen in Exodus with Moses, Aaron, and Pharaoh were literal plagues, as the Hebrews were protected from these plagues, or was this non-literal symbolic events of plagues?

Where in history have the two witnesses been seen bringing plagues upon the earth as seen in Rev 11:3-15 as documented below, I believe these will be literal human prophets that will return, and they are described in verse 10 "these two prophets"?

I'm aware that many preterist symbolize this as being the testimony of the church during a tribulation, and don't believe this will represent literal human men?

Many preterist believe the Lord has returned in the clouds of heaven already, fulfilling the prophetic events of the heavenly return, I disagree?

Many preterist believe that the 66-70 AD destruction fulfilled Luke 21:20 in the armies surrounding Jerusalem, and the abomination of desolation, as a pig was sacrificed on the temple altar? I disagree Daniel 12:1-2 say's that the time of trouble will never be seen as greater than ever there was a nation, and the little war in Jerusalem in 66-70 AD was dwarfed by the 70 million that were killed worldwide in World War II, with 6 million Jews alone, and the future tribulation will be even greater.

1,) Do you believe the events as described in Exodus were literal plagues?

2.) Do you believe the two witnesses as seen in Rev 11 are literal human beings, prophets?

3.) Do you believe the Lord has returned in the clouds of heaven already?

4.) Do you believe the 66-70 AD destruction fulfilled the abomination of desolation and great tribulation period?

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!

Truth7t7