Iran president wants Israel ‘wiped off the map’

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Defensor Fidei said:
Why didn't the Jews of Europe then return to Palestine over the centuries?
The Ottoman Empire was extremely powerful until the 1900's. The Jewish people could not return to the Promised Land under those circumstances.

The Old Testament is not "Jewish Scriptures," it is the Christian Old Testament. The Talmud is in fact Judaism's holiest book nowadays.
The Talmud is not technically a "book". :doh:It is an oral tradition, an interpretation of the OT. Being a Catholic, you should understand a thing or two about oral tradition.
 
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Sometimes those comments are racist, but not always. Rabbi Shmuley Boteach's comment, in context, is peculiar, but not necessarily racist. I don't agree with his opinion on feminism or the particular woman's looks, but I can see that his point was, in his opinion, the Jewish male emphasis on outside beauty and not inside piety of the average woman, as well as the glamerous view of blondes portrayed by Hollywood and the media.
So the goy convert to Judaism was not a true Jew worthy of other Jews to marry...that is the bottom of line of what Shmuley is saying.

I wasn't aware that Western Europe considered the Holy Roman Empire as a Godsend. Maybe Native Americans and Africans willingly embraced slavery from Roman Catholics in the early 1500's and 1000's, respectively?
Catholics didn't enslave them. Jewish slave ships controlled the African slave trade between Africa and Masonic America.


Are you going to defend your contention or not? I know that the Roman Catholic Church does not interpret this verse the way you do. And we both know that the opinion of one or two Church Fathers - while significant - do not constitute the Church's position as a whole. Otherwise iconoclasm, vegetarianism and universalism would all be the orthodox and official positions of the RCC.
The Church Fathers are considered unanimous on the issue, thus it is the official Roman Catholic interpretation. The curse for killing Christ will forever mark the Jews.
 
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Defensor Fidei said:
It's not my ideology. It is the Jewish supremacist ideology. I already made clear the purpose of those quotations but like a typical Jew you like to repeat lies over and over again until the dumb goyim cattle believe them.

Reported.

You're bringing this conversation to a level that is beneath this community, shame and you and keep your anti-semitism to yourself. I strongly URGE everyone else to report this troll, racism has no room on these forums.
 
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Halruaa said:
Reported.

You're bringing this conversation to a level that is beneath this community, shame and you and keep your anti-semitism to yourself. I strongly URGE everyone else to report this troll, racism has no room on these forums.
Only a matter of time before the ADL bugs would show up here. Typical. No need to address the issues being confronted, just REPORT TO THE AUTHORITIES and shout "ANTI-SEMITE" until the problem goes away.
 
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Defensor Fidei said:
Only a matter of time before the ADL bugs would show up here. Typical. No need to address the issues being confronted, just REPORT TO THE AUTHORITIES and shout "ANTI-SEMITE" until the problem goes away.


Your issues are not worthy of my time for a thorough response. They're nonsense, baseless ramblings which would make even Hitler himself proud. But, as for reporting to the authorities--it seems you forget what you've said. Perhaps its because you were too busy frothing at the mouth about how evil the jews are. Allow me to show you. And everyone else more clearly. And consider this a privilege that im giving someone of your likes this much attention.

but like a typical Jew you like to repeat lies over and over again - Defensor Fidei


Racist.
 
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Defensor Fidei said:
Why didn't the Jews of Europe then return to Palestine over the centuries? It's now "anti-semitic" to imply that Jews have foreign loyalties to their host nations, yet now Jews claim to all be rightful citizens of Palestine. Funny, picking and choosing you way when convenient

The region was under the control of different people before it became under British Mandate and was called Palestine, but even the British had some strict rules regarding Jews in the region.

'How to end it when both sides are right?' -(article title)
http://www.habluetzel.com/palestinian.htm
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WHO IS A PALESTINIAN?
During the period of the Mandate, it was the Jewish population that was known as "Palestinians" including those who served in the British Army in World War II.

British policy was to curtail their numbers and progressively limit Jewish immigration. By 1939, the White Paper virtually put an end to admission of Jews to Palestine. This policy was imposed the most stringently at the very time this Home was most desperately needed -- after the rise of Nazi power in Europe.

