Yes Jesus is not Yahweh of the old testament. I dont want to go off topic on this thread so if you would rather continue this conversation, you can pm me
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Yes Jesus is not Yahweh of the old testament. I dont want to go off topic on this thread so if you would rather continue this conversation, you can pm me
Had a Baptist pastor stop by the apartment today. I guess he was making the rounds. He started questioning me on how I was saved, and made a big deal about me becoming Lutheran. He then asked if I wanted to listen to their radio station and I politely declined and then he proceeded to tell me that we will all stand in front of God on judgement day. He left when I mentioned that I do not read from the King James Bible (He had a look of disgust at that point).
To me it sounded like he was trying to get me to leave the Lutheran church without actually coming right out and saying it.
So are Baptists like Catholics in that they feel they are the one true religion and all must become Baptist to be saved?
One of the reasons that I truly love being a Lutheran is that I have yet to hear any Lutheran claim that Lutheranism is the one true religion and anyone else will not be saved.
*Note I am not trying to get anyone to leave the Baptist faith or denounce the Baptist faith. I Am just curious if this is a regular thing?
I suggest you read the New Testament, particularly the 4 main gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, Acts as well. Before you start to read, pray for the Holy Spirit to speak the truth to your heart and for the Holy Spirit to guide you in all areas of your life. The Holy Spirit never lies, there is no confusion when the comforter teaches you this way and you will grow in your relationship with God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. I have been in the Lutheran, Baptist and Methodist churches plus others and they all believe they're right. The bible is Gods word, it's the only book I will read. Sadly the mainline churches do not follow all the teachings of the Holy Spirit. I was so confused with all these different churches and their beliefs, I ended up praying to God the Father for the real truth, I am not taught by any Minister of God, I lost trust in them and their true motives. For many years now I have been lead through Gods Spirit, I have grown in understanding, Gods love, Gods forgiveness and my Faith is built in name of Jesus Christ, that is the only body I will respond too, it's the only one I can trust. My life has been transformed, every time I hear the song Amazing Grace, I remember how Gods grace and mercy has restored my life.Had a Baptist pastor stop by the apartment today. I guess he was making the rounds. He started questioning me on how I was saved, and made a big deal about me becoming Lutheran. He then asked if I wanted to listen to their radio station and I politely declined and then he proceeded to tell me that we will all stand in front of God on judgement day. He left when I mentioned that I do not read from the King James Bible (He had a look of disgust at that point).
To me it sounded like he was trying to get me to leave the Lutheran church without actually coming right out and saying it.
So are Baptists like Catholics in that they feel they are the one true religion and all must become Baptist to be saved?
One of the reasons that I truly love being a Lutheran is that I have yet to hear any Lutheran claim that Lutheranism is the one true religion and anyone else will not be saved.
*Note I am not trying to get anyone to leave the Baptist faith or denounce the Baptist faith. I Am just curious if this is a regular thing?
Now that's almost news to me. I have read (I thought it historical only) that there was a line of belief which declared baptists to have a continuous existence back to the time of the first Christians. I did not know it was still held by some, rather than the Baptists having arisen out of Holland and England at the time of the reformation, very much from the protestant side of that great argument and division.
I have certainly met Baptist individuals and congregations who believe that they alone are real, true, saved Christians. But then I have met more than one group of believers who firmly maintain that anyone who does not exclusively use the King James Bible is not a true Christian and does not have salvation.
I am a Baptist Pastor. With that said I should mention that first and foremost, I am a Christian. I choose Baptist because it is closest to that which I believe. We are not protestants which are those who rebelled against the Catholic Church such as Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists...
This is why the man seemed to be giving you the third degree. As Baptists (as other Christians also believe) we believe in going to the people and bringing the word. We use Jesus instructions to authenticate that. We also know that there are many who say they are Christians but when you start speaking with them, you realize they are not. This is particularly true of many of the mega churches.
You are a Christian if you are no longer separated from God. If you repented of that separation and asked for God to save you. It has to be a serious move on your part and not a bunch of words you repeat as some over zealous person tries to get one under his belt.
I was saved through a Presbyterian Church. Today, that is cause for alarm because so many of them have gone the way of the world. Pro homo, Women Pastors, Pro abortion...
When I was saved, they sent me to the Baptist Church to be baptized as they knew it was to be by immersion, not sprinkling. Now that is something that is arguable but not damning. If someone is truly saved and gets sprinkled and believes they are doing God's will, I have no problem with that as Baptism does not save anyone.
However there are things that should separate Christians from people who are not Christians. Example: If you worship Mary as the Catholics do, as co redemptive with Christ, you are not saved because it is by faith alone in Christ's work that you are saved.
Now here is why that Pastor was not sure about you. The Lutheran Church, although it broke away from Catholicism,it kept some of it's ways. Infant baptism for one. No matter how they cut it they are saying you are bringing your child into the family of God and it's some kind of bond and yes , they will have to be confirmed later on but this is what saves them while they are waiting.If you add to the gift of God by saying Mary, or Baptism can save you, you missed the truth and the truth is not in you. Here is another: Lutherans believe in Consubstantiation. In other words, there is some mystical power in the Lord's supper (they, like the Catholics call it communion) and it has a mysterious action when taken. No, It is a memorial service to remember what Christ did for us and although it should be serious and somber, there will be no added apparitions or added theatrics to the service.
