Evolutionary debate

[Pete Harcoff]

I am of the mind-set that anyone can question evolutionary theory for any reason, and should be able to do so without having to suffer charges or being this, that, or the other equally vile thing.

I concur. However, the problem is the fact that for so long you have creationists launching baseless attacks against science solely on the grounds it violates their precious religious beliefs. Hence, the "evolutionist" side has become a bit defensive about the whole thing.

Other disciplines face the same thing (particularly physics), but the issues tend to be less politicized.

 

[TerranceL]

Evidence? Most creationists i know are Ph.D. level.

List them please.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

List them please.

Parody poster guys. C'mon now...

 

[DaisyDay]

I don't "believe" in evolution, but I accept that it is the best explanation of the facts.

 

[Asycthian]

List them please.

• Earl M.J. Aagaard Ph.D. Biology
• Gary L. Achtemeier Ph.D. Meteorology
• E. Theo Agard Ph.D. Physics
• Jim Allan Ph.D. Genetics
• Mark Armitage M.S. Biology
• Russell Arndts Ph.D Chemistry
• Chris Ashcraft M.S. Biology, M.Ed
• Steven Austin Ph.D. Geology
• Geoff Barnard Ph.D
• Don Batten Ph.D Agronomy and Horticultural Science
• John Baumgardner Ph.D. Geophysics and Space Physics
• Michael Behe Ph.D. Biochemistry
• Philip Bell Zoologist
• David Bergman M.S. Electrical Engineering
• Jerry Bergman Ph.D. Biology
• Guy Berthault
• Kimberly Berrine Ph.D. Microbiology and Immunology
• Vladimir Betina
• Raymond Bohlin Ph.D. Biology
• Andrew Bosanquet
• Edward Boudreaux Ph.D. Chemistry
• Gerardus Bouw Ph.D Astronomy
• Walter Bradley Ph.D. Materials Science
• Patrick Briney Ph.D. Microbiology
• Walt Brown Ph.D. Mechanical Engineering
• Nancy Bryson Ph.D. Chemistry
• John Byl Ph.D. in Astronomy
• Linn Carothers
• Robert Carter PhD in Marine Biology
• David Catchpoole Ph.D. in Plant Physiology
• Art Chadwick Ph.D. Biology
• Eugene Chaffin Ph.D. Theoretical Physics
• Choong-Kuk Chang
• Donald Chittick Ph.D. Physical Chemistry
• John Cimbala Ph.D. Aeronautics
• Kenneth Cumming Ph.D. Biology
• Harold Coffin Ph.D.
• Bob Compton Ph.D. Physiology
• Jack Cuozzo D.D.S.
• Daniel Criswell Ph.D. Molecular Biology
• William Curtis M.S. Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics, Th.D.
• Malcolm Cutchins
• Lionel Dahmer
• Raymond Damadian M.D.
• Chris Darnbrough
• Nancy Darrall Ph.D. Botany
• Bolton Davidheiser Ph.D. Zoology (genetics)
• Percival Davis M.A. Zoology
• Bryan Dawson Ph.D. Mathematics
• Douglas Dean
• Stephen Deckard M.S. Biology, Ph.D. Christian Education
• Richard Deem M.S. Microbiology
• William Dembski Ph.D. Mathematics
• David DeWitt Ph.D Nueroscience
