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Well present us with factsWhat can I say, people like ignoring the facts.
provide us all with actual evidence showing that homosexuality is a choice
we are all waiting
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Well present us with factsWhat can I say, people like ignoring the facts.
This passage does not indicate that He creates homosexuals. Sorry, Charlie.
Not incompatible with the traditional Christian teaching. Homosexuality is definitely straying from the normal path, and it is said with such condemnation in that passage.
You posed an opinion and an op-ed from the Daily Nebraskan.
The morality of homosexual thoughts and actions is all about how you behave.
This passage does not indicate that He creates homosexuals. Sorry, Charlie.
A "eunuch of the sun" does not indicate homosexuality. This refers to asexuality.But Jesus does specifically say that they are born that way "from their mother's womb."
Any examination of the use of the Hebrew word "saris" (and its Aramaic cognate) will show that it was used of two totally different groups of men. One is correctly translated eunuch, and refers to someone whose "stones are crushed or privy member cut off." The other is translated eunuch in this passage, but refers to someone who is somewhat effeminate, has no interest whatsoever in sex with women, and who, in the popular stereotype of the day, was fond of seducing comely young men. These are the "eunuchs" that Jesus says are born that way.
When did Paul say that gay sex, either between two males or two females was OK? He never did.The fitting punishment is the addiction. Both Plato and Paul agree on that. One does not usually become addicted to gay sex unless one overindulges, And the same type of overindulgence leads to addiction to straight sex, alcoholism, addiction to gambling, tobacco, or almost anything which in moderation is either morally neutral or a "minor vice." The "monkey on one's back" is the "punishment." ("Consequences" would probably be a better translation.)
Paul, when he borrowed this example from Plato, went out of his way to separate the sin being discussed (over-indulgence and addiction) from the trappings of the example (male mating with male and female mating with female). It is your woeful ignorance of the classics of Greek philosophy which Paul often quoted, combined with only knowing this verse through biased translations in English which make all of that re-writing that Paul indulged in to make sure his point was clear to no avail.
What the Bible condemns is homosexual behavior, and it does so very clearly. It does not condemn people for being tempted in any direction.No. Sexual orientation is a way of describing who a person is likely to be romantically and physically attracted to. A heterosexual is likely to be attracted to people of the opposite gender to him/herself; a homosexual is likely to be attracted to people of the same gender as him/herself; a bisexual is likely to be attracted to people of either gender; and an asexual person isn't attracted to other people physically/romantically.
It's about attraction. Not behaviour.
David.
He doesn't create them to be homosexual any more than He created me to be short-tempered. Regardless of my genetic makeup, I am accountable for my attitude and behavior. Homosexuals don't get a break.Actually, God creates everybody. Everybody includes homosexuals.
David.
Oh yeah the Spitzer study.
First off you are aware that this study failed its peer review correct?
Jesus never said he would lead anyone away from their inborn sexual orientation. And you can't believe us, and go on quoting Leviticus, yet I bet with 100% confidence you don't follow any other law in Leviticus such as not wearing mixed fabrics. Jesus' command to love one another supercedes any Leviticus law.I can not believe some of you guys. Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." Now, how do you push this aside and it is written in the bible which is GODS word which is true. More....ok
Romans 1:26-27
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their woman did change the natural use into that which is against nature.
And like wise the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another: men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Dont tell me all this crap about trranslation. Homosexuality is an abomination. Thats it....nothing else can be said.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (NIV).
God did NOT, create homosexuals. He created man in his own image......think about it. You are born and you choose your path. This is one of the NON grey areas of the bible. But people slap their arguments on it about translation and all that jazz. If you truly know jesus and trust in him he will lead you away from Homosexuality.
Fact. Because Jesus said so.
An opinion remains an opinion and an op-ed piece form a newspaper remains an op-ed piece.Did you read the experts cited, who have seen the data and in some cases, have contributed data?
Do you follow all the laws of Leviticus?I can not believe some of you guys. Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." Now, how do you push this aside and it is written in the bible which is GODS word which is true.
More....ok
Romans 1:26-27
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their woman did change the natural use into that which is against nature.
And like wise the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another: men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Dont tell me all this crap about trranslation. Homosexuality is an abomination. Thats it....nothing else can be said.
translation issues are again at the forefront, here the problem is with the Greek word arsenokoites. It is a compound word that was rarely used in the time Paul wrote.1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (NIV).
eviodence?God did NOT, create homosexuals.
What choice are you talking about?He created man in his own image......think about it. You are born and you choose your path.
This is one of the NON grey areas of the bible. But people slap their arguments on it about translation and all that jazz. If you truly know jesus and trust in him he will lead you away from Homosexuality.
Fact. Because Jesus said so.
Spitzer published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 32, 2003, the journal he edits with the notation that it did not pass peer review despite numerous submissions. He prefaced the inclusion of his study with the notice that it was being presented based on specific requests from the scientific community. He went further to include fifty pages of notes from the peer review detailing the many flaws of his studyFailed its peer review?? How did the study fail its peer review? Spitzer's study was peer reviewed and published.
Did you read the experts cited, who have seen the data and in some cases, have contributed data?
Spitzer published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 32, 2003, the journal he edits with the notation that it did not pass peer review despite numerous submissions. He prefaced the inclusion of his study with the notice that it was being presented based on specific requests from the scientific community. He went further to include fifty pages of notes from the peer review detailing the many flaws of his study
What the Bible condemns is homosexual behavior, and it does so very clearly.
He doesn't create them to be homosexual any more than He created me to be short-tempered.
Regardless of my genetic makeup, I am accountable for my attitude and behavior. Homosexuals don't get a break.