There are others who claim Christ by saying, "I am born again" and upon asking them how they became born again they reply that they attend a Born again Church. This is also a non believer's conception of truth.
It seems to me that most denominations have things which are not true. Someone posted that some Baptist Church made their own wine. WHA???? Some will tell you that drinking is a sin when it is only drunkenness that is a sin. One guy said the word Baptist was used so that means everyone needs to be a Baptist. There must be a book of stupid ideas out there.
Let me close by saying this. If you are upset that this guy pressed you about your salvation, I would say that you might not be saved. I know as a Christian, I always enjoy someone making sure that I am saved if they approach me to give me the word. It means they are doing what Jesus told them and they are my brother or sister. No need to be offended.
Finally, are you spreading the Gospel, going to Church when the doors are open and have fellowship with Christians?
Hum...Sounds like this Baptist Pastor has some real issues to work out. Even within the Baptist faith there are many, many divisions in their faith. Which does He follow? Let's see now there's the "First Baptist Church" , "Faith Baptist", "Reformed Baptist" and so on and so on and so on.... it's endless now in most any denomination! Which is right? I recently read an article by a famous Baptist preacher who insisted we should take the ENTIRE Word of God literally, yet he denies a huge percent of it, stating it is not for today. Hum... How does one pick and choose what is or is not for today other than by human reasoning? The Word of God alone is perfect. What did Jesus mean when He said "Come Follow me"? Did His life not display and show the way to go, the truths to be followed and the life that is in Him"? Are we not to be conformed to His image"? Let's stick to the Bible, seek God and trust what He says and let's discern when someone, even if it's a Pastor does not have and is not acting out of the fruit of the Spirit, such as love, but rather displaying a "religious spirit". The Lord Our God says The Holy Spirit was sent to bring us into ALL truth.(John 16:13). It's simple. It is the Holy Spirit who can and does reveal the truth to us and we need Him, not the opinions of men, divisions of beliefs nor the prideful Spirit that wars against the Word of God.It's up to each one of us to dig deep into the Holy Bible Scriptures, trusting God, His Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ the living Word, the same yesterday, today, forever (Hebrews 13:8) to reveal truth. To the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen (Jude 1:25)Had a Baptist pastor stop by the apartment today. I guess he was making the rounds. He started questioning me on how I was saved, and made a big deal about me becoming Lutheran. He then asked if I wanted to listen to their radio station and I politely declined and then he proceeded to tell me that we will all stand in front of God on judgement day. He left when I mentioned that I do not read from the King James Bible (He had a look of disgust at that point).
To me it sounded like he was trying to get me to leave the Lutheran church without actually coming right out and saying it.
So are Baptists like Catholics in that they feel they are the one true religion and all must become Baptist to be saved?
One of the reasons that I truly love being a Lutheran is that I have yet to hear any Lutheran claim that Lutheranism is the one true religion and anyone else will not be saved.
*Note I am not trying to get anyone to leave the Baptist faith or denounce the Baptist faith. I Am just curious if this is a regular thing?
What do you mean by "religion"? There is a difference between a religion and a relationship with Christ.
I attend an independent fundamental Baptist church myself. Why? Because they teach out of the only accurate English translation we have--the King James Bible.
Lutheranism is Catholicism Lite, and Catholicism is counterfeit Christianity. Christianity is NOT a religion, but rather a relationship with Christ. Religion is rites and rituals. Christianity is receiving the gift of eternal life. HUGE difference!
While they can be saved and taught great and deep truths from other versions it would be wise to search out why the KJV is preferred by many. There are whole chapters left out, names of Jesus and Satan confused, words like seed or midst changed removing the meaning and anointing of some verses. I defended all versions until I heard a comparison that proved the devil is slowly influencing scriptural translations. Wisdom is a tree of life for those who find her.I can say that there are those from our church that use the ESV and NIV and that makes them no less a Christian than the rest of us, yes it makes it a little more confusing when they read from their Bible when others of us are reading in the NKJV or KJV. But like I said that is our church. Maybe we are more accepting of people of different faiths and of those using different Bibles
While they can be saved and taught great and deep truths from other versions it would be wise to search out why the KJV is preferred by many. There are whole chapters left out, names of Jesus and Satan confused, words like seed or midst changed removing the meaning and anointing of some verses. I defended all versions until I heard a comparison that proved the devil is slowly influencing scriptural translations. Wisdom is a tree of life for those who find her.
So a person is either one of them or opposed to them?If Baptists is not your cup of tea, then you obviously are here with prejudice against Baptists.
I want to use you as an example, if you don't mind. I hope you take this in the spirit it is intended.Could not agree with you more on using the KJV as that is what we use in our youth programs that or the NKJV and I know this because I am the one who purchases the Bibles for these programs as well as the curriculum. It was the way I was raised and the Pastor agrees with me on this issue. The closer we get to the original the better off we are.