• Donald DeYoung Ph.D. Physics
• Geoff Downes Plant Physiologist
• Ted Driggers Ph.D. Operations Research
• Robert Eckel M.D.
• André Eggen Ph.D. Animal and Molecular Genetics
• Martin Ehde Ph.D. Mathematics
• Dennis Englin M.Sc., Ed.D.
• Raul Esperante-Caamano
• Danny Faulkner Ph.D. Astronomy
• Dennis Flanders M.S. Information Science, Ph.D. Christian Ed.
• Carl Fliermans Ph.D. Biology
• Dwain Ford Ph.D. Chemistry
• Wayne Frair Ph.D. Biology
• Robert Franks M.D.
• Alan Galbraith Ph.D. Watershed Science
• Robert Gentry Ph.D. Nuclear Physics
• Paul Giem M.D.
• Maciej Giertych Ph.D. Genetics
• Duane Gish Ph.D. Biochemistry
• Werner Gitt Doctorate in engineering
• Guillermo Gonzales Ph.D. in Astronomy
• D.B. Gower Ph.D. Biochemistry
• Russell Grigg M.Sc. in Chemistry
• Dianne Grocott MBBS.
• Stephen Grocott Ph.D. Organometallic Chemistry
• Donald Hamann
• Charles Harrison
• John Hartnett Ph.D. Physics
• Mark Harwood Ph.D.
• George Hawke Ph.D. Air Pollution Meteorology
• Alan Hayward
• Margaret Helder Ph.D. Botany
• Tom Hennigan M.P.S. Environmental and Forest Biology
• Harold Henry
• Jonathan Henry
• Joseph Henson
• Robert Herrmann Ph.D. Mathematics
• Andrew Hodge M.B., B.S., FRACS
• Bodie Hodge MS Mechanical Engineering
• Bill Hoesch MS Geology
• Kelly Hollowell Ph.D. Molecular and Cellular Pharmacology
• Ed Holroyd Ph.D. Atmospheric Science
• Bob Hosken Ph.D. Biochemistry
• George Howe Ph.D. Botany
• Neil Huber Physical Anthropologist
• James Huggins Ph.D. Biology
• Russell Humphreys Ph.D. Physics
• Cornelius G. Hunter Ph.D. Biophysics
• Max Hunter
• Andrey A. Ivanov Ph.D. Physics
• Karen E. Jensen Ph.D. Biology
• Pierre Gunnar Jerlström Ph.D. Molecular Biology
• James J. Scofield Johnson
• John Johnson Ph.D. Applied Mathematics
• Lance B. Johnson O.D.
• Robert Bowie Johnson A.A.D. General Science
• Renard Lee David Jolly M.S. Biology
• Arthur Jones Ph.D. Biology
• Jonathan Jones
• Stephen E. Jones B.S. Health Administration
• Ross Jones PhD Linguistics
• Taylor B. Jones PhD Chemistry
• Trevor Major M.Sc., M.A.
• John Marcus Ph.D. Biochemistry
• George Marshall Ph.D. Ophthalmic Science
• Jobe Martin Th.M., D.M.D.
• Joseph Mastropaolo Ph.D. Kinesiology
• Ralph Matthews Ph.D. Radiation Chemistry
• John McEwan Ph.D.
• Andy McIntosh Ph.D. Aerodynamics
• David Menton Ph.D. Biology
• Angela Meyer Ph.D. Horticultural Science
• John Meyer Ph.D. Zoology
• Keith Wanser Ph.D. Physics
• Jonathan Wells Ph.D. Biology
• Monty White Ph.D. in Gas Kinetics
• John Whitmore
• Carl Wieland M.D.
• Clifford Wilson M.A. archaeology (Ph.D. Psycholinguistics)
• Jay Wile Ph.D. Nuclear Chemistry
• Kurt Wise Ph.D. Geology
• Bryant Wood
• Todd Wood Ph.D. Biochemistry/Genomics
• R. L. Wysong D.V.M
• Henry Zuill Ph.D. Biology

