Does God Honor Man's "Free Will"?

[jimmyjimmy]

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[EmSw]

A loving parent who saved them both without their asking for their permission. . .

Isn't it your belief a man isn't a son of God before being saved? Or, is God your loving parent before salvation?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Yes, he and he alone. I will also vote for Hil-lair-y for prison in 2016. lol.

Christians are supposed to pray and do good towards even their enemies. So it does not seem consistent to me that you should wish any bad to come upon someone like this.


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[Bible Highlighter]

Yes, brother I am born of God, Jesus Christ is my/our Lord and Saviour. If you will notice in 1 John 4:7 every one that loves is born of God, brother. And every one loves

Isn't loving a work?


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[Bible Highlighter]

"For the wages of sin is death". Yes for all have sinned; and were all dead and that he died for all.

When Christ died for everyone's sins (except for those who worship the Beast during the End Times), He did so as to offer the free gift to a person. But a person has to receive God's gift and be responsible with this gift thru faith in order to be saved. This gift is Jesus Christ (2 Corinthians 9:15) (John 3:16). In other words, if Christ did not come to save us, then we would all be dead spiritually and without hope.

Now, before you bring up a verse like Romans 3:23, you have to understand that if you are to believe that "all are sinners" is also talking about faithful followers of Jesus Christ, then you must also conclude that Romans 3:11 is saying that believers have no understanding and do not seek after God, too. Surely you do not believe that, do you?

Perhaps if you read the OT reference in Psalms 14 it might help you to understand what is actually being said there. Well, that is if you are open to what the Word of God truly says (Instead of what you prefer it to say).


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[Thursday]

If God truly honored man's free will, why didn't He just leave Adam and Eve to their choice of death and disobedience?

He does honor man's free will.

2 Chron 15:2
If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will forsake you.

Eze 18:23
23"Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked," declares the Lord GOD,"rather than that he should turn from his ways and live? 24"But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die.

Gal 6
7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

 

[DingDing]

A loving parent who saved them both without their asking for their permission. . .

Actually, He only provides a way of restoration (He does not force it upon them). It is still the ultimate choice of humans to participate in the restoration.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

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[DingDing]

Did He force Adam and Eve?

If Jesus came only to "provide a way" no one would take it. No one seeks after God.

Here's what Jesus said: "I came to SEEK and save the lost."

You don't understand the scriptures you quote.

 

[EmSw]

Did He force Adam and Eve?

If Jesus came only to "provide a way" no one would take it. No one seeks after God.

Here's what Jesus said: "I came to SEEK and save the lost."

I would take it! And yes, I do seek after God! Do you have a problem with that?

 

[Job8]

If Jesus came only to "provide a way" no one would take it. No one seeks after God. Here's what Jesus said: "I came to SEEK and save the lost."

And how the Lord Jesus Christ does this is through (1) the preaching of the Gospel, which is the power of God unto salvation and (2) the convicting and convincing of the Holy Spirit which brings sinners to repentance and faith. Christ said that He would draw ALL MEN unto Himself, but every sinner must repent and believe the Gospel.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

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[jimmyjimmy]

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[DingDing]

That's not an argument, but a failure to make one.

Okay, fair enough. You discuss why you think the two scriptures you alluded to prove your point, and then I'll make a counter argument.

 

[DingDing]

Firstly, you do understand that billions of people have lived and dies without ever hearing the gospel, right? ...

Okay, so can you expound on what you said here, and what is the impact you think it carries?

 

[sdowney717]

Okay, so can you expound on what you said here, and what is the impact you think it carries?

God is not concerned about the salvation of those He KNOWS will never repent.
God is only concerned about the salvation of those whom HE HAS FOREKNOWN.
Christ came and died for the lost sheep, who are all of the house of Israel, whose house you are if your born of God according to the promise God made to Abraham that he would have a son. So then your Abraham's seed and an heir according to God's promise.

Galatians 3
Sons and Heirs
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

When Peter wrote to the beloved elect of God, he wrote about the hell fire destiny of ungodly men, those not born of God, versus the beloved elect whom HE foreknew in love as His people beforehand, of whom He is not willing that any should perish, but all of them come to repentance.

AGAIN, there is the word used 'His promise' which He made to Abraham, that there would be children like according to Abraham, justified by faith in Christ. This is a promise made only to the beloved elect, who are NOT natural born men, but they are supernaturally born of God so that they do enter the kingdom of God.

2 Peter 3
7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

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[EmSw]

Just as God covers His own in Egypt, by the blood os a lamb, He covers His own by the blood of The Lamb. Those not in Him will perish.

God didn't cover anybody by the blood in Egypt. The door mantles were covered, and each person had to DO this himself. Those who DID this did not perish.

 

[bling]

Just as God covers His own in Egypt, by the blood of a lamb, He covers His own by the blood of The Lamb. Those not in Him will perish.

Help me out here:

You believe prior to God’s selection, there is no difference between those He elects and those He does not elect?

Do you believe God has the Power to elect every person that has lived?

Do you believe God’s Love for those He created is great enough to save everyone or is it too weak to save everyone?

If God could just as easily save all humans as He could save just some humans, does that not make God out to be a monster by not saving all humans?

This “problem” can easily be resolved by the fact God wants all humans to accept His Charity, but not all humans are willing to humbly accept pure charity from a giver that has paid a huge personal price to provide that Charity.

All mature adults are spiraling down into the pigsty of life. Most seem to be macho enough to be willing to take the punishment they fully deserve and pay the piper for the past transgressions and there are those not wanting to disturb their Heavenly Father even more by going to him for help they totally do not deserve. There is a group who on their own in a “dead state” (dead as Jesus defines it) come to their senses (like the prodigal son) and wimps out, selfishly wanting just some kind of a life and do turn to the Father willing to accept even undeserved pure charity. The fact that they just turns allows the Father to shower them with gifts and forgive them of their huge debt so, since “…he that is forgiven much Loves much…” they automatically end up with Godly type Love.

 

[bling]

God is not concerned about the salvation of those He KNOWS will never repent.
God is only concerned about the salvation of those whom HE HAS FOREKNOWN.

Wow! We are to be extremely “concerned” to the point to sacrificial unconditional Loving those that are not going to repent, but God has no concern for them?

Is my Love greater than God’s Love, since I am concerned about everyone in this world?

Since there is no difference in the actions of those that are the elect and those not elected prior to being elected why the incontinency on God’s part?