Jews who might have developed the empty lands of Palestine and left progeny there, instead died in the gas chambers of Europe or in the seas they were trying to cross to the Promised Land.

At the same time that the British slammed the gates on Jews, they permitted or ignored massive illegal immigration into Western Palestine from Arab countries Jordan, Syria, Egypt, North Africa. In 1939, Winston Churchill noted that "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied . . . ." Exact population statistics may be problematic, but it seems that by 1947 the number of Arabs west of the Jordan River was approximately triple of what it had been in 1900.

The current myth is that these Arabs were long established in Palestine, until the Jews came and "displaced" them. The fact is, that recent Arab immigration into Palestine "displaced" the Jews.

That the massive increase in Arab population was very recent is attested by the ruling of the United Nations: That any Arab who had lived in Palestine for two years and then left in 1948 qualifies as a "Palestinian refugees".

Casual use of population statistics for Jews and Arabs in Palestine rarely consider how the proportions came to be. One factor was the British policy of keeping out Jews while bringing in Arabs. Another factor was the violence used to kill or drive out Jews even where they had been long established. For one example: The Jewish connection with Hebron goes back to Abraham, and there has been an Israelite/Jewish community there since Joshua long before it was King David's first capital.

In 1929, Arab rioters with the passive consent of the British -- killed or drove out virtually the entire Jewish community.

For another example: In 1948, Trans-Jordan seized much of Judea and Samaria (which they called The West Bank) and East Jerusalem and the Old City. They killed or drove out every Jew.

It is now often proposed as a principle of international law and morality that all places that the British and the Arabs rendered Judenrein must forever remain so. In contrast, Israel eventually allotted 17 percent of Mandate Palestine has a large and growing population of Arab citizens.

FROM PALESTINE TO ISRAEL

What was to become of "Palestine" after the Mandate? This question was taken up by various British and international commissions and other bodies, culminating with the United Nations in 1947.

During the various deliberations, Arab officials, spokesmen and writers expressed their views on "Palestine".

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. . . . Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it."
Local Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not"
Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian to Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."
Ahmed Shukairy, United Nations Security Council, 1956

By 1948, the Arabs had still not yet discovered their ancient nation of Falastin. When they were offered half of Palestine west of the Jordan River for a state, the offer was violently rejected. Six Arab states launched a war of annihilation against the nascent State of Israel. Their purpose was not to establish an independent Falastin. Their aim was to partition western Palestine amongst themselves.

They did not succeed in killing Israel, but Trans-Jordan succeeded in taking Judea and Samaria (West Bank) and East Jerusalem, killing or driving out all the Jews who had lived in those places, and banning Jews of all nations from Jewish holy places. Egypt succeeded in taking the Gaza Strip. These two Arab states held these lands until 1967. Then they launched another war of annihilation against Israel, and in consequence lost the lands they had taken by war in 1948.

During those 19 years, 1948-1967, Jordan and Egypt never offered to surrendar those lands to make up an independent state of Falastin. The "Palestinians" never sought it. Nobody in the world ever suggested it, much less demanded it. Finally, in 1964, the Palestine Liberation Movement was founded. Ahmed Shukairy, who less than 10 years earlier had denied the existence of Palestine, was its first chairman. Its charter proclaimed its sole purpose to be the destruction of Israel. To that end it helped to precipitate the Arab attack on Israel in 1967.

The outcome of that attack then inspired an alteration in public rhetoric. As propaganda, it sounds better to speak of the liberation of Falastin than of the destruction of Israel. Much of the world, governments and media and public opinion, accept virtually without question of serious analysis the new-sprung myth of an Arab nation of Falastin, whose territory is unlawfully occupied by the Jews.

Since the end of World War I, the Arabs of the Middle East and North Africa have been given independent states in 99.5 percent of the land they claimed. Lord Balfour once expressed his hope that when the Arabs had been given so much, they would "not begrudge" the Jews the "little notch" promised to them.

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian Arab nation . . . Palestine is a name the Romans gave to Eretz Yisrael with the express purpose of infuriating the Jews . . . . Why should we use the spiteful name meant to humiliate us?