 

[USincognito]

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  Awesome. Every one of those links to a non-existant CF profile. Man you're good.

 

[sfs]

Awesome. Every one of those links to a non-existant CF profile. Man you're good.

But he seems to have gotten bored, since he skipped from M to W.

 

[Meshach]

But he seems to have gotten bored, since he skipped from M to W.

I did however take the time to google a number of the names and the ones I googled all came up Christians,

 

[USincognito]

I did however take the time to google a number of the names and the ones I googled all came up Christians,

He got it from a Creationist boilerplate list. I don't recognize all the names, but the ones I do are all Creationists or affiliated with Creationist organizations.

Steve Austin - ICR
Don Batten - IIRC the MIOS in D-FW
John Baumgardener - AiG
Michael Behe - DI
Walt Brown - has his own group I think
Bill Dembski - DI
Duane Gish - ICR
Guillermo Gonzales - Cause Celebre
Russell Humphreys - ICR or AiG.
etc. etc.

 

[TerranceL]

The fun thing is the majority of the list are people who have degrees in something other than biology.

When you want to know about evolution you can go to the guy with the degree in gas kinetics. I'll go with the biologist.

• Gary L. Achtemeier Ph.D. Meteorology
• E. Theo Agard Ph.D. Physics
• Jim Allan Ph.D. Genetics
• Russell Arndts Ph.D Chemistry
• Steven Austin Ph.D. Geology
• Geoff Barnard Ph.D
• Don Batten Ph.D Agronomy and Horticultural Science
• John Baumgardner Ph.D. Geophysics and Space Physics
• Philip Bell Zoologist
• David Bergman M.S. Electrical Engineering
• Guy Berthault
• Kimberly Berrine Ph.D. Microbiology and Immunology
• Vladimir Betina
• Andrew Bosanquet
• Edward Boudreaux Ph.D. Chemistry
• Gerardus Bouw Ph.D Astronomy
• Walter Bradley Ph.D. Materials Science
• Walt Brown Ph.D. Mechanical Engineering
• Nancy Bryson Ph.D. Chemistry
• John Byl Ph.D. in Astronomy
• Linn Carothers
• David Catchpoole Ph.D. in Plant Physiology
• Eugene Chaffin Ph.D. Theoretical Physics
• Choong-Kuk Chang
• Donald Chittick Ph.D. Physical Chemistry
• John Cimbala Ph.D. Aeronautics
• Harold Coffin Ph.D.
• Bob Compton Ph.D. Physiology
• Jack Cuozzo D.D.S.
• William Curtis M.S. Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics, Th.D.
• Malcolm Cutchins
• Lionel Dahmer
• Raymond Damadian M.D.
• Chris Darnbrough
• Nancy Darrall Ph.D. Botany
• Percival Davis M.A. Zoology
• Bryan Dawson Ph.D. Mathematics
• Douglas Dean
• William Dembski Ph.D. Mathematics
• David DeWitt Ph.D Nueroscience
• Donald DeYoung Ph.D. Physics
• Geoff Downes Plant Physiologist
• Ted Driggers Ph.D. Operations Research
• Robert Eckel M.D.
• Martin Ehde Ph.D. Mathematics
• Dennis Englin M.Sc., Ed.D.
• Raul Esperante-Caamano
• Danny Faulkner Ph.D. Astronomy
• Dennis Flanders M.S. Information Science, Ph.D. Christian Ed.
• Dwain Ford Ph.D. Chemistry
• Robert Franks M.D.
• Alan Galbraith Ph.D. Watershed Science
• Robert Gentry Ph.D. Nuclear Physics
• Paul Giem M.D.
• Werner Gitt Doctorate in engineering
• Guillermo Gonzales Ph.D. in Astronomy
• Russell Grigg M.Sc. in Chemistry
• Dianne Grocott MBBS.
• Stephen Grocott Ph.D. Organometallic Chemistry
• Donald Hamann
• Charles Harrison
• John Hartnett Ph.D. Physics
• Mark Harwood Ph.D.
• George Hawke Ph.D. Air Pollution Meteorology
• Alan Hayward
• Margaret Helder Ph.D. Botany
• Tom Hennigan M.P.S. Environmental and Forest Biology
• Harold Henry
• Jonathan Henry
• Joseph Henson
• Robert Herrmann Ph.D. Mathematics
• Andrew Hodge M.B., B.S., FRACS
• Bodie Hodge MS Mechanical Engineering
• Bill Hoesch MS Geology
• Kelly Hollowell Ph.D. Molecular and Cellular Pharmacology
• Ed Holroyd Ph.D. Atmospheric Science
• George Howe Ph.D. Botany
• Neil Huber Physical Anthropologist
• Russell Humphreys Ph.D. Physics
• Cornelius G. Hunter Ph.D. Biophysics
• Max Hunter
• Andrey A. Ivanov Ph.D. Physics
• James J. Scofield Johnson
• John Johnson Ph.D. Applied Mathematics
• Lance B. Johnson O.D.
• Robert Bowie Johnson A.A.D. General Science
• Jonathan Jones
• Stephen E. Jones B.S. Health Administration
• Ross Jones PhD Linguistics
• Taylor B. Jones PhD Chemistry
• Trevor Major M.Sc., M.A.
• George Marshall Ph.D. Ophthalmic Science
• Jobe Martin Th.M., D.M.D.
• Joseph Mastropaolo Ph.D. Kinesiology
• Ralph Matthews Ph.D. Radiation Chemistry
• John McEwan Ph.D.
• Andy McIntosh Ph.D. Aerodynamics
• Angela Meyer Ph.D. Horticultural Science
• John Meyer Ph.D. Zoology
• Keith Wanser Ph.D. Physics
• Monty White Ph.D. in Gas Kinetics
• John Whitmore
• Carl Wieland M.D.
• Clifford Wilson M.A. archaeology (Ph.D. Psycholinguistics)
• Jay Wile Ph.D. Nuclear Chemistry
• Kurt Wise Ph.D. Geology

Interesting, so these are people you know? Where did you meet them?

 

[Ellinas]

Interesting, so these are people you know? Where did you meet them?

Yes do tell us since your links lead to nowhere?
Asycthian is being dishonest now!

 

[mpok1519]

Relatively ninetynine point eight percent of the scientific community believes in evolution. And I've never met a YEC paleontologists before, even though I'm sure at least two or three exist.

 

[Asycthian]

The fun thing is the majority of the list are people who have degrees in something other than biology.

Some other evolutionist asked for YEC's who had PhD, then i listed them, but they are not good enough?

You atheists/evolutionists can never accept when you are wrong can you. Such ignorance.

When you want to know about evolution you can go to the guy with the degree in gas kinetics. I'll go with the biologist.

And i listed numerous YEC's with PhD biology.

Interesting, so these are people you know? Where did you meet them?

These are authors of creationist articles. I;ve encountered most of their work before, since i've been reading their scientific contributions for several years now.

 

[Asycthian]

Yes do tell us since your links lead to nowhere?
Asycthian is being dishonest now!

Someone asked for YEC's who hold PhD qualifcations. I provided a list of many.

Looks like i've proved you atheists/evolutionists wrong, knowing this, all you can resort to is personal attacks.

You guys get boring, since you repeat this, when you lose in every debate.

 

[mpok1519]

But only about one and a half percent of the sientific community believes yec, and those few are pariahs and noncredible aources of information within the scientific community. I'll stick with what the 98.5% of the scientific community believes, which is evolution is real, and the earth is billions, not thousands of years old.

It is intellectually dishonest to try and teach yec or creationism as fact bc there is no cohesive credible information or evidence to support yec, as all support is usually invalidated by the process of the scientific method.

 

[Ellinas]

Someone asked for YEC's who hold PhD qualifcations. I provided a list of many.

Looks like i've proved you atheists/evolutionists wrong, knowing this, all you can resort to is personal attacks.

You guys get boring, since you repeat this, when you lose in every debate.

Well since your links lead to nowhere then I may as well give you a list of names thousands of pages long!

Stop making things up!

Either give us evidence or stop calling us ignorant! The Bible does not constitute as evidence and neither does here say!

Empirical evidence please

 

[Pocktio]

Ascythian can you link to some published works of those people? I somehow doubt we'll be seeing many credited reports but I'm intrigued to see what kind of investigations they've done and how they've gone about interpreting what they've collected.

These people may exist but it's what they've contributed to the scientific community which should be focused on in this debate.

 

[sfs]

Some other evolutionist asked for YEC's who had PhD, then i listed them, but they are not good enough?

Creationists, yes. YECs, no. At least some of the people on that list accept an old earth.

 

[Asycthian]

Ascythian can you link to some published works of those people? I somehow doubt we'll be seeing many credited reports but I'm intrigued to see what kind of investigations they've done and how they've gone about interpreting what they've collected.

These people may exist but it's what they've contributed to the scientific community which should be focused on in this debate.

And what exactly have evolutionists ever contributed to anything?

All the theory of evolution has done is promote poor morality, promoted abortion, homosexuality (and other bad acts) and gave rise to bad ideologies such as Liberalism, Socialism, Communism and Nazism.

 

[Cabal]

And what exactly have evolutionists ever contributed to anything?

All the theory of evolution has done is promote poor morality, promoted abortion, homosexuality (and other bad acts) and gave rise to bad ideologies such as Liberalism, Socialism, Communism and Nazism.

Rubbish. Take your hatred and your trolling elsewhere.