"The British chose to call the land they mandated Palestine, and the Arabs picked it up as their nation's supposed ancient name, though they couldn't even pronounce it correctly and turned it into Falastin a fictional entity."
Golda Meir quoted by Sarah Honig, Jerusalem Post, 25 November 1995
 
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Defensor Fidei said:
Catholics didn't enslave them.
The Spanish weren't Catholic?

The Church Fathers are considered unanimous on the issue, thus it is the official Roman Catholic interpretation.
This is not true; the Church Fathers did not hold this view, and the RCC does not hold it today.

And EVEN IF they did, you should recognize that Jesus said, of the Romans actually crucifying him: "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do"! God is slow to anger, but you resort to downright lies in the guise of defending Christ?
 
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Scholar in training said:
The Spanish weren't Catholic?
The Spanish weren't responsible for slavery.


This is not true; the Church Fathers did not hold this view, and the RCC does not hold it today.
Saints Augustine, Jerome, Cyprian, Chrysostom, Origen, Irenaeus, Gregory, and the other Church Fathers all held this view.

And EVEN IF they did, you should recognize that Jesus said, of the Romans actually crucifying him: "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do"! God is slow to anger, but you resort to downright lies in the guise of defending Christ?
Saint Thomas Aquinas went out of his way to address this matter in Summa Theologica:
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/404706.htm

Whether the sin of those who crucified Christ was most grievous?

Objection 1. It would seem that the sin of Christ's crucifiers was not the most grievous. Because the sin which has some excuse cannot be most grievous. But our Lord Himself excused the sin of His crucifiers when He said: "Father, forgive them: for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34). Therefore theirs was not the most grievous sin.

Objection 2. Further, our Lord said to Pilate (John 19:11): "He that hath delivered Me to thee hath the greater sin." But it was Pilate who caused Christ to be crucified by his minions. Therefore the sin of Judas the traitor seems to be greater than that of those who crucified Him.

Objection 3. Further, according to the Philosopher (Ethic. v): "No one suffers injustice willingly"; and in the same place he adds: "Where no one suffers injustice, nobody works injustice." Consequently nobody wreaks injustice upon a willing subject. But Christ suffered willingly, as was shown above (1,2). Therefore those who crucified Christ did Him no injustice; and hence their sin was not the most grievous.

On the contrary, Chrysostom, commenting on the words, "Fill ye up, then, the measure of your fathers" (Matthew 23:32), says: "In very truth they exceeded the measure of their fathers; for these latter slew men, but they crucified God."

I answer that, As stated above (5), the rulers of the Jews knew that He was the Christ: and if there was any ignorance in them, it was affected ignorance, which could not excuse them. Therefore their sin was the most grievous, both on account of the kind of sin, as well as from the malice of their will. The Jews also of the common order sinned most grievously as to the kind of their sin: yet in one respect their crime was lessened by reason of their ignorance. Hence Bede, commenting on Lk. 23:34, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do," says: "He prays for them who know not what they are doing, as having the zeal of God, but not according to knowledge." But the sin of the Gentiles, by whose hands He was crucified, was much more excusable, since they had no knowledge of the Law.

Reply to Objection 1. As stated above, the excuse made by our Lord is not to be referred to the rulers among the Jews, but to the common people.

Reply to Objection 2. Judas did not deliver up Christ to Pilate, but to the chief priests who gave Him up to Pilate, according to John 18:35: "Thy own nation and the chief priests have delivered Thee up to me." But the sin of all these was greater than that of Pilate, who slew Christ from fear of Caesar; and even greater than the sin of the soldiers who crucified Him at the governor's bidding, not out of cupidity like Judas, nor from envy and hate like the chief priests.

Reply to Objection 3. Christ, indeed willed His Passion just as the Father willed it; yet He did not will the unjust action of the Jews. Consequently Christ's slayers are not excused of their injustice. Nevertheless, whoever slays a man not only does a wrong to the one slain, but likewise to God and to the State; just as he who kills himself, as the Philosopher says (Ethic. v). Hence it was that David condemned to death the man who "did not fear to lay hands upon the Lord's anointed," even though he (Saul) had requested it, as related 2 Kgs. 1:5-14.
 
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Halruaa said:
Your issues are not worthy of my time for a thorough response. They're nonsense, baseless ramblings which would make even Hitler himself proud. But, as for reporting to the authorities--it seems you forget what you've said. Perhaps its because you were too busy frothing at the mouth about how evil the jews are. Allow me to show you. And everyone else more clearly. And consider this a privilege that im giving someone of your likes this much attention.
Typical comments quoted by the mainstream media from the "regional ADL director" whenever someone the Jews don't like comes to town. We're all above objective observations and discussions on Jewry now. Just listen to what the Jews say, don't lower yourselves to be evil NAZIS, RACISTS, HATERS, KLANSMEN by keeping an open mind.
 
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MaryS said:
The region was under the control of different people before it became under British Mandate and was called Palestine, but even the British had some strict rules regarding Jews in the region.

'How to end it when both sides are right?' -(article title)
http://www.habluetzel.com/palestinian.htm
(excerpts:
WHO IS A PALESTINIAN?
During the period of the Mandate, it was the Jewish population that was known as "Palestinians" including those who served in the British Army in World War II.
Quoting long, irrelevant Zionist drivel really does not contribute to your response.
 
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Defensor Fidei said:
The marriage of a Jew to a non-Jew is illegal in "israel." It's simply not recognized. In fact, the priestly ("Cohen") class can not even marry fellow Jews unless they are of totally pure Jewish bloodline under purity laws stricter than those of Hitler's Third Reich.

I was speaking in terms of the majority of Jews, not those who are in Israel.
It's true that Israel has some rather restrictive laws, but they were formed because they learned from the past; that is, they had incidents where Jews had married people that became future suicidal terrorists.

But of course the Jews are the most avid group in the United States advocating the recognition of "marriage" of "homosexuals" and other perversities. The goyim have to be tolerant...

Really? Do you have any evidence where a Jewish synagogue has endorsed the marriage of homosexuals? The only religious group that I know of that has officially taken a stand in favor of that kind of marriage is The United Church of Christ, which also happens to be a church that has called for divestment from Israel.

Here are the Senators who voted against the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act:

Akaka (D-HI)
Boxer (D-CA)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerrey (D-NE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Moseley-Braun (D-IL)
Moynihan (D-NY)
Pell (D-RI)
Robb (D-VA)
Simon (D-IL)
Wyden (D-OR)

Of the above list, I can only identify 4 that I know are Jewish. So, there were more Jewish Senators who voted for defending marriage, including: Lieberman, Levin, Lautenberg, Specter, and Kohl.

At least 2 of the Senators who voted against defending marriage are known Catholics (Kerry and Kennedy) and the rest identify with another christian faith.

By the way, there IS just ONE Senator that has a record of voting against anything related to Israel - Senator Robert Byrd. He's an interesting Democrat, to say the least. He was not only the most vocal opponent of the war, but also was one of the few Democrats who voted for the Marriage Amendment. Byrd also joined the most conservative senators in voting against a huge increase that Bush requested for AIDS relief in Africa.
HMMM, makes me wonder how the KKK feel about the former Klansman lately.
 
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Defensor Fidei said:
The slave ships were controlled by Jews (including marranos), not Catholics.

slaverychart.jpg

Spain was/is certainly a Catholic nation and the slave trade operating from spain was conducted by Spanish Nobility which was Catholic. Man, this is like 5th grade world history.
 
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BourbonFromHeaven said:
If we Jews had a tenth of the Power, people claimed we did, we could control the weather.

Well im sure some people believe that too. The cold truth is, there are people who's stupidity can reach such volume it'll never cease to amaze you. As this thread has shown me. Racists in particular are the way they are not because they are intelligent people who can rationalize logic and understanding--but because they are ignorant, foolish beings who cling to falsehoods and are too stubborn to see the truth outside their invented reality.

Luckly for everyone else outside the racists group, their stupidity isnt contagious and most people will see it for what it is. Nonsense being spewed by a foolish person.

We can do one of two things. Point and laugh, or shake our heads in shame at the lowest of the lows mankind can offer. :D
 
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BourbonFromHeaven said:
If we Jews had a tenth of the Power, people claimed we did, we could control the weather.
And Elijah the Tishbite, of the inhabitants of Gilead, said to Ahab, “As the LORD God of Israel lives, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, except at my word.”

haha but I understand your point and agree.
 
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